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WebOS, iPhone OS, and Android are all *NIX with HTML and Javascript on top. Except for Windows Mobile, most of the smartphone market has some form of *NIX / Java blend.
VMware would really shake things up if it blurred the barriers of hardware. I don't think the carriers will go for it, though. Handset vendors won't care as much, except Apple, whose whole game is "the total user experience" anyway.
@Jack_Burton: While webOS and Android run on top of the Linux kernel and iPhone OS is Darwin (way waaay down), this doesn't mean they're compatible. As far as I'm aware, none of them are Posix compliant, they all run completely different toolchains and userlands, and apps are written in JavaScript on webOS, Java on Android and Objective-C on iPhone.
@QuarterToTomorrow: I never said they were compatible, just that they had similar components in their underlying architecture. Have you ever used VMWare? It's a hardware abstraction layer that goes between the device and the host OS.
My point is that VMWare would have less work to do as far as supporting basic I/O since it would be piping in a manner similar in all 3 OSes. They are more similar than dissimilar.
As long as the devices are dependent on carrier distribution it's not going to happen. As it is right now if you want WinMo and Android, you buy two phones, they subsidize one (which locks you into a contract) and then sell you the second for additional profit.
There are so many things f**ked the hell up with the wireless industry the ability to load your own OS barely even registers on the radar. How about we start by getting the carriers to discount service for those of us whose devices they aren't subsidizing. Once that happens buying unlocked becomes a much better value proposition, then with the carriers, and their desire for artificial market segmentation, out of the way a multi-boot smartphone might be possible.
People from the FCC / congress, if you're reading this, make it happen.
I think the Corporate Gods learned their lesson from computers and there is no way in hell they are going to give you "freedom" with their mobile phones
Honestly I just don't know why no one has hacked the Android OS to run on the iPhone. Would seem like a no-brainer, right? Android is open-source, geek-oriented, and the iPhone is ubiquitous enough to merit serious 3rd party free-unlocking and pirate app support (and by pirate here I don't mean piracy, I mean not sanctioned by Apple).
@blash:
The iPhone's hardware precludes the loading of other OSes. One of the core means of doing this is via booting from a microSD card which the iPhone famously lacks.
@microlithx: Yeah but hackers have been able to access everything from root to the baseband. If they can do all that, why can't they boot something that lets them write new firmware to allow them to boot a new OS off the included storage? Is there some part of the iPhone that still hasn't been torn apart in software in some way?
Having handsets that actually work well with their respective OS's is more important, in my opinion, than the choices available of the OS+hardware combo. Far too many phones I've tried out did not work all that well to begin with, and having more options per phone won't exactly cure that.
I don't necessarily think I'm with you on this one, John, but I do think that I will be in a couple of years.
Thing is, as fast as we can get some of our phones to move, they are all slow. I mean, compared to desktop space, where you can fly through the internet, download videos in a flash (pun totally intended). I am not in the least bit interested in seeing how Android would run on the specs of a current phone if it had to include a bunch of software to support the myriad of hardware that's out there now. Maybe it won't be too much longer before hardware gets crazy fast, but as long as we're still measuring CPU speeds in "OMG! 1GHZ?!", I'd rather wait it out.
I think you're dead on in a lot of what it's going to take to get there....but when I think back to what the software world was like when my desktop ran on a 600 Mhz processor and 256 MB of RAM, I'm less than inclines to think I want anything but a specialized, heavily tweaked, custom-built piece of software running on my phone. Some of the improvements have come from faster software, sure, but I think we owe a good deal of faster desktops now to faster hardware.
In the long run, I am right there with you. And I think it deserves the call to action now that it will take to get there someday. But I don't think I'd want to see what that would look like in 2010.
While the idea has some merit, most mobile OS are hardware centric. Much of the reason of that is to keep them small and running the best they can. While Android shows the most possibility for cross platform adaptability, it is still tweaked for the hardware it is on. I believe that smart portable technology is still in its infancy and the power to take that sort of step is several generations away as was stated in the blog. What I would like to see is a very customizable OS again Android shows promise. An OS where the icons the layout the whole look could be adapted for the needs of the user. a very amorphous interface.
Not to toot my own horn, but my brilliant brain came up with this idea about 4 years ago whilst sitting on the crapper in my modest Atlanta apartment. The only thing is, I don't know how to patent things, and I'm sure a patent probably existed at the time anyway.
My idea was for a color magazine reader with clickable ads for revenue and the ability to download any participating magazine over wifi. I didn't have touchscreen in mind, but obviously we all know it would work brilliantly at this point. In my head it was thin like the Kindle, but I don't think technology would've allowed it at the time. It would've made me millions.
Hell it doesn't seem like that's stopped anyone yet though. To the blueprints!
I got a free year's subscription to WIRED; while I could easily read all the articles online, the layout and graphic art accompanying those very same articles in the print version make me want to read the magazine more than the website, where every story is pretty much laid out exactly the same way.
More websites have also put still photography on the back-burner; sure, you can say "why do still photos when online video is so easy," but there's something to be said for a beautiful photo for many, and I'm sure I'm not the only one here.
I do think you are right, Jesus, and I do think the dissemination of good writing is better than the dissemination of empty shells that simply look good. But as someone who works in print media (I know, I know, my medium is dying, I'm a dinosaur, etc.), I have to stand up for one point, which is that there is definitely a group of people for whom aesthetics is important, and my fear is that we are approaching a time period when no one will give a damn about things like that anymore.
@DennyCrane: It sounds like to me you have a problem with the presentation of the material. However, there is nothing stopping anyone from working on that aspect of the web as more design folk migrate permanently to the online world.
As technology barriers decrease I'm sure we'll be seeing more and more done focusing on the aesthetics of articles rather than just the subject matter.
@DennyCrane: I agree! I prefer the actual, physical medium! You can't rip your favorite web page out of a tablet and not be mortified if you lose it. Physical media are just that. Physical. As a physical person I appreciate that.
@DennyCrane: Why do still photos when online video is so easy? I'm more concerned about the related trend, "Why write text when online video is so easy?" I would much rather skim through text than suffer through a video of some guy blabbing away on the topic at his own slow pace. I skip most online video, it's just not a good use of my time to watch unless it conveys something that could not be conveyed without the video media.
@DennyCrane: I think the web will evolve to accommodate those that appreciate aesthetics. Blogs are beginning to make a push to present information outside the standard Wordpress template.
A great article on the topic can be found over at Smashing Magazine (though to be honest, I find that this particular author's presentation is a little too messy, undermining the value of his point) and I'd recommend giving the following sites a look-see:
Though the blogs on these sites have consistent elements like their navigation, the presentation for each article varies depending on the content.
I personally think that this is where Time Magazine should be going. Leave print design to print. Use web design to its fullest abilities and create a true "blogazine" (but don't call it a blogazine, because that sounds stupid)
Someone may want to suggest to their design department that, perhaps, just maybe, a serif font is not the best way to present your material? Unless you're viewing this on a 300 ppi screen, serif fonts are notoriously more difficult to read on screens than their sans-serif brethren.
That alone makes the above image look way too old to be "the next new format".
@mclark2112: Yes! Thank you! I'm glad I not the only one who noticed. What the heck kind of a web developer, for a gadget blog no less, is using a serif font as the default for bulk text?! Seriously?! Seriously...come on.
@OCEntertainment: It hurts my eyes, and looks terrible on my Hackintosh. I go there much less, and that huge bunch of images at the top just gets in the way and takes forever to load.
Unfortunately, there still is a large percentage of the population (mostly boomers) who have lots of money and don't use the series of tubes known as the "interwebs" to access information traditionally found in magazines.
But, they still love spending money on stupid shit like SUV's, tom-toms and e-readers. I'm sure they'll snap up this 'tablet' device that will support these crazy 'digital magazines'.
Just something to chew on while we ponder the death of print media. The Economist is enjoying record subscriptions as they have taken the exact opposite approach of most ailing magazines. Acknowledging that they cannot compete with the internet for fast, brief, and nearly endless news updates, they have actually made their articles longer, more researched and in-depth. They have pretty much become the last available source of news for people who think global politics and economics probably cannot be summed up in 3 paragraph article on CNN.com underneath the 5 paragraph article about Tiger Woods' car accident.
@Mike Zuniga: That was Unexpected:
I felt the same way about Gourmet Magazine... not that it really stood a chance w/ epicurious and food network these days... but still.
@Hiphopopotamus: Gourmet Magazine. This is actually a magazine type that could highly benefit from being digital.
Being able to click the pictures above a recipe and watch a video of it being made, all while being coherently put together in a way that doesnt boggle the mind. Web sites are great for taking in a lot of content. But regardless of which page you are on, it pretty much all looks the same. There is no special attention to the look and feel of the article you are reading, just the same ads you saw on the first page, on this page now, with the same header etc. People love attention to detail and eye popping unique design, whether they know it or not. You simply do not get this on a web site in a per article way at all.
@Mike Zuniga: That was Unexpected: Indeed, then no longer will little boys have their first exposure to the female form in their Kindergarten collage project cutting out photos from old National Geographic magazines.
Instead it will be once they finally figure out how to get around their parent's internet filtering.
@Hiphopopotamus: Epicurious has a lot of their recipes. I would pay for Epicurious if I had to. I do pay for an online-only subscription to Cooks Illustrated. I would never bother with the print magazine. To me, this is a better organization of the content. I can easily search it, view it on any computer, and have ready access to the archives, copy it to a different format if I like. If Gourmet were digital in the way Time is proposing, I'd have all these individual magazine files to deal with which I may or may not be able to read on any device or format shift to centralize my recipe collection. I'm all for going digital, just not this way.
12/07/09
VMware would really shake things up if it blurred the barriers of hardware. I don't think the carriers will go for it, though. Handset vendors won't care as much, except Apple, whose whole game is "the total user experience" anyway.
12/08/09
(nb Java != JavaScript)
12/08/09
My point is that VMWare would have less work to do as far as supporting basic I/O since it would be piping in a manner similar in all 3 OSes. They are more similar than dissimilar.
12/07/09
There are so many things f**ked the hell up with the wireless industry the ability to load your own OS barely even registers on the radar. How about we start by getting the carriers to discount service for those of us whose devices they aren't subsidizing. Once that happens buying unlocked becomes a much better value proposition, then with the carriers, and their desire for artificial market segmentation, out of the way a multi-boot smartphone might be possible.
People from the FCC / congress, if you're reading this, make it happen.
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The iPhone's hardware precludes the loading of other OSes. One of the core means of doing this is via booting from a microSD card which the iPhone famously lacks.
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Thing is, as fast as we can get some of our phones to move, they are all slow. I mean, compared to desktop space, where you can fly through the internet, download videos in a flash (pun totally intended). I am not in the least bit interested in seeing how Android would run on the specs of a current phone if it had to include a bunch of software to support the myriad of hardware that's out there now. Maybe it won't be too much longer before hardware gets crazy fast, but as long as we're still measuring CPU speeds in "OMG! 1GHZ?!", I'd rather wait it out.
I think you're dead on in a lot of what it's going to take to get there....but when I think back to what the software world was like when my desktop ran on a 600 Mhz processor and 256 MB of RAM, I'm less than inclines to think I want anything but a specialized, heavily tweaked, custom-built piece of software running on my phone. Some of the improvements have come from faster software, sure, but I think we owe a good deal of faster desktops now to faster hardware.
In the long run, I am right there with you. And I think it deserves the call to action now that it will take to get there someday. But I don't think I'd want to see what that would look like in 2010.
12/07/09
12/07/09
Unfortunately that project seems to have died.
12/02/09
My idea was for a color magazine reader with clickable ads for revenue and the ability to download any participating magazine over wifi. I didn't have touchscreen in mind, but obviously we all know it would work brilliantly at this point. In my head it was thin like the Kindle, but I don't think technology would've allowed it at the time. It would've made me millions.
Hell it doesn't seem like that's stopped anyone yet though. To the blueprints!
12/02/09
More websites have also put still photography on the back-burner; sure, you can say "why do still photos when online video is so easy," but there's something to be said for a beautiful photo for many, and I'm sure I'm not the only one here.
I do think you are right, Jesus, and I do think the dissemination of good writing is better than the dissemination of empty shells that simply look good. But as someone who works in print media (I know, I know, my medium is dying, I'm a dinosaur, etc.), I have to stand up for one point, which is that there is definitely a group of people for whom aesthetics is important, and my fear is that we are approaching a time period when no one will give a damn about things like that anymore.
12/02/09
As technology barriers decrease I'm sure we'll be seeing more and more done focusing on the aesthetics of articles rather than just the subject matter.
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A great article on the topic can be found over at Smashing Magazine (though to be honest, I find that this particular author's presentation is a little too messy, undermining the value of his point) and I'd recommend giving the following sites a look-see:
[dustincurtis.com]
[jasonsantamaria.com]
Though the blogs on these sites have consistent elements like their navigation, the presentation for each article varies depending on the content.
I personally think that this is where Time Magazine should be going. Leave print design to print. Use web design to its fullest abilities and create a true "blogazine" (but don't call it a blogazine, because that sounds stupid)
12/02/09
That alone makes the above image look way too old to be "the next new format".
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12/02/09
Thank you Giz for knowing how a blog should work!
12/02/09
But, they still love spending money on stupid shit like SUV's, tom-toms and e-readers. I'm sure they'll snap up this 'tablet' device that will support these crazy 'digital magazines'.
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12/02/09
I felt the same way about Gourmet Magazine... not that it really stood a chance w/ epicurious and food network these days... but still.
12/02/09
Being able to click the pictures above a recipe and watch a video of it being made, all while being coherently put together in a way that doesnt boggle the mind. Web sites are great for taking in a lot of content. But regardless of which page you are on, it pretty much all looks the same. There is no special attention to the look and feel of the article you are reading, just the same ads you saw on the first page, on this page now, with the same header etc. People love attention to detail and eye popping unique design, whether they know it or not. You simply do not get this on a web site in a per article way at all.
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Instead it will be once they finally figure out how to get around their parent's internet filtering.
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