Can anyone verify how 3.0 beta 2 performs in real-world usage compared to 2.2? I'd like to install it but I don't want to lose stability/reliability in performance
Why do they bother locking it when they KNOW 2 seconds after they put it out, one of you guys will break it? It sounds like they only do it to keep their lawyers happy with removal of product liability, etc. Damn Lawyers.
I can't believe Apple would release this private beta. It's slow, it crashes, I mean, they are, like, a huge company, or something, and they should, like, have stuff READY by now? Like, you know, when stuff comes out for the first time, it should, like, work with, ummmm, work like normal stuff does.
It's just like totally unacceptamable for industries to keep.... placating us like this. Like we shouldn't take it anymore and junk. We should, you know, stop buying their junk and stuff cause they should totally be ready.
@madog: are you crazy? A) This is private (aka not ready for prime-time) for a reason aka, not up to snuff. B) it is mainly supossed to be used by developers who are using the new API's for their applications, not for people who wanted to "try it out through bittorrent". C) "Like we shouldn't take it anymore and junk. We should, you know, stop buying their junk and stuff cause they should totally be ready." IT WAS PRIVATE, if you actually followed the terms of service, you shouldnt have had access in the first place. THERE WAS A REASON IT WAS PAY-FOR-ONLY. and believe me, all the dev's who paid the $99 for it are plenty happy to have access to the API's so they can write their apps (i for sure am)
Apple: It just works. Except in beta when it is a gigantic frigging mess, just like every other company.
That said, people are downgrading from the production release of Vista to XP, so the Apple-hate really only goes so far. (Ignoring that Mobile Me stuff, of course.) Still, thanks Apple for making Redmond feel a little better about itself.
@Monty: Well, I don't think Redmond would feel that much better until people are rolling back in large numbers on a final release product sold in stores.
@Monty: Also, Vista was a final product. For sale. And shipped on plenty of computers. 3.0 is in beta, and on lockdown theoretically only to developers. When Apple releases something that is as reviled as Vista, then you'll have a parallel. (Hint: the answer is MobileMe, but only in the summer of 08. It's fine now, but I suspect Vista will always be hated.)
Not that I'm saying anything about the actual everything else with the OS, but I find it funny that there's only like 3 steps for Windows yet 10 for the Mac.
@KefkaticFanatic: When you install 3.0, you have to register the device as a developmental tool When restoring it, you are changing it back to a regular old phone. That's why the 10 steps. You're not just reformatting a drive.
Yet another blow to apple. I can't say I'm surprised, though, as I've seen many unworkable betas... IE springs to mind.
But to think iPhone OS 3.0 sucks this much? Apple should've spent more time polishing it up (at least somewhere close to the quality we saw in Win7 beta) before releasing it.
@Dafrety: Don't feed the trolls! Unless you've got a really funny reply like Frigg. :)
Anyone who would describe a private, developer only beta that has bugs as a major blow to a company (Apple, Microsoft, or whoever) is clearly trolling for flames.
I just sent my letter in to my Attorney General stating Apple's lack of acceptable Beta software to the community. It always takes them months to fix, shit's always crashing. I mean, it's just totally unacceptable, man. Yeah.
@Jrsy Devil's Food Cake®: Just one week? Darn, I didn't do anything regrettable last week. Maybe I would find something regrettable to do before I go back. *Wink*
@Software_Goddess: "Just one week? Darn, I didn't do anything regrettable last week. Maybe I would find something regrettable to do before I go back. *Wink*"
Well if you already know you're going to regret it before hand then you won't need a time machine...
@s017jrs: y'know, it only started bothering me that this isn't part of the iPhone already. And it really bothers me that it doesn't even handle incoming meeting invites or vcards of any sort. That's just plain stupid. It has a calendar in it, why not integrate it with appt invites that come in through email? Instead I have to close the email, open the calendar, and manually enter the data... c'mon! I might as well just pull out a DayPlanner at that point!
Upgrading an iPhone is worse than re-installing Windows back in the late 90's. I remember I'd have to reinstall win 98 at least four times a year due me messing up the registry, getting viruses from warez sites, winnuke and other awesome things. Now the iPhone needs to be updated once every 6-12 weeks it seems. And then after that, you gotta sync your stuff, download new updates, jailbreak your phone and re install all your AppTapp programs. I almost wish I had my Motorola v60 again.
@TheJunkMonger: I'm an iPhone developer, so if I want my app to keep up with the latest, then unfortunately I do :\.
@pdditty: Yeah that's a good point. I had mine jailbroken before I got my developer license-now I just feel like it's too much, but I am looking at doing it again.
Seriously, updating the iPhone isn't hard at all, and it certainly doesn't take that long. It's completely painless, even for the technically illiterate. And the advantage of updating is big. Since the launch we've seen major improvements in call quality, 3G reception, battery life, and all sorts of features and tweaks. Compare that to the old v60, which may have been a decent dumbphone out of the box, but never got a single bit better after that. I'll take the iPhone over the v60 any day.
@Capt Castellanos: hmm, i think my wireless router is just being crap-tastic as usual.
i'm using my wired computer as my wireless router is on the other side of the house. and all other wireless things are picking it up, but not getting any sweet internet juices.
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It's just like totally unacceptamable for industries to keep.... placating us like this. Like we shouldn't take it anymore and junk. We should, you know, stop buying their junk and stuff cause they should totally be ready.
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I was attempting to make fun of all the other jackasses who sincerely think as such in regards to this beta.
But I guess I failed in that. Thank's MATT!
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That said, people are downgrading from the production release of Vista to XP, so the Apple-hate really only goes so far. (Ignoring that Mobile Me stuff, of course.) Still, thanks Apple for making Redmond feel a little better about itself.
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But to think iPhone OS 3.0 sucks this much? Apple should've spent more time polishing it up (at least somewhere close to the quality we saw in Win7 beta) before releasing it.
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Anyone who would describe a private, developer only beta that has bugs as a major blow to a company (Apple, Microsoft, or whoever) is clearly trolling for flames.
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Maybe you didnt get the memo.. its for developers.
Its not apple's fault that the average consumer installed it.
@Dafrety:
"Not everything is as smooth as the Win7 Beta."
huh? win7 was crashier than vista
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(I'd have given you a full +1, but I took off a half 'cuz Kyonko did kinda sorta partially redeem himself with a pleasant reply to frigg.)
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You know what, I won't even bother defending myself. Flame me if you want, but please read and control your fanboy-ism before you reply. Thank you.
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I just sent my letter in to my Attorney General stating Apple's lack of acceptable Beta software to the community. It always takes them months to fix, shit's always crashing. I mean, it's just totally unacceptable, man. Yeah.
"Don't flame me, bro! Nooo!"
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* opens a window to release the steam *
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And I would call shotgun in the Delorean for that trip..
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Just one?
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Well if you already know you're going to regret it before hand then you won't need a time machine...
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@pdditty: Yeah that's a good point. I had mine jailbroken before I got my developer license-now I just feel like it's too much, but I am looking at doing it again.
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Seriously, updating the iPhone isn't hard at all, and it certainly doesn't take that long. It's completely painless, even for the technically illiterate. And the advantage of updating is big. Since the launch we've seen major improvements in call quality, 3G reception, battery life, and all sorts of features and tweaks. Compare that to the old v60, which may have been a decent dumbphone out of the box, but never got a single bit better after that. I'll take the iPhone over the v60 any day.
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internets not connecting..
no safari, youtube, itunes.
but i'm getting full bars.
not good.
anyone getting something similar?
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i'm using my wired computer as my wireless router is on the other side of the house. and all other wireless things are picking it up, but not getting any sweet internet juices.
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