Acting like criminals isn't going to get anyone to take you seriously... they're just going to frame you as loonies. Greenpeace, if you want to be taken seriously, conduct your protests with respect and dignity, within the rules set by law and society.
I wonder if Greenpeace is aware that HP donates huge amounts of money to Oceanic research - they are the main contributors to the MLML (Moss Landing Marine Labs) and MBARI (Monterrey Bay Aquarium Research Institute). Both of which are very conservation oriented
@jamjen: That may be the case, but one good thing does not negate one bad thing. All politics aside, that's like smocking crack and eating a bran muffin to cancel it out. Doesn't work that way.
Its best to keep eating the bran muffin, but phasing out the whole crack thing.
@Hatin'SharkWeek_GitEmSteveDave: Exactly. The only reason that system works at all is because some do-gooders buy the credits and don't use them. But you are exactly right.
Here's how the last interaction I had w/ a Greenpeace Rep went:
Excuse me sir. Sir? Excuse me?
Yes?
Do you like Polar Bears? We have a petition to...
No.
No? You don't like Polar Bears?
No, I don't, and let me tell you why. You see, if I'm face-to-face with a polar bear I'm thinking "Oh shit!" and the bear is thinking "Lunch!" so why would I like polar bears?
Well sir, if...
Unless it were say, a Polar Bear rug. I could get behind that you know...
*sigh* Well, what about trees? Do you like trees?
Yes! I LOVE trees!
Great, we have a petition here for...
Especially when the trees are cut up and put in my fireplace with the Polar Bear rug in front of it. Man, I love me some trees!
(At this point the person walked away looking dumbfounded.)
The next block:
Sir, would you like to make a donation to Greenpeace today?
I'm sorry, I don't support terrorist organizations.
Wait what?
I really love screwing with petition people who make money from each signature they get.
@Lite: is on a boat.: IIRC the interview I heard with the guys who filmed that huge Earth Day Disney flick, a Polar Bear is the only bear that will eat a human if it comes across one.
As for the petition, they cut down a tree to make paper for the petition, which was printed with hazardous ink/toner.
@Lite: is on a boat.: On my college campus a year or so ago I had a PETA member try to tell me about how badly cattle or treated and I looked her straight in the eyes with a face calm as I could and I said to her "The pain makes them taste better." She had no response, I loved it.
@Lite: is on a boat.: Terrorist entity is a little much but indeed it is vandalism. I think for the most part a lot of companies do not call the police on stunts like this to avoid playing into their hand. They want to be arrested, it's martyrdom without the death. Being arrested for your cause is a badge of honor for these people.
As far as HP was concerned, let them put their message, put out their press release then rebutt with a fill-in the blanks statement and carry on. The less attention they get the less power they wield.
While raising awareness about environmental issues is important, Greenpeace needs to practice moderation to avoid alienating potential supporters. Stunts like this make people less likely to support legitimately useful Greenpeace activities. You can bet that HP is now going to ignore any future Greenpeace protests about hazardous materials.
@Hello Mister Walrus: You kidding me? I'd be more willing to send money the more direct action they take. There are plenty of people that already write letters.
@Hello Mister Walrus: Well look at PETA, they alienate people but at the same time have a very faithful and strong base of supporters. Although PETA is crazier than Greenpeace as they go as far as killing animals to "save animals". The day Greenpeace kills the planet in order to save it, they become just as crazy.
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@NurseDave: Unfortunately, your opinion is not reflective of the whole population. There are more unfavorable comments in response to this article than favorable ones. Furthermore, people who post here tend to be young and liberal - i.e. they are already the sort that is more likely to support environmental activism.
@NurseDave: I for one am not kidding. I have no respect for organizations that look to correct their perceived problems with corporations by committing crimes. They lose any legitimacy or credibility when they ignore the rule of law. How about demonstrating that green processes can increase sales by generating good will and appealing to the consumer's sense of environmental responsibility? Oh wait, that would involve work and effort.
I don't go around doing whatever the hell I want because I fundamentally respect and value others, and the relative civility in which we coexist. Of course, if you (generic "you", not you personally) display repeated stupidity, that respect ceases.
A watch-dog operation should be held to even higher standards, not allowed to fuss and whine and vandalize in a public display of petulant defiance. My opinion of GreenPeace is already titanically low, and this only strengthens my arguments against them.
Stuff like that is exactly what makes no one take Greenpeace seriously.
Seriously, when I read something like that I picture a bunch of mindless teenagers with no creativity holding a green flag to justify their childish pranks.
@whoster69: Really? You believe that illegally painting on private property is a public service?
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2. government employment; civil service.
3. a service to the public rendered without charge by a profit-making organization: This radio program has been brought to you as a public service."
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So, just to be clear about this, they painted the roof "Hazardous products", with the only way to view being to burn large amounts of fuel in an airplane or a helicopter. Gotcha.
Well, we painted the HP roof, as per plan, and waited for the Google Earth satelitte to come over head. That's where we hit a snag.
What?
Well, MoonStar over there was supposed to check the weather forecast, but instead checked the paper for his horoscope, then did the Jumble. We didn't know until just after we finished that mid day showers were forecast, and everything got washed away. He apparently took the meaning of "Good deeds will be showered upon" to be in our favor.
I support the environment just as much as the next guy but greenpeace isn't even about the environment any more. They go to great lengths just to be completely anti-capitalism and pull immature stunts for attention just like this one.
@Maori_Yelir: I'm pretty sure you have no idea what you are talking about. Greenpeace has done a great job over the years of bringing attention to a lot of issues that you wouldn't have otherwise known about if it weren't for this sort of antic. They may be overzealous at times, they might be childish or even break a law or two, but they're very effective. And sometimes it takes this kind of action to shed some light on issues that corporations or governments spend millions of dollars sweeping under the rug.
@weatherman: Actually I agree with Maori_Yelir, Greenpeace have just become an organisation that spends most it's time fund raising, and putting on stupid stunts like this. They have no teeth anymore, they haven't had since they pushed out most of the original founders.
@weatherman: It doesn't negate the good they have done in the past but here in the present they don't help any more. They question every enviromental bill pushed through, raise their arms and scream "THAT'S IT!?" They expect instant, radical change when the world just doesn't work that way.
Not to say I support HP pushing back their scale back but change is gradual and instead of supporting small steps in the right direction they just use it as proof that the evil corporations don't give a damn and pull stunts like this for more attention.
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Acting like criminals isn't going to get anyone to take you seriously... they're just going to frame you as loonies. Greenpeace, if you want to be taken seriously, conduct your protests with respect and dignity, within the rules set by law and society.
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Its best to keep eating the bran muffin, but phasing out the whole crack thing.
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IDK... good catch.
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aka when pigs fly.
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Excuse me sir. Sir? Excuse me?
Yes?
Do you like Polar Bears? We have a petition to...
No.
No? You don't like Polar Bears?
No, I don't, and let me tell you why. You see, if I'm face-to-face with a polar bear I'm thinking "Oh shit!" and the bear is thinking "Lunch!" so why would I like polar bears?
Well sir, if...
Unless it were say, a Polar Bear rug. I could get behind that you know...
*sigh* Well, what about trees? Do you like trees?
Yes! I LOVE trees!
Great, we have a petition here for...
Especially when the trees are cut up and put in my fireplace with the Polar Bear rug in front of it. Man, I love me some trees!
(At this point the person walked away looking dumbfounded.)
The next block:
Sir, would you like to make a donation to Greenpeace today?
I'm sorry, I don't support terrorist organizations.
Wait what?
I really love screwing with petition people who make money from each signature they get.
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As for the petition, they cut down a tree to make paper for the petition, which was printed with hazardous ink/toner.
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I'm sorry, but that's vandalism. Last I knew, it was illegal. What next, they're going to spike trees?
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As far as HP was concerned, let them put their message, put out their press release then rebutt with a fill-in the blanks statement and carry on. The less attention they get the less power they wield.
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I don't go around doing whatever the hell I want because I fundamentally respect and value others, and the relative civility in which we coexist. Of course, if you (generic "you", not you personally) display repeated stupidity, that respect ceases.
A watch-dog operation should be held to even higher standards, not allowed to fuss and whine and vandalize in a public display of petulant defiance. My opinion of GreenPeace is already titanically low, and this only strengthens my arguments against them.
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"Greenpeace: Hewlett-Packard = Hazardous Products"
Stuff like that is exactly what makes no one take Greenpeace seriously.
Seriously, when I read something like that I picture a bunch of mindless teenagers with no creativity holding a green flag to justify their childish pranks.
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Crime is crime.
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1. the business of supplying an essential commodity, as gas or electricity, or a service, as transportation, to the general public.
2. government employment; civil service.
3. a service to the public rendered without charge by a profit-making organization: This radio program has been brought to you as a public service."
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@gqcarrick: "Hippies! I hate hippies! They say they want to save the planet, but all they do is smoke pot and smell bad! I can't stand them!"
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Why?
Well, we painted the HP roof, as per plan, and waited for the Google Earth satelitte to come over head. That's where we hit a snag.
What?
Well, MoonStar over there was supposed to check the weather forecast, but instead checked the paper for his horoscope, then did the Jumble. We didn't know until just after we finished that mid day showers were forecast, and everything got washed away. He apparently took the meaning of "Good deeds will be showered upon" to be in our favor.
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And NEVER TRUST WEATHERMAN! Remember Chaos theory. Weather tends to repeat on a 7 day cycle. What was last fri-sun weather like?
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Not to say I support HP pushing back their scale back but change is gradual and instead of supporting small steps in the right direction they just use it as proof that the evil corporations don't give a damn and pull stunts like this for more attention.