@yule-and-bellow: I enjoyed the comment, but I admit these always leave me puzzled. Are we saying that Windows is crap because they have to sell their stuff so cheap to get anyone to buy it, or are we saying that Apple is way too expensive? Maybe it is meant as a double joke. In any case, I laugh both ways and have a good time, basically, because I don't know any better. #hpbestbuypackage
@Monty: I'm not into taking shots too at companies too much. I just think 3 Windows 7's for the Price of One OSX is one awesome deal. #hpbestbuypackage
I really like Win7, and am super excited about the launch. I'm in the process of choosing my newest Win7 machine.
However, I truly believe that MS is trolling tech site comment boards in a very serious way leading up to this launch. This may not be an example, but I believe it's happening.
I know brands hire agencies to do this, because I'm somewhat familiar with the process and have been involved with it before.
For example: Over at Engadget, virtually EVERY pro-Apple comment has been demoted. I don't believe this would have been the case a year ago.
I much prefer the Giz's handling of comments (promoted vs. hidden), but even it's not impervious to such deliberate "attacks".
And, might I add, I felt the same thing around the time of the Zune HD launch, especially on Amazon.com.
It's a shame because it's deceptive. It's so clearly engineered to skew comment boards & product reviews at a time when MS's products are actually very high quality (i.e. they shouldn't need to do it).
@jfwaterburry: Did you notice that so far (as of the posting of this comment) the only shown comments for this article are a.) one that mentions that you get all that for less than a 13" MBP and b.) that someone else doesn't know whether MS sucks or Apple is overpriced and they don't know any better?
I'd say Giz has a mild case of Engadget's Syndrome. #hpbestbuypackage
@caine3320: Right now, in fact, there's zero comments on this article about Microsoft sucking at all, hidden or not. Actually, all the articles about Windows 7 just seem to have less trolling from Apple fanboys since it's technically not even out yet. Things that legitimately suck, like IE or Windows Mobile have many more negative comments. #hpbestbuypackage
@KTK1990: What I want to know is what that little phrase is supposed to MEAN?
Is is a 15k SAS drive, about the bare minimum I'd consider "Server class"? Is it marketing-speak for "fast", maybe a 10k SATA? Does it just mean that the new drives won't drop dead after a year and a half, like the old ones? Are they just charging more for it to put it in the same 'class' as a server drive?
for $140, you might as well throw in a few extra bones for airport extreme. I refuse to pay over $100 for any router, even if that means sticking with my Tomato-based WRT 54GL
@MaDog That's completely irrelevant, N is backwards compatible with B and G, that was always present in every pre-N spec and definitely in the finalized spec.
Having an N router means you get to use all bands but can enjoy the latest spec if you have supported devices.
@EdaFonzie: Yeah, B and G stuff will work with N, but what madog is saying is that the B and G items will drag your speed down to those levels. Your N devices will be wasted.
@badhatharry: Not exactly, I run an N router in my house and I'm the only one with an N compatible card so It's set to send out B, G, and N frequencies , but while they're connection is 54Mbps mine is usually around 144Mpbs. Yes it is diminished somewhat by broadcasting both, but I still have greater speeds, not to mention that it runs on the 5.0Ghz spectrum so suffers much less interference from some phones and microwaves.
@EdaFonzie: As (that's some) badhatharry said, it's not completely useless and is backwords compatible with previous mainstream wireless specs. It's just that I'm sure there are many other people in a similar position as myself that have a cell phone, game console, and old computer using the G spec, and a newer computer using N spec.
When anything other than N is connected to an N router, it physically slows down the entire wireless network to become backwords compatible making the N device not access at it's potential. Whether it actually matters or ones Internet connection is fast enough to utilize it is a different story, but it's why dual band routers exist if I wasn't clear on that before.
@madog: Yeah, since the tech specs on the site don't tout this as being dual-band I'm presuming it isn't. I've got the older WNDR3000 which is dual-band, but not gig-LAN. and DD-WRT works fantastic on it, if this one was dual band I would consider upgrading...
When working with a dual band router, you simply set one radio to be N only, and the other to be G/B or compatibility mode (depending on your software), DD-WRT sets them up as completely seperate APs with diff SSIDs and everything, you can even setup virtual APs based on one radio or the other with additional SSIDs for different auth protocols/DHCP servers/subnets/etc...
At this point I find N routers to be useless for many people. Anyone with multiple computers or other devices that use wifi but most likely still have B or G cards in them, like an iPhone or a Wii (or just about every phone and game system capable of wifi), wouldn't benefit to the fullest of the N spec. The fact that an N router will slow down the network if anything less than an N device is connected to it defeats the purpose in many scenarios (at least to my understanding).
If anyone is thinking about getting an N enabled router I would suggest getting a dual band router that can support both specs (G and N) individually and at their fullest speeds. At least until everything is N in the next couple years (when the next spec is being released), or unless you know all of your devices use it, or at the very least the B/G devices you own are not active at the same time as the others (and then when the speed is necessary).
This is kinda tasty. I think I want to setup a N network in my new house for gaming and streaming WMC. I don't know if I want to wait that long though. Anyone have a N router that they really like?
@Xeno: I really like the new Airport Extremes. I've had several N routers starting with the craptastic Linksys WRVS4400N (RMA'd a dozen times). I've also used the WRT600N and the Dlink DGL4500. They all had problems with dropping connections or just failing entirely after a couple of weeks or months. The Apple is by far the most consistent and reliable I've tried thus far... Simultaneous dual-band FTW!
@sirsycho: That's a possibility. I have had issues with that stupid application you have to run for configuring them in the past though. Why can't they be configured on a web page?
@Xeno: Netgear WNDR3000, near-current DD-WRT, rock solid, encrypted PPTP VPN, DynDNS, advanced routing is a snap, dual-band N|b/g, wake on lan deamon, QoS, fully functional (and correctly supported) uPnP.
Only drawback is no gig-LAN, and a giant blue LED array bubble that (unless they recently fixed it) you can't turn off when using DD-WRT...
Can't buy them retail anymore, but can prob find new ones on ebay hella cheap.
It would be cool if it could display real-time network/bandwidth info on the display, or maybe capture every image that goes through the router and display them on the screen.
Its kinda nice that the photo frame is there, but in the case of my limited hardware space, I have no room for this to sit upright and so its sort of useless on my rack of basically unpretty hardware.
Couldn't they have put a data screen in? I think it would be cool if you could output something like vital data(bandwidth usage, bandwidth left, etc...) right on the router.
I'll agree with the crowd here... some of those concepts are.. well, ok, in a design standpoint.
But calling those "the routers of the future" is a bit too much.
They are, and I'm being very nice here, on the same level as mods or furniture designs.
Some might look cool, some might make you think "I want one of those". But then comes the price, and even if it is fairly cheap, you'll say: Meh. I'll just stick to the standard ones. Maybe make a mod myself.
Also, tentacle jellyfish raping your laptop's ethernet port? It's not only completely useless to have something like that at home, it's also ugly (IMHO), weird/stupid, and most important of all: NOT the future.
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I really like Win7, and am super excited about the launch. I'm in the process of choosing my newest Win7 machine.
However, I truly believe that MS is trolling tech site comment boards in a very serious way leading up to this launch. This may not be an example, but I believe it's happening.
I know brands hire agencies to do this, because I'm somewhat familiar with the process and have been involved with it before.
For example: Over at Engadget, virtually EVERY pro-Apple comment has been demoted. I don't believe this would have been the case a year ago.
I much prefer the Giz's handling of comments (promoted vs. hidden), but even it's not impervious to such deliberate "attacks".
And, might I add, I felt the same thing around the time of the Zune HD launch, especially on Amazon.com.
It's a shame because it's deceptive. It's so clearly engineered to skew comment boards & product reviews at a time when MS's products are actually very high quality (i.e. they shouldn't need to do it).
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I'd say Giz has a mild case of Engadget's Syndrome. #hpbestbuypackage
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Is is a 15k SAS drive, about the bare minimum I'd consider "Server class"? Is it marketing-speak for "fast", maybe a 10k SATA? Does it just mean that the new drives won't drop dead after a year and a half, like the old ones? Are they just charging more for it to put it in the same 'class' as a server drive?
WHAT DOES 'SERVER CLASS' MEAN!? #timecapsule
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When you see lifespan outside of servers they are assuming that the drives will not be running 24/7/365.
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At least we got that out of the way...
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Having an N router means you get to use all bands but can enjoy the latest spec if you have supported devices.
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When anything other than N is connected to an N router, it physically slows down the entire wireless network to become backwords compatible making the N device not access at it's potential. Whether it actually matters or ones Internet connection is fast enough to utilize it is a different story, but it's why dual band routers exist if I wasn't clear on that before.
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When working with a dual band router, you simply set one radio to be N only, and the other to be G/B or compatibility mode (depending on your software), DD-WRT sets them up as completely seperate APs with diff SSIDs and everything, you can even setup virtual APs based on one radio or the other with additional SSIDs for different auth protocols/DHCP servers/subnets/etc...
it is amazingly versatile.
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If anyone is thinking about getting an N enabled router I would suggest getting a dual band router that can support both specs (G and N) individually and at their fullest speeds. At least until everything is N in the next couple years (when the next spec is being released), or unless you know all of your devices use it, or at the very least the B/G devices you own are not active at the same time as the others (and then when the speed is necessary).
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Only drawback is no gig-LAN, and a giant blue LED array bubble that (unless they recently fixed it) you can't turn off when using DD-WRT...
Can't buy them retail anymore, but can prob find new ones on ebay hella cheap.
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But calling those "the routers of the future" is a bit too much.
They are, and I'm being very nice here, on the same level as mods or furniture designs.
Some might look cool, some might make you think "I want one of those". But then comes the price, and even if it is fairly cheap, you'll say: Meh. I'll just stick to the standard ones. Maybe make a mod myself.
Also, tentacle jellyfish raping your laptop's ethernet port? It's not only completely useless to have something like that at home, it's also ugly (IMHO), weird/stupid, and most important of all: NOT the future.