The album lives on in only one format now: Vinyl. For analog nerds and LP collectors. My preferred consumption of music now is lossless DRM-free mp3s and the vinyl for posterity, pretty art, etc.
Albums as a revenue source is kinda laughable at this point in time - but if you are gonna do it, this seems like a better way: [pitchfork.com]
Buy some cool band shit, get the album for free.
Edited by DeusExMach wonders what the hell happened to his star. at 08/11/09 2:55 PM
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Eh, we'll see.
I've seen some concepts for "digital albums" that I could really get into. Even the way that iTunes does it now is close but not quite there. You get that little digital booklet but you can't really see it anywhere but on the computer. Make it so that while I'm listening to the song on my iPod Touch I can "flip" through the book and I'm there. I've found myself buying more and more "whole albums" just because by the time I get three or four songs I like its cheaper to complete my album then it is to buy the rest of the songs at their normal price.
i wish i could understand the purpose of this (other than trying to inflate some made up "album sales" category). again, record industry, don't try to give us what you want, give us what we want. i purchase and download only albums, never singles. i know that puts me in some old-fogey demographic, but so be it. that said, even i don't understand any advantage to this. and if the "added value" of purchasing and entire album is extra data (lyrics, album art, liner notes, etc...) then they must be going to "protect" those right? have they learned nothing about DRM yet? if they are NOT going to be protected, then why not just make an online "official" library with the information. when i rip a CD or download an entire album ask me if i want the extra crap. if this new format is to be "album only", meaning you can't listen to tracks discretly from it, then that is really really stupid.
@hdiggity: I think the idea is to encourage listeners to start to (re)appreciate the album as an art form unto itself... there are some classic albums out there that were the sold as only individual tracks would not have achieved the same iconic status -- Sgt Pepper, Dark Side of the Moon, Thriller, etc..
However, I think the 'digital album' format or cocktail is not the way to go -- the real way to get kids interested in downloading whole albums is to make it significantly cheaper.. also, labels need to stomp pumping out albums that consist of 2 "hot tracks" and 9 pieces of shit (i'm looking at you, eminem)...
A quality album can be a thing of beauty, a wonderful artform.. the problem is that far too few albums these days are, and that just encourages the kids to get the one track they heard on the radio, and probably never even hear the rest...
@anfield: I agree, although I also think radio itself is to blame. The whole idea that we can listen to only one song, and then base our expectations off that one song is bad. I think, after being burned by so many albums were there was only one or two good songs, people wisened up and bought only singles. Which really hurts artists like Kanye West, Radiohead, Tool and Nine Inch Nails, all whom make complete albums much better than a single song.
@anfield: i really hope you are right and that is the reason. however, the cynic in me (and that part gets bigger each day) says it's just another attempt to (a) re-sell what they've already sold once (i.e. upgrade from vinyl to CD) or (b) try again to lock down the digital format. i really do hope that something great comes of this, but i highly doubt it.
@hdiggity: I think with how easy it is to rip CD, most people won't be buying both CD and digital. You would choose one or the other, depending on your needs.
The album is not dead. I enjoy taking a 12" slab of pressed vinyl from its sleeve and placing it on the platter. I enjoy having CD jewel cases packed with interesting, tactile packaging. I enjoy having actual album art. The best thing about it is that no one can take it from me, save for breaking into my home and physically removing it from my grasp. Music is to be enjoyed in album form. Can one listen to singles? Sure, but they are not as fulfilling as listening to a coherent, thought-out album. An album is not a collection of singles, an album takes time and care. What would Abbey Road be without the album format? If some people only have a few things to say, then sure, put out a single. But for those who have attention spans longer than 3:45, the album is not dead.
I went to a wildlife park in San Diego and bought a CD of world music that had the videos and menus claptrap on it. Apparently, my "antique" CD player would not play the tunes that were purportedly on the disc. My mac could not play them either, but I did get to see the same rippingly idiotic indian dance video over and over and over and over and over and over and over and ... well, you get the picture. As an oldster, I like getting my tunes on a physical disc, and I just want the tunes on it. I will not buy the same BS in soft-form, either.
@Nick: I love Nick: Dude, that looks like some sort of desert castle where the Crusades might have been fought. Where the heck are you storing your grandparents‽
@djfoxx64: If you really believe your music is art, you'd want to be able to afford to produce it. if you think it's worth nothing, and don't want to use your time making music, and it's of no interest or value to anyone else, then go ahead and keep not getting paid for it.
@djfoxx64: Agreed. I have musician friends who give music away. They do the music cause they love it. Record companies come in and steal their IP, make millions off them, give them a pittance and force some to change their music style and conform to what's "cool". If you want to make money, be generic, but be the best generic you can be. If you want to do it for art's sake, make good music and more power to you, just don't expect to make money.
@EqualOpportunityCrasher: I've never met a musician who wouldn't love to make a living getting paid to make music.
Record companies don't steal IP. Artists eagerly seek out record deals because labels do things artists can't and don't want to do themselves (although obviously the role of labels is changing as the industry collapses and transforms). Artists essentially hire labels to promote, distribute, support, and produce the artist, and in return pay the label by giving them a percentage of their profits, if they ever get them. It's similar to filmmakers who make deals with studios or authors who make deals with publishers.
It's cool to say labels are evil, and there's a lot of terrible record contracts that turn artists into indentured servants, but why do people think that every profession in the world should be paid except music? If you make computers all day and you happen to love what you do, should you not get paid? Only an idiot wouldn't want to get paid for their work just because they enjoy doing it.
As for the generic thing, it turns out that the richest artists are the ones who rejected the urge to be like everyone else. The public is what makes musicians rich, not record labels. If you are an amazing musician and not like everyone else, the public rewards you by buying your shit. That is, when they're not stealing it.
There will always be musicians complaining about how the music industry sucks and record labels suck and making money doing music sucks and just give it away and play out every now and then at a coffee house. And hey, all the power to them. But those are the things that musicians typically say to lick their wounds because they aren't good enough to get the fans, record deals, and money from making music that they desperately, secretly crave.
The truth is is that if you are an amazing musician and an original and compelling artist, you have every reason in the world to expect to get rich. If you aren't an amazing and original musician, then, when you talk about it with your friends... the record industry sucks, labels suck, the system sucks, etc.
I don't care what you think of Apple, that's pretty damn awesome. Now I can comfortably purchase iTunes stuff without caring about authorization when transferring to another system of mine.
@Brendan Byrne: That idea is around since iTunes Music Store was introduced. For starters it would be great to get unknown new musicians into the mix. Bypassing completely the greedy record companies, the artists would have more freedom and more income.
Record companies have lost their function, their reason of existence and will eventually all close down anyway... but they try to hold to their power, especially Warner Music with their extremely lame policies regarding youtube.
Unless it is in MP3 format, it would not save me the hassle of having to convert the tracks. The reason I purchase all my music from Amazon is that it starts out at 240K+ MP3 format and downloads directly into iTunes for me. I have multiple types of MP3 players, and I am way (WAY) too lazy to convert music files.
Apple could care less about the DRM. They make no money off of the digital downloads; all the money comes from selling iPods, iPhones, and accessories. Granted, what built it into the dominant force it is was the DRM that forced iPod users to use iTunes, but the success of Amazon means that Apple has little to lose by going DRM free.
The only ones holding Apple back from implementing non-drm tracks are the labels; they HATE giving in to Apple's demands, since it proves that Steve Jobs was right and they were wrong. (why do you think Amazon already carries DRM-free tracks from every label while iTunes does not?)
@JHB8000: You've got it a bit backwards. iPods have always been able to work with non-DRMed files so DRM had nothing to do with the success of the iPod (I'm no fan of Apple but even I will admit that for far too long the iPod was the only decent DAP out there, that's why it was successful).
Right now they would have a vested interest in keeping DRM intact. See, people have invested quite a bit of money into iTunes downloads where the only mobile players that support them are made by Apple... that investment makes people much more reluctant to switch to a different DAP and encourages them to buy another iPod/iPhone should their current one die or be lost. It's sort of like how a Pro photographer tends to stick to a specific brand, to switch bodies may only cost $5k but if they also have to replace their $50k lens collection they might be willing to settle for something a bit less capable but more compatible with what they already have.
Now, the question is, is keeping that leverage over consumers worth all of the continuing negative PR, especially when faced, for the first time, with some legitimate competition. I don't think it is
@iReckoning: From a PR standpoint, it would probably do them more ill to keep DRM, per Jobs' own statements. With other distributors selling a full DRM-free library, Apple would eventually have to follow suit anyway. I think that, as of now, it's safe to say that iTunes DRM is not what sells these things. How many people have an iTunes purchase-exclusive library? The majority of the tracks on any given iPod are gotten from somewhere else. iPods are going to sell in large numbers anyway, but dumping DRM may actually generate more revenue.
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No such thing.
08/11/09
[pitchfork.com]
Buy some cool band shit, get the album for free.
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08/11/09
I've seen some concepts for "digital albums" that I could really get into. Even the way that iTunes does it now is close but not quite there. You get that little digital booklet but you can't really see it anywhere but on the computer. Make it so that while I'm listening to the song on my iPod Touch I can "flip" through the book and I'm there. I've found myself buying more and more "whole albums" just because by the time I get three or four songs I like its cheaper to complete my album then it is to buy the rest of the songs at their normal price.
08/11/09
08/11/09
However, I think the 'digital album' format or cocktail is not the way to go -- the real way to get kids interested in downloading whole albums is to make it significantly cheaper.. also, labels need to stomp pumping out albums that consist of 2 "hot tracks" and 9 pieces of shit (i'm looking at you, eminem)...
A quality album can be a thing of beauty, a wonderful artform.. the problem is that far too few albums these days are, and that just encourages the kids to get the one track they heard on the radio, and probably never even hear the rest...
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Fuck Jobs and fuck the labels, both are blood sucking pieces of shit.
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Record companies don't steal IP. Artists eagerly seek out record deals because labels do things artists can't and don't want to do themselves (although obviously the role of labels is changing as the industry collapses and transforms). Artists essentially hire labels to promote, distribute, support, and produce the artist, and in return pay the label by giving them a percentage of their profits, if they ever get them. It's similar to filmmakers who make deals with studios or authors who make deals with publishers.
It's cool to say labels are evil, and there's a lot of terrible record contracts that turn artists into indentured servants, but why do people think that every profession in the world should be paid except music? If you make computers all day and you happen to love what you do, should you not get paid? Only an idiot wouldn't want to get paid for their work just because they enjoy doing it.
As for the generic thing, it turns out that the richest artists are the ones who rejected the urge to be like everyone else. The public is what makes musicians rich, not record labels. If you are an amazing musician and not like everyone else, the public rewards you by buying your shit. That is, when they're not stealing it.
There will always be musicians complaining about how the music industry sucks and record labels suck and making money doing music sucks and just give it away and play out every now and then at a coffee house. And hey, all the power to them. But those are the things that musicians typically say to lick their wounds because they aren't good enough to get the fans, record deals, and money from making music that they desperately, secretly crave.
The truth is is that if you are an amazing musician and an original and compelling artist, you have every reason in the world to expect to get rich. If you aren't an amazing and original musician, then, when you talk about it with your friends... the record industry sucks, labels suck, the system sucks, etc.
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I'd be surprised if it didn't happen at some point in the near future.
02/02/09
Record companies have lost their function, their reason of existence and will eventually all close down anyway... but they try to hold to their power, especially Warner Music with their extremely lame policies regarding youtube.
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It seems almost too good to be true...
12/08/08
Apple could care less about the DRM. They make no money off of the digital downloads; all the money comes from selling iPods, iPhones, and accessories. Granted, what built it into the dominant force it is was the DRM that forced iPod users to use iTunes, but the success of Amazon means that Apple has little to lose by going DRM free.
The only ones holding Apple back from implementing non-drm tracks are the labels; they HATE giving in to Apple's demands, since it proves that Steve Jobs was right and they were wrong. (why do you think Amazon already carries DRM-free tracks from every label while iTunes does not?)
12/08/08
Right now they would have a vested interest in keeping DRM intact. See, people have invested quite a bit of money into iTunes downloads where the only mobile players that support them are made by Apple... that investment makes people much more reluctant to switch to a different DAP and encourages them to buy another iPod/iPhone should their current one die or be lost. It's sort of like how a Pro photographer tends to stick to a specific brand, to switch bodies may only cost $5k but if they also have to replace their $50k lens collection they might be willing to settle for something a bit less capable but more compatible with what they already have.
Now, the question is, is keeping that leverage over consumers worth all of the continuing negative PR, especially when faced, for the first time, with some legitimate competition. I don't think it is
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