I'm glad to see that the Roku hardware is still being developed, but these two offerings seem disappointing to me.
First of all, I see no market for the Roku SD model. Composite video is OK for folks still using old CRT monitors -- but then again, how many of those folks would have any idea what a Roku was anyway. And by saving $20 now, anyone would be locking themselves out of being able to upgrade the to HD if they upgrade their TV in the future.
As for the HD-XR, $30 is way too much extra to charge for just the wireless-N card. In fact, this should have been the minimal replacement for the original Roku HD at the same price point. I don't know if Roku intends to keep the HD and the HD-XR on the market simultaneously for long, but it seems like the HD should be dis-continued now. I'll have to wait until the firmware upgrade to see what the HD-XR is really bringing to the table, but right now I feel silly for anxiously awaiting this upgrade.
What would really seal the deal for me would be access to streaming media from a NAS or home server. Maybe then I could finally replace my aging XBOX (original) running XBMC (but probably not!)
@salviati: Only slightly over a third of U.S. households have an HDTV currently, according to Nielsen figures and other industry estimates. As for "how many of those folks would have any idea what a Roku was anyway"... Netflix was aggressively marketing the device in the mailer envelopes with every DVD they mailed. My mother, who is by no means a techie or gadget geek, bought her Roku, set it up herself and was watching content within minutes.
There's something to be said for simplicity and hardware that doesn't aim over the heads of the populace. The $20 saved on buying an SD model (for an SD TV owner) is a little over two months of Netflix membership.
The Roku fills a sweet spot for people who want more content but may not have the knowledge, or need, for HTPCs, NASs, extensive codec support, etc. Even a lot of SD content via the Roku is better than a pile of confusing equipment and acronyms for someone who, like my mom, just wants to enjoy episodes of British comedies, Law & Order and a few movies now and then. She is among those that might eventually have to buy an HDTV, but actually couldn't care less about 720 or 1080, and just wants to enjoy the content. I strongly suspect that there are a lot of folks out there in that demographic who are capable of setting up a Roku, and who would not scoff at a selection of SD content. #rokuhdxr
@met2art: Sorry if my comment seemed snarky towards people who are perfectly happy with SD content. I am no HD snob. My sole TV is actually an older 480p plasma and I am perfectly happy with it - albeit with component video rather than RCA.
However, it seems silly to me for Roku to devote resources to create a crippled version of their standard device for such a small cost savings. One of the great things I though Roku did was to release a single device with known abilities rather than sectioning up the market, causing confusion. Now, instead of just talking to someone about the 'Roku box', they will have to specify which box. I would have prefered a direct replacement upgrade of the Roku HD with the HD-XR rather than expanding it to a series.
As far as cost goes, $20 is a minimal savings. But what you loose is the ability to integrate the box into an HD or fully-digital system in the future. Instead, you would have to spend a fresh $100 (or $130). Right now, I can easily integrate the $100 Roku box into my home theatre with analog inputs, with the knowledge that when I upgrade my TV next year to HDMI, I won't have to buy a new box to go with it. Perhaps the Roku SD makes sense at ~$50, but not at $80. #rokuhdxr
@salviati: Those are good points. I would prefer to see an SD Roku box as a subsidized option with an upgraded Netflix account, and the new HD-XR box as a premium option. I think they'd dramatically increase ownership, and then people would have the incentive to buy the premium box for HD and extended features. But, the existing box at $50 would probably sway a lot of people as well. Netflix streaming is pretty popular now with so many devices supporting it, I don't think they are hurting for sales. #rokuhdxr
I love how gadget writers always make the argument that "you could just do that with a PC", and completely ignore the fact that many, many people don't have the skills or the inclination to roll their own, and are very happy to have a device that's single-purpose and dirt-simple to operate. #rokuxr
@MikeK: Nail on head.
HTPC's are great. I'm prepping to build one right now. But even with the advent of cheap, HD capable hardware, and software improvements like 7MC, HTPC's are still for the 1%-ers. Difficulties with remotes, hardware, codecs, software are still a minefield for the vast majority. HTPC's are still for the hobbyists, or those willing to pay professionals/professional hobbyists.
Turn it on; press play. That's where it's at. Most people want to watch the movie, not troubleshoot it. #rokuxr
I have a roku in the bedroom and I have definitely gotten my money's worth for it.
Yeah, I have my home theater set up in the living room where the Roku would be pointless, but I also have a tv in the bedroom which a much more barebones system- just a cablebox, tv, cheap blu-ray player and speakers. With this box I was (cheaply) able to get movies on demand from Netflix that I can watch before I go to sleep without dealing with hooking up a notebook. Also it is small which is important since my tv is just on my dresser- I couldn't even fit an HTPC if I could afford it.
Now with all of that, would I pay extra for wireless-n or usb? Definitely not, but the Roku for $99 is more than worth it. #rokuxr
@SpudMills: For the content channels being currently delivered, the DVD quality video and stereo audio is great. At the current cost versus the amount of content I can watch, I think the trade off is well within acceptable limits.
Last month I watched nearly 15 hours of documentaries, and probably 10 to 12 hours of various classic films and episodic television, via Netflix streaming. That's in addition to the 3 movies I got on DVD. Since I already had an "unlimited" plan, I'm not paying any more for Netflix than I already was. I estimate, base don my viewing habits, that my Roku cost has come to about 2 cents per movie watched.
Not to mention that the majority of the available library isn't available in surround, so it's no big loss. Given that they've already added HD and other streaming channels, I'm sure multichannel sound isn't far off. But to deny the convenience or value of Netflix based on lack of it seems rather impetuous. But, I suppose we all have our high standards to maintain.
I've said before, Netflix streaming (especially via Roku) is great, but not for everyone. One must realize that the content is not premium "first run" movies (If you're looking for HD & surround sound to flex your AV muscles, then move along). That being said, what is there is a treasure trove of entertainment for the viewer who enjoys finding forgotten movie gems, underrated series, and documentaries.
@iatacs19: Probably for the same reason Sony didn't get Fallout 3 DLC... Sony prefers exclusives. Also, they want to pay less than everyone else and make more for themselves. In the end they get nothing and pass along the savings to you, the customer with a lower console pri... oh, wait.
@sir_eccles: I concur... the appeal of the Roku is the low cost for lots of content. The movie selection is not as crappy as people make it out to be, and there is a plethora of documentaries, science and nature shows as well. To @VincentioSnipe, the appeal of the Roku is not new movies. One quick look into the product and a consumer knows that. It fills its niche quite nicely.
If you have a Roku you're already getting at least one DVD per month from Netflix, so to me it doens't make sense to pay so much for Amazon's content via the Roku. With no internal storage in the Roku, I certainly don't want to pay $15 to stream a movie I can't keep, when that's equal to the actual DVD release price.
@sega8800: I think you're reading it wrong; they're proposing that you would have the option of just getting the streaming content without the need to have any disc rentals at all. Right now the only way you can get streaming content is by being a subscriber to something, even if it's one disc or whatever.
It's been reported to work great with pushing songs to Denon 4308 and 3808 AVRs. User wasn't even expecting it but they showed up in the drop down list and worked great. Hopefully it's the same case for many network aware appliances.
@Nekrik: Yep, there are a lot of unofficial Play To sightings out thereāa few people have mentioned different products in these comments. I have asked the DLNA to publish the official list, and when they do, we'll run it. It's just tricky because there's no guarantee a DLNA 1.0 product will work by default, and Microsoft itself is keeping pretty mum about compatibility until they iron out their kinks.
10/27/09
Revision3 has already been announced. Pandora and Flickr were leaked in the process.
TWiT via MediaFly has also been announced.
Until the usability of the USB port is defined, it's hard to justify $30 for WiFi-N. #rokuhdxr
10/27/09
First of all, I see no market for the Roku SD model. Composite video is OK for folks still using old CRT monitors -- but then again, how many of those folks would have any idea what a Roku was anyway. And by saving $20 now, anyone would be locking themselves out of being able to upgrade the to HD if they upgrade their TV in the future.
As for the HD-XR, $30 is way too much extra to charge for just the wireless-N card. In fact, this should have been the minimal replacement for the original Roku HD at the same price point. I don't know if Roku intends to keep the HD and the HD-XR on the market simultaneously for long, but it seems like the HD should be dis-continued now. I'll have to wait until the firmware upgrade to see what the HD-XR is really bringing to the table, but right now I feel silly for anxiously awaiting this upgrade.
What would really seal the deal for me would be access to streaming media from a NAS or home server. Maybe then I could finally replace my aging XBOX (original) running XBMC (but probably not!)
10/27/09
There's something to be said for simplicity and hardware that doesn't aim over the heads of the populace. The $20 saved on buying an SD model (for an SD TV owner) is a little over two months of Netflix membership.
The Roku fills a sweet spot for people who want more content but may not have the knowledge, or need, for HTPCs, NASs, extensive codec support, etc. Even a lot of SD content via the Roku is better than a pile of confusing equipment and acronyms for someone who, like my mom, just wants to enjoy episodes of British comedies, Law & Order and a few movies now and then. She is among those that might eventually have to buy an HDTV, but actually couldn't care less about 720 or 1080, and just wants to enjoy the content. I strongly suspect that there are a lot of folks out there in that demographic who are capable of setting up a Roku, and who would not scoff at a selection of SD content. #rokuhdxr
10/27/09
However, it seems silly to me for Roku to devote resources to create a crippled version of their standard device for such a small cost savings. One of the great things I though Roku did was to release a single device with known abilities rather than sectioning up the market, causing confusion. Now, instead of just talking to someone about the 'Roku box', they will have to specify which box. I would have prefered a direct replacement upgrade of the Roku HD with the HD-XR rather than expanding it to a series.
As far as cost goes, $20 is a minimal savings. But what you loose is the ability to integrate the box into an HD or fully-digital system in the future. Instead, you would have to spend a fresh $100 (or $130). Right now, I can easily integrate the $100 Roku box into my home theatre with analog inputs, with the knowledge that when I upgrade my TV next year to HDMI, I won't have to buy a new box to go with it. Perhaps the Roku SD makes sense at ~$50, but not at $80. #rokuhdxr
10/27/09
10/19/09
10/20/09
HTPC's are great. I'm prepping to build one right now. But even with the advent of cheap, HD capable hardware, and software improvements like 7MC, HTPC's are still for the 1%-ers. Difficulties with remotes, hardware, codecs, software are still a minefield for the vast majority. HTPC's are still for the hobbyists, or those willing to pay professionals/professional hobbyists.
Turn it on; press play. That's where it's at. Most people want to watch the movie, not troubleshoot it. #rokuxr
10/19/09
Yeah, I have my home theater set up in the living room where the Roku would be pointless, but I also have a tv in the bedroom which a much more barebones system- just a cablebox, tv, cheap blu-ray player and speakers. With this box I was (cheaply) able to get movies on demand from Netflix that I can watch before I go to sleep without dealing with hooking up a notebook. Also it is small which is important since my tv is just on my dresser- I couldn't even fit an HTPC if I could afford it.
Now with all of that, would I pay extra for wireless-n or usb? Definitely not, but the Roku for $99 is more than worth it. #rokuxr
06/02/09
06/02/09
Is that a major scoop or poor fact checking. Sony didn't drop any bombshells like that at their E3 conference today.
06/02/09
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03/23/09
03/23/09
Last month I watched nearly 15 hours of documentaries, and probably 10 to 12 hours of various classic films and episodic television, via Netflix streaming. That's in addition to the 3 movies I got on DVD. Since I already had an "unlimited" plan, I'm not paying any more for Netflix than I already was. I estimate, base don my viewing habits, that my Roku cost has come to about 2 cents per movie watched.
Not to mention that the majority of the available library isn't available in surround, so it's no big loss. Given that they've already added HD and other streaming channels, I'm sure multichannel sound isn't far off. But to deny the convenience or value of Netflix based on lack of it seems rather impetuous. But, I suppose we all have our high standards to maintain.
I've said before, Netflix streaming (especially via Roku) is great, but not for everyone. One must realize that the content is not premium "first run" movies (If you're looking for HD & surround sound to flex your AV muscles, then move along). That being said, what is there is a treasure trove of entertainment for the viewer who enjoys finding forgotten movie gems, underrated series, and documentaries.
03/23/09
03/23/09
I agree, why are PS3 owners left out?
03/23/09
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03/23/09
03/03/09
03/03/09
If you have a Roku you're already getting at least one DVD per month from Netflix, so to me it doens't make sense to pay so much for Amazon's content via the Roku. With no internal storage in the Roku, I certainly don't want to pay $15 to stream a movie I can't keep, when that's equal to the actual DVD release price.
02/20/09
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02/20/09
Also, it's much harder to "remember" streamed movies compared to DVDs, if you get what I'm talking about...
02/06/09
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