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    Image of masonsturtle masonsturtle
    12/12/09

    In reply to Best Buy Finally Offers Legitimate Sale Prices
    What's the difference between a 600Hz Plasma and a 60Hz LCD?
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    Image of NotSoSiniSter NotSoSiniSter
    12/12/09

    @masonsturtle: plasma as of now, have better picture. lets say you had both tvs side by side, then you had a cnn headline going across the screen on both of them. The plasma one would stay very crisp, the LCD would get blurred. So during a fast action sequence in a movie, the video stays crisp on the plasma but it can get blurry on the LCD. Realisticly, you cant notice it unless you compare it side by side, even then, its not that bad.
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    Ryan_Long promoted this comment NotSoSiniSter was starred NotSoSiniSter was unstarred
    Image of Ryan_Long Ryan_Long
    12/12/09

    @NotSoSiniSter: This is very true. My argument FOR 60hz TVs is that motion blur is a naturally occurring thing. When things start to look too crisp, like a movie like Spider Man for instance, it begins to look fake. It can make even live action begin to look like CGI.
    I prefer blurriness and fuzz, because that's what real life looks like. Maybe it's because I have terrible vision and have to wear glasses- but it's all I know!
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    Image of Bigbadbikernerd Bigbadbikernerd
    12/12/09

    @Ryan_Long: Or maybe you grew up trying to make out a boob on the scrambled Playboy channel like I did...
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    Image of Badongadoodle Badongadoodle
    12/12/09

    @Bigbadbikernerd: oh. that's why I cant see shit now.
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    Ryan_Long promoted this comment Badongadoodle was starred Badongadoodle was unstarred
    Image of bustedchain bustedchain
    12/12/09

    @Ryan_Long: I thought that way at first, but I made myself enable the 120Hz on my TV for a while. I got used to it, now I like it. When I watch other peoples' TVs, I don't miss it much, but when I watch mind I don't mind the effect and it does make things crisper. At first I thought it was surreal or too crisp / fake looking. My mind started processing it differently over time and now I see it more like I am looking through a window at the scene instead of looking through what a camera recorded.

    Not sure if that makes sense to you.
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    Image of Branhower Branhower
    12/12/09

    @bustedchain: 120 Hz is where it should stop. I can't notice smooth motion anymore beyond that.
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    Ryan_Long promoted this comment Branhower was starred Branhower was unstarred
    Image of presto117 presto117
    12/12/09

    @Ryan_Long: i'm kind of conflicted when it comes to 60hz and 120hz. for one, i like the fact that it makes the picture look less blurry and sharper, but the demos at best buy just downright disgust me. it looks way too fake. sometimes it doesn't, so i'd have to test the tv first. the thing i like about 60hz TV's is that they're cheaper lol.
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    Image of bustedchain bustedchain
    12/12/09

    @Branhower: Sure, I absolutely agree. Accurate color reproduction is far more important than going beyond 120Hz. There is a slight difference at 240Hz and even smaller diminishing returns the higher you go.

    Accurate / true black level is more important too.

    I was trying to say that 120Hz over 60Hz is hard to swallow at first because there is a lot of difference and it looks too real, but at least for me I found that I got used to it and rather like it now. I don't dislike TVs that don't have it, but it just a nice thing to have now that I am used to it.
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    Image of TheRiseOfRoy TheRiseOfRoy
    12/12/09

    In reply to Best Buy Finally Offers Legitimate Sale Prices
    i work at CompUSA. we have better deals than that by far.
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    Alfisted promoted this comment TheRiseOfRoy was starred TheRiseOfRoy was unstarred
    Image of Alfisted Alfisted
    12/12/09

    @TheRiseOfRoy: Yes, but can you beat tradekay.com? How about ustradebuy.com?
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    Image of fleebailey33 fleebailey33
    12/12/09

    @TheRiseOfRoy: the fake CompUSA, let the real one RIP. (Worked there)
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    Image of paulrules paulrules
    12/12/09

    In reply to Best Buy Finally Offers Legitimate Sale Prices
    600Hz? MINE!
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    Image of Zonky Zonky
    12/12/09

    @paulrules: That is the standard refresh rate for plasma nothing special there. The prices are good for LCD, but they are like that because they are 60Hz, 120Hz is now the standard medium to shoot for to getting an LCD. Feel free to enjoy laughing at those getting 240Hz,
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    dagamer34 promoted this comment Zonky was starred Zonky was unstarred
    Image of dagamer34 dagamer34
    12/12/09

    @Zonky: Yep, 60Hz means no 24p mode, which I consider an absolute must for Blu-ray content.
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    Image of Dacker Dacker
    11/27/09

    In reply to Apple's Black Friday Sale?
    Yawn....

    To be serious though, one cannot expect Apple to offer huge discounts as they don't want to undercut the retailers who carry their products.

    By essentially matching their prices, they aren't really competing against their retailers yet Apple gets all of the additional profit which would be shared with the distributors and retailers.

    Buying directly from Apple is a win for Apple, but a loss for the distributors, retailers, and especially consumers.
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    Image of Lukasz Fabis Lukasz Fabis
    11/27/09

    @Dacker:
    I'd say slicing out the middle man and dealing with a company directly is more efficient and generally more pleasant for the consumer.

    Screw the distributors and retailers.
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    Dacker promoted this comment Lukasz Fabis was starred Lukasz Fabis was unstarred
    Image of Dacker Dacker
    11/27/09

    @Lukasz Fabis: Oh, I'd love to buy directly from a manufacturer IFF they lowered their pricing to reflect the lower distribution expenses. Unfortunately, that rarely done outside of companies such as Dell. But even Dell is having a tough time selling directly to consumers....
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    Image of G.O.B.: Come on! G.O.B.: Come on!
    11/27/09

    In reply to Apple's Black Friday Sale?
    WOAOOAOAH!!! Did Apple clear this with accounting first? These deals are insane!!1!1!1!!!!!!!!
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    Image of HeartBurnKid: Agent of R.O.A.C.H. HeartBurnKid: Agent of R.O.A.C.H.
    11/27/09

    In reply to Apple's Black Friday Sale?
    My, what deep discounts.
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    Image of Gordonium Gordonium
    11/27/09

    In reply to Apple's Black Friday Sale?
    That 4-in-the-morning delirium had set in when you posted this, huh?

    S'cool. This one time, I bought something online at like 3 in the morning, and I thought, "Hey! Extended warranty! 3 extra months? For JUST $80? Bring it on!"
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    Image of jlcro jlcro
    11/27/09

    In reply to Apple's Black Friday Sale?
    Save $11. Oh really? It's not even worth it.
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    G.O.B.: Come on! promoted this comment jlcro was starred jlcro was unstarred
    Image of Xjep Xjep
    11/27/09

    In reply to Apple's Black Friday Sale?
    Has Apple ever had a good sale
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    LVP promoted this comment Xjep was starred Xjep was unstarred
    Image of LVP LVP
    11/27/09

    @Xjep: Nope. You can get a better deal through the Apple Developer Connection.
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    Image of Michael McElrath Michael McElrath
    11/27/09

    In reply to Apple's Black Friday Sale?
    iPod touch? $199 - $178 = $21, not $41.
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    Nathan Drake approved this comment Michael McElrath was starred Michael McElrath was unstarred
    Image of Nathan Drake Nathan Drake
    11/27/09

    @Michael McElrath: The Touch starts at $179. It also says "up to $41". "Up to". The 64GB model is $358, down from $399. That does amount to $41 ;)
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    Nathan Drake was starred Nathan Drake was unstarred
    Image of iComment iComment
    11/27/09

    In reply to Apple's Black Friday Sale?
    What is this? A sale for ants?
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    Image of Dennis R. Hirschfelt Dennis R. Hirschfelt
    11/27/09

    In reply to Apple's Black Friday Sale?
    No, it's not on, Wilson Rothman. The fact that you posted this after seeing the deals, shows you objectivity. I mean really, did you see the other retail ads. This is the most sorry excuse for a Black Friday sale I've ever seen. At first I saw this as a missed opportunity on Apple's part. But now it seems more like a glaring slap in the face to anyone who ever thought about buying an Apple product today. Apple, you should have come out and said the 30% off iPods and 25% off Macbooks was fake the day it "leaked" out. Not doing so is a serious offense, especially to all those who were at Apple stores at 6am. Man they must be pissed!! 0% off the white macbook?? Sweet! $101 off the Pro's?? Thanks a ton. 11% off an entry level iPod touch?? Recession. Over.

    Pathetic. Thats basically just the student/teacher discount anyone can get walking in off the street and saying you're either one. (which really ticked me off to find they don't actually ID people when they do say they are teachers or students. So much for that deal) This should make every person who stayed in line, or got up early and went online pissed enough to walk right into any of the phenomenal deals on PCs at EVERY other retailer. Mac OSX is great, but Windows 7 is great too people. And far cheaper (in the big picture).

    I mean, I was just looking for an iPod Touch for my wife and just went online. But seriously, I know many other teachers I work with who were interested in new laptops and were probably there at the crack of dawn. I can't wait for the anti-Apple backlash on Monday.

    In conclusion. Thank you Apple. Thanks for showing me, and hopefully the rest of the tech community, how much you value your customers over your precious inflated margins. I know it's been a rough year for you, and I know you need the money more than all of those people who are hurting financially these days but still considered your comparable laptops (even at 40-60% markup over the competition).

    I am a (semi) happy Macbook Pro owner in spite of you Apple, not because of you. When the Apple fanboy community wakes up to your greed and air of superiority, you will be alone, profitless and as bankrupt as you once were. Only this time, you won't have Microsoft to bail you out with millions of undeserved dollars.

    Flame On!
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    blash approved this comment Dennis R. Hirschfelt was starred Dennis R. Hirschfelt was unstarred
    Image of blash blash
    11/27/09

    @Dennis R. Hirschfelt: Well, it's the same thing every year. I agree, they should really do something more for Black Friday, but after seeing this kinda shit on every Black Friday since I dunno, the beginning of time, I've gotten used to it.

    To be honest though, most Black Friday sales were crap this year. Except for one or two items here and there (L4D2 for $30 down from $60, a Creative Arena headset for $50 and free shipping down from $100), the amount taken off was either extremely small percentage wise or it was taken off on a product that wasn't selling (age? quality?) and the stores just wanted to clear their shelves.
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    Image of MechaMunch MechaMunch
    11/27/09

    @Dennis R. Hirschfelt: I heartclick your rage.
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    Image of blash blash
    11/27/09

    @MechaMunch: I find that interestingly ironic - it was an unapproved commenter when I approved it. One comment and he's already getting followers... tomorrow he'll have a star! =P
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    Image of Dennis R. Hirschfelt Dennis R. Hirschfelt
    11/27/09

    @blash: Thank you for approving my comment.

    @Everyone Else: I agree that Apple deals are usually not that great on Black Friday. This is their choice. One I would defend them to be able to make. I do wish they would have come out and flatly denied the hoax ad that hit the net a week or two ago. That was easily done and did no one any good left the way it was. However, this speaks to a larger problem, and not with Apple themselves.

    The simple fact is: if Apple pissed you off with Black Friday or with any of the bad press they have received this year, look elsewhere. It's just a computer. In any economy it is foolish to throw money at a corporation that couldn't care less if you are their customer (individually). You don't know Apple personally. Apple is not a religion, you shouldn't believe in Apple. You won't hurt Apple's feelings if you buy a different computer and you shouldn't care if it did.

    I like my MacBook Pro, I'm happy with the purchase and I think anyone could be too. But the same goes for almost any computer. If you like computers, you will be happy with Windows, Mac OS X or even Linux. Shop around. If you just love Apple, then I am truly sorry for wasting your time.
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    Image of blash blash
    11/28/09

    @Dennis R. Hirschfelt: You're welcome to line 1) and amen brother to the rest!
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    Edited by blash at 11/28/09 2:42 AM blash was starred blash was unstarred
    Image of SewerShark: LOOK BEHIND YOU, A THREE HEADED MONKEY!!! SewerShark: LOOK BEHIND YOU, A THREE HEADED MONKEY!!!
    11/27/09

    In reply to Apple's Black Friday Sale?
    Black friday sales are also available here in Brazil...WOOT
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    Edited by SewerShark: LOOK BEHIND YOU, A THREE HEADED MONKEY!!! at 11/27/09 5:45 AM SewerShark: LOOK BEHIND YOU, A THREE HEADED MONKEY!!! was starred SewerShark: LOOK BEHIND YOU, A THREE HEADED MONKEY!!! was unstarred
    Image of SewerShark: LOOK BEHIND YOU, A THREE HEADED MONKEY!!! SewerShark: LOOK BEHIND YOU, A THREE HEADED MONKEY!!!
    11/27/09

    @SewerShark: LOOK BEHIND YOU, A THREE HEADED MONKEY!!!: Oh shit, the savings do not worth it -_-
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    SewerShark: LOOK BEHIND YOU, A THREE HEADED MONKEY!!! was starred SewerShark: LOOK BEHIND YOU, A THREE HEADED MONKEY!!! was unstarred
    Image of Fredrikkk Fredrikkk
    11/27/09

    In reply to Apple's Black Friday Sale?
    Oh man, you can save $21 on Apple TV.

    This is a disgrace to every Black Friday-er.

    Apple, you FAIL!
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    Wilson Rothman promoted this comment Fredrikkk was starred Fredrikkk was unstarred
    Image of Muzzled Muzzled
    11/27/09

    In reply to Apple's Black Friday Sale?
    I'm what you might call an apple fanboy, as I write this from my iPhone.

    But seriously, is it just me or is this the worst sale you have ever seen? Their "special" on a MacBook pro provides a saving of <£2.

    Pittiful.
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