Predicting remaining energy near the end of a battery's run is difficult, so the 38 miles remaining claim is dubious. On top of that, 241 + 38 = 279 miles, still a far cry from the 375 mile record. Go Gizmodo.
@Rabid Penguin: well if there were 200 instances of the same program then there wouldnt be 200 items in the dock. Each item in the dock is a different app
@jbrownbrugo: But "he dock can't get beyond 100 applications" anyway. I thought the point was just having the apps running, not how many icons were in the dock.
I suppose if one intrepid user wanted to end this utterly yawntastic pissing contest, one could install the entirety of the ubuntu repositories and write a script to launch them all.
@Rabid Penguin: You might say that as a joke, but iTunes kills my laptop (running Vista HP 32-bit). Even after doubling up my RAM, it slows down everything to a crawl. Damn iPod, if it wasn't for that my laptop would meet all my computing needs.
How does that set a record, there'e no standard on the footprint of each application. I could go write a stub application that does nothing. I bet I could open something like that a thousand times.
But I understand, I used to support Apple. You have look for things to do.
@Lokno: Great points! "App" needs to be defined - and "running at the same time" needs some work too - I could open 500 word documents in 500 separate windows, but that does not count. If it like every other program, most of them are static unless they are the "active" program.
@Jesus Diaz: Ok, but are the 200 apps that are open actually doing anything, or is it just an "opened" version of Final Cut, Photoshop, etc.
If so, then RAM and paging would pretty much do the trick, and then any currently running "foreground" app, like the video chat, would get priority and the app would essentially be dead in the water.
I would like to know if he was able to have any of those apps actively processing data, image editing, transcoding video, downloading files, de/compressing archives, etc, etc.
Having 200+ apps running is largely a feat of RAM and disk paging, but doesn't necessarily speak for the stability of the OS (though potentially might). The most telling is that it took 15 minutes to open them all, which, to me, indicates a lot of RAM and disk paging activity and overall system slowdown in terms of prioritizing memory segmentation.
As far as I know (which isn't far, I'm not a Mac user) iChat 4.0 is optimized to take advantage of dual core and video hardware acceleration, so I imagine it would perform decently despite (many) other apps loitering in the background.
I'm not saying it isn't a feat, but I do wonder what, if anything, it proves, other than the fact that some people will do nearly anything (regardless of how practical or informative) to prove the supposed superiority of a given platform. The only thing I'm inclined to call shenanigans on is that he claimed 15 minutes to open 200 apps. That would be an average of 4.5 seconds per app from click to read-state (unless he made a script that opened them all and it took 15 minutes to process, page, etc). Still seems suspect.
@BeautifulAgony: its prettty simple. open 200 windows of anything on any version of windows. it will crash freeze or something. regardless of what this aps are doing just proves how much better mac os utilices the hard/software.
@Fuji-kun: Perhaps you are correct. On Win XP Pro SP3 I've currently got 100 open applications as a test, with 15 being seperate processes of Google Chrome. I just don't have enough applications to test it, even with the entire CS3 catalog running, plus all my music editing software, as well as two City of Heroes processes running (connected to server). But, even at 100 it's very smooth sailing, and alt-tabbing from Photoshop CS3 to DivX (encoding a video) seems to go well.
I guess, even if XP can't run 200 apps, I can't see why it would ever be necessary. At 100 apps it's pretty much insanity and I had to run absolutely everything (some things two or three times, and browser over a dozen seperate processes). As long as it's stable for what you do run, then I guess your OS of choice is fine and dandy.
Certainly is a far cry from the good old DOS days! :D
@Jhwk: On a Mac, all documents are shown as being within a single instance of their respective applications, so the definition wouldn't really be an issue in that respect.
@puhsitch: that's not really true. multiple instances of the same application can share a single copy of the instruction sequence in memory. any OS that doesn't do that these days is several decades behind the times. but the point is that two copies of the same application != two copies of two different applications.
unfortunately, demonstrating that you can not crash when running lots of processes is a really crappy test. basic UNIX variants have been able to do this for decades, so its not exactly the forefront of computing. what's a more interesting test for the OS is the aggregate performance of the applications, since that speaks to the resource management capabilities of the OS (although you'd have to install two different OS's on the same hardware in order to be certain you were avoiding performance differences from hardware).
@Accelerata: Thanks, you much more eloquently crystalized my thoughts. Have 200 concurrently open apps (even if they are all unique instances, or completely seperate apps) is not necessarily indicative that all is well in computerville. I highly doubt he could have gotten anything done in Photoshop, or run World of Warcraft, or City of Heroes with adequate performance with all of that there. In such a case, what is the point? It's akin to the "phonebooth stuffing" fad of the 1950s... somewhat amusing and impressive in a curious way, but certainly serves no useful function.
I still believe that it only underscores that there was a lot of RAM, and probably a lot of disk paging going on. I'm not saying that it's not impressive, because in a geeky, absolutely useless way, it is.
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It only went 241 miles. Not 341. This is no where even close to the Solectria Sunrise's 375 miles during the 1996 American Tour de Sol.
I hate to call you out like this, Giz, but who's editing this stuff? This is a brazenly obvious and flagrant error.
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Record is 375 miles.
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Ableton Live
Activity Monitor (duh!)
Adobe Dreamweaver
Adobe Flash
Adobe Photoshop
Adium
Calculator
Cocktail
Final Cut
Firefox
Font Book
GarageBand
Google Earth
Growl
iCal
iChat
iMovie
iSquint
iTunes
Internet Explorer
Limewire
Mail
Microsoft Powerpoint
Microsoft Word
Pacifist
Parallels
Quicktime
Real Player
Skype
Sound Studio
Soundtrack Pro
Sticky Notes
Stuffit Expander
Synergy
System Preferences
TextWrangler
Transmission
VLC
Xcode (?)
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But couldn't you just open 200 different instances of the same program? Then try having them all do the same intensive task simultaneously.
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Maybe if I get bored.
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wouldn't that be considered a kickback though?
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Maybe I should buy a Zune :P
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But I understand, I used to support Apple. You have look for things to do.
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+ I didn't know apple had 200 programs... :)
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If so, then RAM and paging would pretty much do the trick, and then any currently running "foreground" app, like the video chat, would get priority and the app would essentially be dead in the water.
I would like to know if he was able to have any of those apps actively processing data, image editing, transcoding video, downloading files, de/compressing archives, etc, etc.
Having 200+ apps running is largely a feat of RAM and disk paging, but doesn't necessarily speak for the stability of the OS (though potentially might). The most telling is that it took 15 minutes to open them all, which, to me, indicates a lot of RAM and disk paging activity and overall system slowdown in terms of prioritizing memory segmentation.
As far as I know (which isn't far, I'm not a Mac user) iChat 4.0 is optimized to take advantage of dual core and video hardware acceleration, so I imagine it would perform decently despite (many) other apps loitering in the background.
I'm not saying it isn't a feat, but I do wonder what, if anything, it proves, other than the fact that some people will do nearly anything (regardless of how practical or informative) to prove the supposed superiority of a given platform. The only thing I'm inclined to call shenanigans on is that he claimed 15 minutes to open 200 apps. That would be an average of 4.5 seconds per app from click to read-state (unless he made a script that opened them all and it took 15 minutes to process, page, etc). Still seems suspect.
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I guess, even if XP can't run 200 apps, I can't see why it would ever be necessary. At 100 apps it's pretty much insanity and I had to run absolutely everything (some things two or three times, and browser over a dozen seperate processes). As long as it's stable for what you do run, then I guess your OS of choice is fine and dandy.
Certainly is a far cry from the good old DOS days! :D
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unfortunately, demonstrating that you can not crash when running lots of processes is a really crappy test. basic UNIX variants have been able to do this for decades, so its not exactly the forefront of computing. what's a more interesting test for the OS is the aggregate performance of the applications, since that speaks to the resource management capabilities of the OS (although you'd have to install two different OS's on the same hardware in order to be certain you were avoiding performance differences from hardware).
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I still believe that it only underscores that there was a lot of RAM, and probably a lot of disk paging going on. I'm not saying that it's not impressive, because in a geeky, absolutely useless way, it is.
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I can't think of 50 apps open, forget 200!
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it's what power-plant capable jetpacks crave
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