Was really hoping that one day a sidekick the size of the LX would come out with a OLED touchscreen or just a touch screen. I could use the touch screen for dialing and scrolling, etc. and then for typing emails and txt messages use the sidekick keyboard like it is used now. I guess this will never happen now, I was really waiting for it...
This is truly disheartening to me, as the Danger Sidekick Color was one of my first smartphone devices and also the phone I look back on as having the most enjoyable experiences with. When I made the move to WinMo phones for the open platform for 3rd party apps, I was disappointed for two reasons.
The first being that the platform itself was kind of shoddy. Lots of little quirks got to me, like programs not closing when I closed them, eventually causing the phone to become unstable. Additionally I always find myself having to soft reset my phone after I've been in a dead area for any lengthy period of time or else I stop getting messages (SMS/Voicemail). This was not limited to any one WinMo phone either.
Second of which was the lack of decent QWERTY phones. Most of them didn't feel right or natural.
I had always vowed to go back to the Sidekick one day. My dreams were quickly realized when I heard that Danger was bought by Microsoft. Finally, I might get to see my own Godphone realized. A Danger Sidekick hardware device with a modified version of WinMo designed especially for it.
I was excited to say the least. I had looked forward to seeing the imminent offspring of Microsoft and Danger. Now this news. This news is grim indeed. Now, not only will I not get my dream phone, but I will never see another new Sidekick again.
All hail Microsoft, the dream eater.
@Kayonesoft: God only knows why Microsoft, a pretty good enterprise software company, wants to be a consumer hardware electronics company (*and* a media company that sells music and movies, oy vey) so badly. It's down right bone-headed.
Microsoft's consumer OS business (ie. Windows) is worth billions and represents a significant portion of Microsoft's annual profits.
However, even the top heads at Microsoft have known for the better part of a decade now, that desktop computing is not the future of consumer level computing.
Look around you, between setop boxes, netbooks, smartphones, etc., the shift away from the desktop is already happening and at an alarming rate. All this before Cloud became a seriously viable option as well.
With the slow decimation of traditional desktop computing, Microsoft is ultimately looking at the complete erosion of their consumer level OS business - they have maybe a decade left before it all goes poof.
Modern business is all about profit and appeasing the all powerful share holders. You do not lose upwards to 70% of your revenue stream and get to remain a viable business. But over the next decade, this is exactly the scenario that is looking to play out for Microsoft, unless they do something.
Change. The only constant in the universe. Also, the only option for Microsoft. You can view this particular change at Microsoft in one of three ways.
1 - there are not too many (recession proof, even) industries which are even big enough to by itself, replace Microsoft's consumer level OS business outright. The nigh insatiable entertainment industry (games, music, films, television, etc.) is just such an industry. Over the next decade, should Microsoft gain a sizable enough toehold into the entertainment industry, gains from it would offset losses in an ever shrinking consumer OS industry - crisis averted.
2 - telecommunications is an even larger industry than entertainment. And with consumer level computing leaving the desktop for more mobile waters, it only makes sense to follow where the buffalo wherever they may roam and pursue the consumer into portable waters.
So once again, over the course of the next decade, should Microsoft get a sizable toehold in the telco/mobile devices industry, once again they are looking at an offset in future loses in the consumer OS side of their business.
3 - Even more interesting, is the fact that entertainment experiences are the "killer app" for the entire mobile computing/mobile telco industry. Let's face facts, what would an iPhone be without the ability to sync with iTunes, play music, videos and games? It'd be a pretty shitty experience that no one in their right mind in this day and age would play $200 for, subsidized or not. Why would we really need the speeds of 3G, 3.5G or 4G networks were it for the entertainment these networks allow to be piped to mobile devices?
Why get a toehold in one multi-billion industry, when you could get a toehold in two. Two industries as fortune would have it, which are linked like conjoined twins. Even should Microsoft fail to get a proper toehold into one, if they still managed to succeed at getting a toehold into the other, they still wind up getting a toehold into both by default.
In short, the answer to your question is foresight and the necessity that this foresight brings with it. There is little doubt that Microsoft's enterprise divisions are in any immediate danger of going the way of the dodo. However, their entire consumer OS division is maybe a decade from going belly up in the bottom of the toilet. The safer bet would be to continue to push deeper into enterprise solutions (which they are, believe it or not). However, the biggest payoffs are where mobile computing, telecommunications and entertainment overlap. And this is why we are not likely to see Microsoft (and for that matter, every other multi-national on the planet), walk away from trying to be the hot stepper at that party, anytime soon.
Compared to what they stand to win in the long run, the failure of Sidekick and Pink are less than a drop in the bucket. They'll learn more from this failure and later profit more from the knowledge they have gained, than they ever lost. Look at the situation with Rare (as someone pointed out above) as an example. They lost $350 million acquiring Rare. They made mistakes, and now Rare is a pale shadow of what they used to be. However, the hard lessons they learned from that clusterfuck, having now been applied, have yielded a turnaround for their games division, which has gone from over a billion in the hole, to turning a profit of over a billion a year.
This is probably a good thing for Microsoft. Investors in the company are likely feeling like they dodged a bullet; this Pink phone project looked like a huge money pit, a giant cash-sucking vortex the likes of which we haven't seen since Heaven's Gate helped bankrupt a movie studio.
@kernel panic: Total speculation, but their backup may have been a replica scheduled to sync daily (or something like that). Perhaps their master got corrupted, and they forgot to turn off the replication, which resulted in their replicate copying over all of the garbage to the only remaining good copy.
It's pretty sad when poor leadership causes the end of a much loved and oft derided gadget rather than a rapid change in technology or a fickle consumer population. Lets hope someone other than Starbucks picked up the extra talent.
I think the fact that the entire system crashed, losing all info on the phones forever, was what really doomed the sidekick. I just don't see any way for them to recover from that. I never really wanted a sidekick before, but now I wouldn't touch one with a 10 foot pole.
Why don't they just f'n make a Zune phone already !! The Zune HD interface is incredibly gorgeous and very intuitive - just add a phone to it. It would be a lot closer to an iphone competitor then dumb WinMo 7 will be !
@David Mascarenhas Watkins: Hey! I pointed this out already on the original article. Totally accurate.
But its a sure-fire guarantee that once I comment on a Motorola article that Ponies is going to make some crazy un-called for rude comment which I simply cannot understand. Something is up and I don't know what it is but, I don't like it when anyone treats me like shit AND commenters that have been around for a while normally stick together. And don't make troll-like comments at eachother. I could understand if I ripped on him on Gizmodo, but I never made a rude comment at him. Considering that I have significant work experience at Motorola and know their products very very well, I am well suited to make comments about what I believe to be Motorola's products, good or bad.
@LindsayJoy's MBP is into S+M: Comment drama isn't my thing, unless it's funny, which it sorta ain't. And you know Gizmodians like me that like to keep it in the lolosphere. . I dunno what the heck is going on on your end, but maybe we can try to be more serial/insightful/self-deprecating. Looking through your comment history, you've been fairly honest with your take on moto (mostly convincing me and likely many others that I was right to stay away from Moto #)$(#U%$)@!!ware). I didn't see any jumping up and down over the Cliq (unless bouncy video is included). As far as this whole stint goes, I don't wanna get into soap threads. You're right about vet comments sticking together (GSD would kill a million men in my honor - so he says). I understand your position would probably not be at liberty to dish everything, (though I'm sure Giz & others would love to have more insiders abound).
On a more general note, the only drama I want us vet commenters to have is funny drama, but comment friction is a lot like real friction. It can be good, when it's amusing, but right now, what you're referring to is decidedly unfun. If it doesn't make me laugh, it makes me itchy, and hungry, and I don't like being itchy and hungry. I prefer the heady days of popcicle summer camp threads where we myspace'd it up. We already have to deal with Gizmodo's ever changing comment system, that sends many older comments to commit suicide (poor iAirshirk whatever his name was). Anyways, us familiars should defend one another, and all that good stuff, against the ever growing onslaught of Trollus Noobus that infect the blogosphere from time to time. So c'mon my Giz chickadees, where's the love?
Oh Robert, stop giving me good bouncy ideas. Lets take this to the playground cause we are realllly gettin off topic!
Anyhoo, the "turtle" with the non-android interface ran P2K which was realllllllly craPPPaaaY. I tested it and it was no pleasure. And much bigger then it looks too.
@S-Express: Why does everything have to be an [insert product] killer? Sometimes products are created without any intention of gaining market dominance, but for targeting a certain demographic, something which can be highly profitable.
I agree the phone should die, but not everything should be seeking market dominance.
I suspect that this really is just a placeholder rendering based on some Moto design to keep the actual phone secret. If this ends up being the actual product, well then stick a fork in that fucker, cuz it'd be done.
I have to echo some of the other comments about the ZHD. Microsoft would be stupid to ignore that wonderful design for a phone. I mean, it's freaking perfect. It doesn't even need a slider (though maybe a "pro" or something can be made, like the HTC) The size and feel of the Zune HD is sublime, and would make a fantastic cell handset.
@CannedCorn: No, actually the Zune HD does not look like the iPhone. The Zune strikes me as more Sony X1-like than anything else, but clearly carries over design traits from the 2nd gen Zune, namely the black border around the display. Really, handle one in person and try to make the connection between it and the iPhone. Other than a big touch screen, the similarities stop there.
@Kaiser-Machead: Actually, I think Canned Corn is right. If the Zune HD didn't have just one freaking button on the front, exactly like the iPhone (I mean, come on, how many other phones have just one freaking button) then you could say they didn't copy Apple.
And more to the point, do you guys really think Microsoft would have put out a touch screen device if Apple hadn't already done it first? I mean, it's not like that haven't been into mobiles forever.
Yeah, yeah, I know, the ZuneHD is not rounded, but in every other aspect, it's just like the iPhone.
Well, considering the concepts didn't look too great in the first place, I'd say this would be a perfect opportunity to scrap Turtle & Pink and just make a phone out of the Zune HD.
@Mike Zuniga: That was Unexpected: I wholeheartedly agree. If the iPhone is arguably the best phone available, and the Zune HD is arguably the closest thing to the iPhone, it only makes sense for microsoft to make the Zune into a phone. I don't understand why they seem to be fighting it.
@Matt Chambers: I really don't care what idiot loyalists say, they're exactly that--idiots. I'm a bit of an Apple fanboy I guess but I want good competition and if Microsoft (or anyone else) comes out with a superior product thats only good news for Apple fans. Whether they are smart enough to understand it or not, it would only make Apple try harder to make their products better. A win for everyone.
@Matt Chambers: It won't make much of a difference, since Apple already has the iPod touch, so what's another piece of hardware to give it telephony capability?
I'd get a Zunephone. It wouldn't replace my iPod touch, but it'd certainly be one of the better smartphones out there. If it gets copy/paste out the door, I guess it wins. :D
I really want a zune phone and I would be using a zune if they had a mac client. Right now, I'm being stopped by the fact I have to find a copy of windows to install. And its hard to swallow an entire install of vista or xp just to run zune.
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The first being that the platform itself was kind of shoddy. Lots of little quirks got to me, like programs not closing when I closed them, eventually causing the phone to become unstable. Additionally I always find myself having to soft reset my phone after I've been in a dead area for any lengthy period of time or else I stop getting messages (SMS/Voicemail). This was not limited to any one WinMo phone either.
Second of which was the lack of decent QWERTY phones. Most of them didn't feel right or natural.
I had always vowed to go back to the Sidekick one day. My dreams were quickly realized when I heard that Danger was bought by Microsoft. Finally, I might get to see my own Godphone realized. A Danger Sidekick hardware device with a modified version of WinMo designed especially for it.
I was excited to say the least. I had looked forward to seeing the imminent offspring of Microsoft and Danger. Now this news. This news is grim indeed. Now, not only will I not get my dream phone, but I will never see another new Sidekick again.
All hail Microsoft, the dream eater.
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Microsoft's consumer OS business (ie. Windows) is worth billions and represents a significant portion of Microsoft's annual profits.
However, even the top heads at Microsoft have known for the better part of a decade now, that desktop computing is not the future of consumer level computing.
Look around you, between setop boxes, netbooks, smartphones, etc., the shift away from the desktop is already happening and at an alarming rate. All this before Cloud became a seriously viable option as well.
With the slow decimation of traditional desktop computing, Microsoft is ultimately looking at the complete erosion of their consumer level OS business - they have maybe a decade left before it all goes poof.
Modern business is all about profit and appeasing the all powerful share holders. You do not lose upwards to 70% of your revenue stream and get to remain a viable business. But over the next decade, this is exactly the scenario that is looking to play out for Microsoft, unless they do something.
Change. The only constant in the universe. Also, the only option for Microsoft. You can view this particular change at Microsoft in one of three ways.
1 - there are not too many (recession proof, even) industries which are even big enough to by itself, replace Microsoft's consumer level OS business outright. The nigh insatiable entertainment industry (games, music, films, television, etc.) is just such an industry. Over the next decade, should Microsoft gain a sizable enough toehold into the entertainment industry, gains from it would offset losses in an ever shrinking consumer OS industry - crisis averted.
2 - telecommunications is an even larger industry than entertainment. And with consumer level computing leaving the desktop for more mobile waters, it only makes sense to follow where the buffalo wherever they may roam and pursue the consumer into portable waters.
So once again, over the course of the next decade, should Microsoft get a sizable toehold in the telco/mobile devices industry, once again they are looking at an offset in future loses in the consumer OS side of their business.
3 - Even more interesting, is the fact that entertainment experiences are the "killer app" for the entire mobile computing/mobile telco industry. Let's face facts, what would an iPhone be without the ability to sync with iTunes, play music, videos and games? It'd be a pretty shitty experience that no one in their right mind in this day and age would play $200 for, subsidized or not. Why would we really need the speeds of 3G, 3.5G or 4G networks were it for the entertainment these networks allow to be piped to mobile devices?
Why get a toehold in one multi-billion industry, when you could get a toehold in two. Two industries as fortune would have it, which are linked like conjoined twins. Even should Microsoft fail to get a proper toehold into one, if they still managed to succeed at getting a toehold into the other, they still wind up getting a toehold into both by default.
In short, the answer to your question is foresight and the necessity that this foresight brings with it. There is little doubt that Microsoft's enterprise divisions are in any immediate danger of going the way of the dodo. However, their entire consumer OS division is maybe a decade from going belly up in the bottom of the toilet. The safer bet would be to continue to push deeper into enterprise solutions (which they are, believe it or not). However, the biggest payoffs are where mobile computing, telecommunications and entertainment overlap. And this is why we are not likely to see Microsoft (and for that matter, every other multi-national on the planet), walk away from trying to be the hot stepper at that party, anytime soon.
Compared to what they stand to win in the long run, the failure of Sidekick and Pink are less than a drop in the bucket. They'll learn more from this failure and later profit more from the knowledge they have gained, than they ever lost. Look at the situation with Rare (as someone pointed out above) as an example. They lost $350 million acquiring Rare. They made mistakes, and now Rare is a pale shadow of what they used to be. However, the hard lessons they learned from that clusterfuck, having now been applied, have yielded a turnaround for their games division, which has gone from over a billion in the hole, to turning a profit of over a billion a year.
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But its a sure-fire guarantee that once I comment on a Motorola article that Ponies is going to make some crazy un-called for rude comment which I simply cannot understand. Something is up and I don't know what it is but, I don't like it when anyone treats me like shit AND commenters that have been around for a while normally stick together. And don't make troll-like comments at eachother. I could understand if I ripped on him on Gizmodo, but I never made a rude comment at him. Considering that I have significant work experience at Motorola and know their products very very well, I am well suited to make comments about what I believe to be Motorola's products, good or bad.
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@LindsayJoy's MBP is into S+M: Comment drama isn't my thing, unless it's funny, which it sorta ain't. And you know Gizmodians like me that like to keep it in the lolosphere. . I dunno what the heck is going on on your end, but maybe we can try to be more serial/insightful/self-deprecating. Looking through your comment history, you've been fairly honest with your take on moto (mostly convincing me and likely many others that I was right to stay away from Moto #)$(#U%$)@!!ware). I didn't see any jumping up and down over the Cliq (unless bouncy video is included). As far as this whole stint goes, I don't wanna get into soap threads. You're right about vet comments sticking together (GSD would kill a million men in my honor - so he says). I understand your position would probably not be at liberty to dish everything, (though I'm sure Giz & others would love to have more insiders abound).
On a more general note, the only drama I want us vet commenters to have is funny drama, but comment friction is a lot like real friction. It can be good, when it's amusing, but right now, what you're referring to is decidedly unfun. If it doesn't make me laugh, it makes me itchy, and hungry, and I don't like being itchy and hungry. I prefer the heady days of popcicle summer camp threads where we myspace'd it up. We already have to deal with Gizmodo's ever changing comment system, that sends many older comments to commit suicide (poor iAirshirk whatever his name was). Anyways, us familiars should defend one another, and all that good stuff, against the ever growing onslaught of Trollus Noobus that infect the blogosphere from time to time. So c'mon my Giz chickadees, where's the love?
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Oh Robert, stop giving me good bouncy ideas. Lets take this to the playground cause we are realllly gettin off topic!
Anyhoo, the "turtle" with the non-android interface ran P2K which was realllllllly craPPPaaaY. I tested it and it was no pleasure. And much bigger then it looks too.
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I agree the phone should die, but not everything should be seeking market dominance.
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I have to echo some of the other comments about the ZHD. Microsoft would be stupid to ignore that wonderful design for a phone. I mean, it's freaking perfect. It doesn't even need a slider (though maybe a "pro" or something can be made, like the HTC) The size and feel of the Zune HD is sublime, and would make a fantastic cell handset.
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And more to the point, do you guys really think Microsoft would have put out a touch screen device if Apple hadn't already done it first? I mean, it's not like that haven't been into mobiles forever.
Yeah, yeah, I know, the ZuneHD is not rounded, but in every other aspect, it's just like the iPhone.
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I always forget that Microsoft rips off Apple from the future...
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I didn't think so.
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