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I have a decent job and I pay for my media, movies, music etc.... sometimes I pay for crap and it pisses me off, but that's why the interwebs are so handy, we get to voice our opinions about everything, and review everything.
So some of us will get stung by crap purchases and let everyone else know it's crap.
The best way for consumers to affect the MAN is with our wallets.
My guess is the reason most of you use the torrent system to pirate is because you dont have the money to purchase products you want.
Even though the large pirates operate outside the bounds of the law little pirates still act as promoters of content by pirating it.
Maybe the MAN needs to figure out a way to help the have nots get the stuff they want, ad supported maybe??
You know what scares you straight? Watching people get arrested and some sent to jail. One bust in 99 sent a few up the river and a massive one in 2001 sent plenty more.
The last time I got caught was for downloading the BF2 expansion packs - Euro Force and Armored Fury. It was only after I downloaded them and had copyright violation notice in hand that I realized that they were completely worthless without a unique CD key since the installations are tied to your BF2 account and persistent stat tracking.
@Alfisted: Perhaps it seems like it, but serving up a different page than the one you asked for is not "hacking" your computer. If you've ever seen a welcome/logon screen for many wifi networks it's the same thing.
As someone who has to deal with confused, unknowledgable computer users on a fairly regular basis, I am less than pleased to discover that such a big ISP is resorting to misinformation and scare tactics to get someone to stop file-sharing. Claiming that peer-to-peer programs "can lead to identity theft" and can contain "viruses and pornography" may certainly have some truth to them, but they act as though peer-to-peer programs are somehow unique and extra dangerous in this respect. A browser can lead you to viruses and porn just as easily (if not easier) than a P2P program. They don't bother clarifying how you could use a P2P program properly, preferring instead to condemn the whole dang protocol. I mean, heck didn't Mininova just go legit? I suppose they still deserve to be run out of business?
I suppose it wouldn't bother me as much (though still quite a bit) if the information wasn't completely out of place in an infringement notification. If you're infringing, you likely know how. If you don't know how, this P2P talk is just gonna make your computer an even scarier demon.
You're sort of right, Kyle. They're not assuming you're a criminal. They're assuming you're an idiot.
@OCEntertainment: Hmm, I'd say you've never been in a house with parents and kids using the same computer?
Lots of parents have no clue what's running in the background of the family computer, and that Jr. has a bunch of illegal downloads running while Dad is checking his stock.
I think this Web browser warning is a great way to hopefully give parents a heads up on possible problems they could be in from irresponsible kids doing this.
@screemname: I'd imagine OCEntertainment's been in a house with parents and kids using the same computer, but you make valid points. If my kid was doing this stuff and I didn't know I'd appreciate my ISP sending me a reminder that my kid might need the leather end of my belt against their hindparts!
Isn't this some many kinds of illegal? Like spam/malware illegal that keeps producing popups and tabs of advertisers websites and online casinos?
Screw them. Telus can send me all the warnings they want I keep jacking up my download rate each time just to let them know they aren't getting to me.
And thats only after 1 warning, when I did maybe 10gb a month. Now I pull 10gb every few days just to spite them. And they can't do shit. Otherwise I would have been disconnected a while ago.
@aniteshj: @dragonfire312: They did not hack any computer, all that the ISP did was re-direct the traffic, just like a motel or airport's WiFi service does to make you pay to use the service, or what Comcast does if you mistype a URL.
'I am aware of this issue and will take steps to resolve it'
I wonder if by clicking on that link, basically saying you agree to the terms they are stating in the browser intrusion, you are opening up yourself to liability to being prosecuted by the RIAA/MPAA etc. should you transfer a 'suspect' file in the future. Ponies or any other attorneys want to weigh in on this?
@EBone: Indeed. That was my first thought. Clicking that qualifies as some sort of admission of guilt. Hard to say. I probably would have force quit the browser to get out of it without clicking.
@Kyle VanHemert: I'm not trying to scare you. Based on your scroll bars, your screen shot didn't show the entire webpage. Was there any other language we didn't see?
nah, you aren't required to be informed of laws in order to be prosecuted for breaking them. it wouldn't even help their case since a click isn't legally admissible given that it's not possible to identify who clicked it.
@nutbastard: No, you don't have to be informed of laws to be prosecuted, but it sure makes things a lot easier. Also, it's not possible to identify just who torrented files, but that hasn't stopped the RIAA from going after people. Wasn't there a case a couple years back where grandma said it was her 10-year old granddaughter who downloaded the files, but the RIAA didn't care, it was grandma's computer and they were prosecuting her.
It's a good thing that they alerted you. Surely you were "not aware" that these file-sharing activities were happening on your computer, what with all the malicious third parties out there.
@Slinkytech: They can't, but they can tell if you're filesharing by the type of traffic you're generating (e.g. constant stream of data being uploaded/downloaded, multiple concurrent connections to different IPs over the same ports, etc.). Plus if the copyright holder submits a complaint, it's because the user's IP is publicly available due to them using a public tracker, and this IP can be traced to the user.
@Slinkytech: they don't really monitor what you download, they monitor hashtags of popular torrents and thats how they find them listed under your host machine.
@Slinkytech: In my case they got a letter from warner brothers an knew what movie i downloaded an everything.
What happens is they put out fake files or become peers on files an just get you IP adress
@Slinkytech: What? Large Bitorrent files take up huge amounts of bandwidth, clogging the 'tubes'. And if its the entire Buffy tv series that would probably piss off any ISP provider enough to send a C&D letter.
@YoungethKinsaul: This is indeed what they do, why bother going to the ISP and trying to figure out what stream is what, all they have to do is connect to the stream. Sometimes they do put out fake or broken torrents just for the sake of frustrating downloaders and contaminating shares.
Some time ago, a company that worked for the studios was discovered to be sharing torrent parts that had identical hashes but were junk, in effect poisoning the stream and ruining everybody's download.
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@KingRadical: petaflops-per-second would mean that for every second, the supercomputer would increase its floating point operation power by 10.4x10^15. #jaguar
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So some of us will get stung by crap purchases and let everyone else know it's crap.
The best way for consumers to affect the MAN is with our wallets.
My guess is the reason most of you use the torrent system to pirate is because you dont have the money to purchase products you want.
Even though the large pirates operate outside the bounds of the law little pirates still act as promoters of content by pirating it.
Maybe the MAN needs to figure out a way to help the have nots get the stuff they want, ad supported maybe??
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Oh, the irony.
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i bought special forces directly from ea and can't friggin install it, go figure
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My bird got to read it for the day after his cage was cleaned.
Don't click things like that. I just close it and open a new window.
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I don't really have a problem with this, I just find it a tad ironic.
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I suppose it wouldn't bother me as much (though still quite a bit) if the information wasn't completely out of place in an infringement notification. If you're infringing, you likely know how. If you don't know how, this P2P talk is just gonna make your computer an even scarier demon.
You're sort of right, Kyle. They're not assuming you're a criminal. They're assuming you're an idiot.
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Lots of parents have no clue what's running in the background of the family computer, and that Jr. has a bunch of illegal downloads running while Dad is checking his stock.
I think this Web browser warning is a great way to hopefully give parents a heads up on possible problems they could be in from irresponsible kids doing this.
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Screw them. Telus can send me all the warnings they want I keep jacking up my download rate each time just to let them know they aren't getting to me.
And thats only after 1 warning, when I did maybe 10gb a month. Now I pull 10gb every few days just to spite them. And they can't do shit. Otherwise I would have been disconnected a while ago.
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Nothing illegal there.
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I wonder if by clicking on that link, basically saying you agree to the terms they are stating in the browser intrusion, you are opening up yourself to liability to being prosecuted by the RIAA/MPAA etc. should you transfer a 'suspect' file in the future. Ponies or any other attorneys want to weigh in on this?
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nah, you aren't required to be informed of laws in order to be prosecuted for breaking them. it wouldn't even help their case since a click isn't legally admissible given that it's not possible to identify who clicked it.
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What happens is they put out fake files or become peers on files an just get you IP adress
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Some time ago, a company that worked for the studios was discovered to be sharing torrent parts that had identical hashes but were junk, in effect poisoning the stream and ruining everybody's download.
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Also, typo:
'Then it surpassed IBM's _10.4_ petaflop/s supercomputer' #jaguar
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