Interesting stats, but I would be truly interested in seeing a smart phone to compete with BlackBerry in the corporate marketplace. That is where the "real" money is, and as long as RIM is alone with the BES and BlackBerry devices, they will continue to grow in the market place creating some acceptable but hardly overwhelming products.
Apple, on the other hand, is going to have serious competition in the years ahead from Android.
In any case, it is neat to see the market shifting so dramatically in such a relatively short period of time. #smartphonemarketshare
@Monty: How is the "real" money in the corporate marketplace? there are over 100 million people in the US who are potential smartphone users. The potential number of device sales to corporate America can't be more than 20% of that. #smartphonemarketshare
@CraigJ: Well, okay - I exaggerated slightly. That said, the focus in the media and nearly every web site is the iPhone, which is still behind the BlackBerry in sales. It is not because the BlackBerry is a better device - it is because the corporate marketplace has no choice but to stick with it. I would love to see Apple release a corporate iPhone (and server for managing a fleet of iPhones), or an Android entry into the space - but it has not happened. So, as Apple is competing for the consumer marketplace where there are numerous competitors, RIM will continue to have their profit pouring in. Great for those lovely folks in Canada, but maybe not the greatest for innovation in the business world. #smartphonemarketshare
@Monty: What is holding corporate accounts away from iPhone? I could see it before exchange support and remote wipe, but what is the big draw to a blackberry over an iPhone for corporate use now? File editing? Is there decent office support on BB? #smartphonemarketshare
@Monty: IMO...( gulp! ..dont hit me!! ) WinMo phones could have done it ...I think they still have a small chance if they can manage to update their OS and do a little smart advertising ... If you ( not you per say) consider the fact that you can grab a phone with all the aplications needed with out having to shell out money for them...(like BB).... and just go.
My dissatisfaction with BB led me to use a Korean made WinMo phone and it's surprisingly good (for business aplications, and a few other things).... compared to RIM.... what nightmare they were. #smartphonemarketshare
@Justin Paulson: The reason the iPhone is not only not an option for corporate support but is now actively considered Abaddon in slick black is related to the following:
1. Apple made it seem their device locally encrypted information and never told anyone that it did not.
2. Apple lied to Exchange Servers saying it was locally encrypting the data when it was not.
(FYI: These two lies put corporations in litigation peril since they are held to confidentiality agreements and encryption standards, such as national HIPAA regulations. In other words - major problem.)
3. Apple released a patch that was an insignificant fix for problems that "fixed" this little white lie.
4. That "fix" that was not communicated broke all earlier iPhones from being able to connect to properly configured Exchange 2007 servers.
5. Tech departments from all over the world received countless trouble tickets saying their iPhones no longer worked and blamed it on the corporation, not their beloved company in Cupertino.
6. After getting the facts, companies everywhere started denying access to email data (for obvious reasons) to any iPhone devices, many setting it as company policy.
Oh, sure, there are other problems, too - like being able to control what functions of the iPhone are available to staff - being able to remotely destory the data (corporate necessity), being able to push out applications to each device, etc and so on.
I could go on, but you get the idea.. The iPhone is not a corporate device. Not yet, at least, and given the track record, probably not for a long time. #smartphonemarketshare
@Googlo: We have a few staff in our office that love WinMo devices. I do think that WinMo had an opportunity in the business world to compete with RIM, but right now Microsoft is virtually ignored. Unfortunate. #smartphonemarketshare
The Verizon curve has WiFi?! Huzzah for waiting on my upgrade! I love my 8330 and have been waiting for a decent option to upgrade to. #lgchocolatetouch
Opera Mini isn't really that bad on my Curve. It's real fast and you can even do the whole "iPhone thing" of seeing the entire page and zooming in where you want. This still would be nice, though. #blackberrywebkit
But the Blackberry already has a physical keyboard! So it's a better web device than the other ones, like the iPhone! Remember? REMEMBER? #blackberrywebkit
@tande04: browsing is definitely way better on the iphone, and their copy paste feature is fantastic it actually will copy the html so when you paste it you get the same look, font, layout etc. However, the physically keyboard of the blackberry is the best, coming from bb I miss it, though iphone texting is fine
@opanitch: Eh, that was my over all point. I've never seen the keyboard mentioned as an essential feature for the "web" part of any phone.
Personally I'm not a big fan of navigating a webpage with a trackball either but even then thats never been part of the keyboard/no keyboard debate that I've ever experienced. That debate usually falls to the tactile nature of a physical keyboard and the benefits there of as opposed to a virtual one.
@jamesdelacroixv: Browsing on anything is better then browsing on a blackberry. Thats not really a question (after all thats why they wrote the article). But the physical/virtual nature of a keyboard has nothing to do with it. If anything I'd say that the virtual keyboard makes it worse since you lose so much screen space to the keyboard you don't always know what field your in. #blackberrywebkit
@tande04: Many of my friends use that as the sole fallback as to why the iPhone or similar device is inferior to the Blackberry devices. After I ask them directly if they would ever even use some of the other features, such as the openness of the OS, the only thing they have left to say is "Well, at least mine has a real keyboard!"
Besides, with my man-sized hands, virtual keyboards that work well are much better than the finger hopscotch I do on the "real thing." #blackberrywebkit
@AlabamaIceman: But not solely in terms of web browsing. Your friends may not know all the little tech bits (which brings up the question which of those are "open") of what their phone can do but even that doesn't really have to do with its usefulness one way another while on the internet.
Plus generally speaking physical keyboards are preferred over virtual for people with larger hands. You are defiantly the first I've ever seen say that. #blackberrywebkit
I have the Storm 1. I've updated to the 5.0 OS and so far it's made some very good improvements as far as responsiveness launching apps, email, and even typing and the pos screen is a lot better than before. 4.78 or whatever helped a lot as well but this new 5 is really great.
Imo the Storm isnt for business, cause if you have to type 100 emails, notes, memos a day on this thing you'd wish you'd stuck with a real keyboard....as I do!
Storm would be fine for a general purpose phone but come Feb I'm getting a BB with a keyboard! #blackberrystorm2
I appreciate the review - it is excellent, and appears quite accurate. We actually have one coming in next week for our office to test.
Even though this is a nit picky comment, the focus appears to be on the device as a consumer product competing against the iPhone and Droid. The problem with that is that the Storm 2 will primarily sell to businesses. I do not believe there is a competing business touchscreen product out there. The iPhone gave the middle finger salute to businesses with their Exchange mess. The Pre and Droid have not made their systems ideal for business customers and do not offer a small percentage of what a BES unit and BlackBerry device can for securing the phone. Unless I am missing something, the Storm 2 is the only game in town.
My comment is nit picky (if you hadn't picked this up, which I am sure you did) because those other devices are the only thing to compare it to, and certainly BlackBerry needs to be moving further in getting an iPhone OS quality device. All of the issues you mentioned need to be fixed. But, if I am shopping for a touch screen device for folks at my office, there appears to be only one choice at the moment. #blackberrystorm2
@Monty: How many business customers got the original Storm, though? I don't see many business customers lining up to get touchscreen Blackberries, especially ones where they can't type as fast as they could on, say a Curve or a Tour. #blackberrystorm2
@s73v3r: We didn't buy a Storm because we tested it first. From what I have read, the Storm 2 clears up the major problems with the original (ignoring the fact that it really needs an entirely new OS for it to be iPhone-like), so that is a major step forward. We have execs that would prefer to have the larger screen, and many begging for something that looks more iPhone like, even though it is not as good. So, if it passes our own testing, we may have half of our staff using these. Personally, I think the Tour is their best phone, but it is nice to see their touchscreen device getting good enough to maybe even use. #blackberrystorm2
What RIM/Verizon should do is offer a no-questions-asked upgrade path for purchasers of the original Storm. I don't mind paying SOMETHING, but I'm not going to sign up for another two years of suffering.
@mfielden: Does Verizon prorate your contract amount (penalty) for upgrading early? If so, they technically have that in place already, but I am not certain that is true. #blackberrystorm2
@Monty: You can do annual upgrades but you have to be on a high price plan and only the primary number can do it on family share plans.
But the Storm1 came out around Thanksgiving last year so you would still have to wait another month from now. The Droid will be out and about by then though. #blackberrystorm2
The Software Update Monday for the Storm 1 has improved the Phone enough that I can actually use it now!
If you have the original , I highly recommend the new software update #blackberrystorm2
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Apple, on the other hand, is going to have serious competition in the years ahead from Android.
In any case, it is neat to see the market shifting so dramatically in such a relatively short period of time. #smartphonemarketshare
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My dissatisfaction with BB led me to use a Korean made WinMo phone and it's surprisingly good (for business aplications, and a few other things).... compared to RIM.... what nightmare they were. #smartphonemarketshare
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1. Apple made it seem their device locally encrypted information and never told anyone that it did not.
2. Apple lied to Exchange Servers saying it was locally encrypting the data when it was not.
(FYI: These two lies put corporations in litigation peril since they are held to confidentiality agreements and encryption standards, such as national HIPAA regulations. In other words - major problem.)
3. Apple released a patch that was an insignificant fix for problems that "fixed" this little white lie.
4. That "fix" that was not communicated broke all earlier iPhones from being able to connect to properly configured Exchange 2007 servers.
5. Tech departments from all over the world received countless trouble tickets saying their iPhones no longer worked and blamed it on the corporation, not their beloved company in Cupertino.
6. After getting the facts, companies everywhere started denying access to email data (for obvious reasons) to any iPhone devices, many setting it as company policy.
Oh, sure, there are other problems, too - like being able to control what functions of the iPhone are available to staff - being able to remotely destory the data (corporate necessity), being able to push out applications to each device, etc and so on.
I could go on, but you get the idea.. The iPhone is not a corporate device. Not yet, at least, and given the track record, probably not for a long time. #smartphonemarketshare
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I've always held that physical keyboard is better than virtual but thats never been because of the browser. #blackberrywebkit
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Personally I'm not a big fan of navigating a webpage with a trackball either but even then thats never been part of the keyboard/no keyboard debate that I've ever experienced. That debate usually falls to the tactile nature of a physical keyboard and the benefits there of as opposed to a virtual one.
@jamesdelacroixv: Browsing on anything is better then browsing on a blackberry. Thats not really a question (after all thats why they wrote the article). But the physical/virtual nature of a keyboard has nothing to do with it. If anything I'd say that the virtual keyboard makes it worse since you lose so much screen space to the keyboard you don't always know what field your in. #blackberrywebkit
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Besides, with my man-sized hands, virtual keyboards that work well are much better than the finger hopscotch I do on the "real thing." #blackberrywebkit
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Plus generally speaking physical keyboards are preferred over virtual for people with larger hands. You are defiantly the first I've ever seen say that. #blackberrywebkit
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Imo the Storm isnt for business, cause if you have to type 100 emails, notes, memos a day on this thing you'd wish you'd stuck with a real keyboard....as I do!
Storm would be fine for a general purpose phone but come Feb I'm getting a BB with a keyboard! #blackberrystorm2
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Even though this is a nit picky comment, the focus appears to be on the device as a consumer product competing against the iPhone and Droid. The problem with that is that the Storm 2 will primarily sell to businesses. I do not believe there is a competing business touchscreen product out there. The iPhone gave the middle finger salute to businesses with their Exchange mess. The Pre and Droid have not made their systems ideal for business customers and do not offer a small percentage of what a BES unit and BlackBerry device can for securing the phone. Unless I am missing something, the Storm 2 is the only game in town.
My comment is nit picky (if you hadn't picked this up, which I am sure you did) because those other devices are the only thing to compare it to, and certainly BlackBerry needs to be moving further in getting an iPhone OS quality device. All of the issues you mentioned need to be fixed. But, if I am shopping for a touch screen device for folks at my office, there appears to be only one choice at the moment. #blackberrystorm2
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But the Storm1 came out around Thanksgiving last year so you would still have to wait another month from now. The Droid will be out and about by then though. #blackberrystorm2
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This is what I think of when I hear "Four piezo-electric buttons that live under the screen". How accurate is this? #blackberrystorm2
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If you have the original , I highly recommend the new software update #blackberrystorm2
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