Sigh. My poor Nokia E17x. I'm increasingly feeling like an old, what with my Symbian phone. And rightfully so, I am unexcited by my options out there for add-ons and such.
But a plus: not under contract! HMMMMM that Verizon Droid is pretty darn schmexy...
Symbian needs to die. Development support is archaic and last I checked you have to get locked in to the Symbian Signed if you want to have widespread adoption of your application which makes it nearly impossible for hobbyist developers to create and distribute apps. Plus every Series 60 phone (v1, v2, v3) I've every used was horrendously slow and laggy. #symbian
Meanwhile, Nokia picks up an Android phone, Palm introduces yet another "revolutionary" phone OS, Bill Gates buys a Blackberry, the iPhone integrates a projector, and I have no friggin' clue what the heck is going on anymore.
Guys, can we go back to the iPhone vs. Android flame wars now? I haven't had near enough caffeine to deal with the simultaneous existence of the iPhone, Android, WebOS, WinMo, Maemo, Symbian, and Bada.
(No one's ever allowed to use the "too many distributions" criticism of Linux anymore, ok?) #symbian
Making a basic phone who's primary purpose is to make and recieve calls? Go to symbian.
Making a basic smartphone, which has underpowered hardware and is more suited to professional clients who just want to check their e-mail on the go? Go with Windows Mobile
Making a smartphone with a bit more power, a target audience of either a more techie or casual persuasion, with a focus on apps or widgets? Go with Android.
Its really that simple. You don't need to make an HD2 for Windows Mobile because Windows Mobile can't take advantage of all the hardware you've put in their anyway, not at the moment at least. Also you can't make a cheap phone and slap android on there because its going to run horribly. And no one is going to spend $300 on a phone that runs symbian. #samsungbada
@ddhboy: Fourth option: If you're going to make the best phone in the world that will be most popular and loved by all, congrats apple, you have your own awesome OS. iPhone OS! #samsungbada
@cruzer555: Does it hurt when Steve Jobs tells you the money's on the counter and send his bodyguards to remove him from his home?
Seriously, I have a macbook pro, and an iPod Touch, but you'd have to be delusional to say that the iPhone OS is the best OS for mobile ever created. Hell, Windows Mobile let you run multiple applications at once for YEARS before the iPhone showed up, and even with android upping the iPhone in built in features, Apple is reluctant to change up the formula, and I can almost guarantee that once android ramps up, Apple's only saving grace will be "hey, you guys like iTunes?"
Not to mention that the smartphone market is mostly about the corporate world. Good luck trying to use an iPhone as a corporate phone. #samsungbada
@ddhboy: Oh, but you'd be amazed how many people use the iPhone in the corporate world on a daily basis throughout the world. Is it the best for that? Maybe? It depends on the person. You're little blurb above is you're personal opinion, not an end all be all for what phone is right for each and every person. You clearly don't have a high opinion of the iPhone, but that doesn't mean it's bad or not the right phone for others. #samsungbada
@Gators15: The iPhone is so insecure that I'd fire an employee who used it to store critical data involving business information. Apps for whatever reason, have the capability to gather your data and send it back to the developer, some how this is legal in apple's EULA in the SDKs, but whatever, even if you didn't install a malicious app yourself, you can take over a phone over the network, if its jailbroken then it makes it twice as easy to do so, etc. #samsungbada
@ddhboy: That's not the point I'm trying to make. You said "Good luck trying to use an iPhone as a corporate phone." I said that people use it for that every day all around the world. If you want to fire someone over it, fine, that's you. But clearly, not all companies run on YOUR policies. I work for a very large company (one you've definitely heard of and own products from, I'm 99.9% sure of it) and they switched from partnering with Sprint for employee discounts to AT&T just SO people could use the iPhone after the 3G came out, and no, it's not mandatory we all carry iPhones either nor is it mandatory that we are all with AT&T.
This is the 1st time you brought up security issues, and frankly, all platforms, I don't care which one you use, come with their own security holes. I'm not defending the iPhone, I'm simply stating the people in the corporate world use the iPhone for business everyday also. It's just yet another option in the smartphone lineup.
But I commend you for backing up your beliefs, and again, your initial post is your opinion. What works for you may not work for me or someone else. Your post didn't make me think WOW! He's right! All I want is to check my work email on the go, I should dump my Blackberry and pick up a WinMo phone today! #samsungbada
@Gators15: Any company that has to deal with security compliance issues, especially any company that's subject to HIPAA, PCI, or any of a million other security certifications, is not going to allow the iPhone on their network. Period. There are just way too many security issues.
Saying it's an ideal, or even good, phone for a corporate user is ludicrous. #samsungbada
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Maybe at some point we will even get phones with various hardware and user selectable OS's.
Say you find a phone you really like, great design and all the hardware features you want. Currently the onyl choice we have is to go with the OS that the phone comes with.
And now let's say it comes with WinMo. Yay I hoped for a nice android there.
Or maybe it comes with Android, but you need a WinMo phone for compatibility with some apps you need for work.
Again tough luck.
Yes I know there is the problem of installing the software, of locking the phone to a certain provider and so on.
But think of it the software could easily be installed where you buy it. As for the security and locking could be done trough a micro firmware, that would essentially be what currently bioses are for PC's.
And installing the OS on the phone would just be a question of installing the right drivers.
Say a core OS with various modules and drivers and UI tweaks provided by the manufacturer.
To me at least that seems like the next logical step for smart/app phones. :D #samsungbada
@magecu: seems like there'd be a few kinks to work out, but from the consumers' perspective, that'd be freaking sweet.
The ideal solution, IMO, would be to have manufacturers sell multiple flavors of the same hardware. For example... HTC could sell the incredibly sexy Touch HD2 hardware in the WinMo variety, the Android variety, Blackberry OS, or even the mobile OSX variety (yeah right, like Apple'd hop on board there - but i digress). That way the same hardware (perhaps with slight modifications... ie a Start button for Winmo) could be leveraged to cater to all kinds of target markets. They could even go as far as making a dumbphone OS version for people who like the look/feel of a given phone but don't want to pay for data plans, etc.
The ultimate would then be for companies to also make them available on most (if not all) carriers - a la RAZR. Yeah, it'd be a pain to either shove combo antennae into the phones, or build several hardware iterations. But I think that if they did this, they'd easily make up for the lost money that they normally get from carriers through exclusivity deals with hugely increased sales. Also, phones in general would get better, as would service providers. If anyone on any network could choose any phone, the crappy phones would die out. Also, the networks would have to improve a lot to stay competitive, since they can't lure people with exclusive handsets. But seeing as how this would tip all kinds of scales on the manufacturers'/carriers' end of it all, it'll probably never happen.
edit: I think that manufacturers could, however, feasibly offer the same hardware with different OS's, without the multiple carriers thing. I'm not sure of all the legalities/complexities/briberies that hold them back from doing this, but if they were to do it, there'd be a lot of happy consumers - Me, for starters... with an HTC Touch HD2 running the Android it deserves. Sweet mother of all things that are good...
@brobot: Yeah legal issues would probably be one of the larger problems.
Still OS wise it's a question how adaptable is. PocketPC, what now is WinMo was quite flexible. The main problem was the small amount of devices and the low interest from the companies for releasing the proper versions of the OS with all the drivers.
Still with nix based OS's like Android or Symbina a micro kernel could be used with just the base functions and drivers linking to it from outside.
Or a driver pack could be required for the phone so that part of the installation could be an automatic compilation of the kernel and all other elements that would require it.
As for being able to lock a phone to an operator, that could still be possible.
The firmware/bios could have an internal lock that would accept only certain networks/sims,...
For a company producing phones, this would be a great option. By having multiple OS's for the same hand set, they could market the same hardware to more groups than before. And the costs of production would probably get quite lower with the higher numbers.
And if they could implement a modular design, where the amount of on-board memory, the type of CPU, antennas, radio chip and so on could be "relatively" easily exchanged, then they could cater to an even larger target group. Obviously with how limited notebooks are there is no much hope for phones.
Let's hope for varied OS's for now and aim for the stars later. :D #samsungbada
@pastrychef: Hey, awesome... you just won "Show Off Your Racial Bias and Cultural Ignorance in 25 Words or Less!" Thanks for playing the game where each winner is also a loser! #samsungbada
@met2art: It's common practice for companies to sanitize product names for international use. A company I used to work at wanted to release a reference design that was to be called "Bluebird" but shortened to the "Bird". A marketroid later told me that the original sounded vaguely like something untoward in one of our target markets. +5 points if you can guess. #samsungbada
Leeloo: ...jella boom! Korben Dallas: Boom. Yeah, I understand boom. Leeloo:Bada boom. Korben Dallas: Big... yeah, big bada boom. Leeloo: Big! Bada big boom! Big! BOOM! Korben Dallas: Yeah! Big bada boom! Leeloo:Bada boom! Korben Dallas: Yeah-hahaha! Big boom! Big bada boom!
Why won't they just make smartphones the new dumbphone? Replace voice with data, use VoIP. (The industry is scared to death of this, but with Google owning both a number service, a SIP service, and a mobile OS, this will come faster than any of us anticipated.) #samsungbada
i'm running (6) 7200rpm drives in my FreeNAS box. i guess i could have gone with 5400rpm, but i already had all the hardware so i didn't really buy new components when i put the unit together.
@waclark57 i think you missed the point. the post clearly says, "The main bottleneck in any NAS is the RAID engine. Since many NAS units don't include a dedicated controller, oftentimes the speed of the drive just doesn't matter. If you're using a blazing-fast hardware RAID card in your own custom built setup, then drive speed might make a difference. But for most consumer units, the controller is the bottleneck."
with that in mind, drive speed obviously isn't an issue in consumer based NAS systems. sure if you have maddd money to spend on high end hardware, and you have a beefy raid controller, 10k or 15k drives will make a difference. #diy
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But a plus: not under contract! HMMMMM that Verizon Droid is pretty darn schmexy...
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Needless to say I was confused as I didn't realize Samsung made those. #symbian
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Guys, can we go back to the iPhone vs. Android flame wars now? I haven't had near enough caffeine to deal with the simultaneous existence of the iPhone, Android, WebOS, WinMo, Maemo, Symbian, and Bada.
(No one's ever allowed to use the "too many distributions" criticism of Linux anymore, ok?) #symbian
11/10/09
Making a basic phone who's primary purpose is to make and recieve calls? Go to symbian.
Making a basic smartphone, which has underpowered hardware and is more suited to professional clients who just want to check their e-mail on the go? Go with Windows Mobile
Making a smartphone with a bit more power, a target audience of either a more techie or casual persuasion, with a focus on apps or widgets? Go with Android.
Its really that simple. You don't need to make an HD2 for Windows Mobile because Windows Mobile can't take advantage of all the hardware you've put in their anyway, not at the moment at least. Also you can't make a cheap phone and slap android on there because its going to run horribly. And no one is going to spend $300 on a phone that runs symbian. #samsungbada
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Seriously, I have a macbook pro, and an iPod Touch, but you'd have to be delusional to say that the iPhone OS is the best OS for mobile ever created. Hell, Windows Mobile let you run multiple applications at once for YEARS before the iPhone showed up, and even with android upping the iPhone in built in features, Apple is reluctant to change up the formula, and I can almost guarantee that once android ramps up, Apple's only saving grace will be "hey, you guys like iTunes?"
Not to mention that the smartphone market is mostly about the corporate world. Good luck trying to use an iPhone as a corporate phone. #samsungbada
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This is the 1st time you brought up security issues, and frankly, all platforms, I don't care which one you use, come with their own security holes. I'm not defending the iPhone, I'm simply stating the people in the corporate world use the iPhone for business everyday also. It's just yet another option in the smartphone lineup.
But I commend you for backing up your beliefs, and again, your initial post is your opinion. What works for you may not work for me or someone else. Your post didn't make me think WOW! He's right! All I want is to check my work email on the go, I should dump my Blackberry and pick up a WinMo phone today! #samsungbada
11/11/09
Saying it's an ideal, or even good, phone for a corporate user is ludicrous. #samsungbada
11/10/09
Anyway, what's the point of Bada? Why not just throw Android on there and be done with it?
11/10/09
Say you find a phone you really like, great design and all the hardware features you want. Currently the onyl choice we have is to go with the OS that the phone comes with.
And now let's say it comes with WinMo. Yay I hoped for a nice android there.
Or maybe it comes with Android, but you need a WinMo phone for compatibility with some apps you need for work.
Again tough luck.
Yes I know there is the problem of installing the software, of locking the phone to a certain provider and so on.
But think of it the software could easily be installed where you buy it. As for the security and locking could be done trough a micro firmware, that would essentially be what currently bioses are for PC's.
And installing the OS on the phone would just be a question of installing the right drivers.
Say a core OS with various modules and drivers and UI tweaks provided by the manufacturer.
To me at least that seems like the next logical step for smart/app phones. :D #samsungbada
11/11/09
The ideal solution, IMO, would be to have manufacturers sell multiple flavors of the same hardware. For example... HTC could sell the incredibly sexy Touch HD2 hardware in the WinMo variety, the Android variety, Blackberry OS, or even the mobile OSX variety (yeah right, like Apple'd hop on board there - but i digress). That way the same hardware (perhaps with slight modifications... ie a Start button for Winmo) could be leveraged to cater to all kinds of target markets. They could even go as far as making a dumbphone OS version for people who like the look/feel of a given phone but don't want to pay for data plans, etc.
The ultimate would then be for companies to also make them available on most (if not all) carriers - a la RAZR. Yeah, it'd be a pain to either shove combo antennae into the phones, or build several hardware iterations. But I think that if they did this, they'd easily make up for the lost money that they normally get from carriers through exclusivity deals with hugely increased sales. Also, phones in general would get better, as would service providers. If anyone on any network could choose any phone, the crappy phones would die out. Also, the networks would have to improve a lot to stay competitive, since they can't lure people with exclusive handsets.
But seeing as how this would tip all kinds of scales on the manufacturers'/carriers' end of it all, it'll probably never happen.
edit: I think that manufacturers could, however, feasibly offer the same hardware with different OS's, without the multiple carriers thing. I'm not sure of all the legalities/complexities/briberies that hold them back from doing this, but if they were to do it, there'd be a lot of happy consumers - Me, for starters... with an HTC Touch HD2 running the Android it deserves. Sweet mother of all things that are good...
11/11/09
Still OS wise it's a question how adaptable is. PocketPC, what now is WinMo was quite flexible. The main problem was the small amount of devices and the low interest from the companies for releasing the proper versions of the OS with all the drivers.
Still with nix based OS's like Android or Symbina a micro kernel could be used with just the base functions and drivers linking to it from outside.
Or a driver pack could be required for the phone so that part of the installation could be an automatic compilation of the kernel and all other elements that would require it.
As for being able to lock a phone to an operator, that could still be possible.
The firmware/bios could have an internal lock that would accept only certain networks/sims,...
For a company producing phones, this would be a great option. By having multiple OS's for the same hand set, they could market the same hardware to more groups than before. And the costs of production would probably get quite lower with the higher numbers.
And if they could implement a modular design, where the amount of on-board memory, the type of CPU, antennas, radio chip and so on could be "relatively" easily exchanged, then they could cater to an even larger target group. Obviously with how limited notebooks are there is no much hope for phones.
Let's hope for varied OS's for now and aim for the stars later. :D #samsungbada
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Korben Dallas: Boom. Yeah, I understand boom.
Leeloo: Bada boom.
Korben Dallas: Big... yeah, big bada boom.
Leeloo: Big! Bada big boom! Big! BOOM!
Korben Dallas: Yeah! Big bada boom!
Leeloo: Bada boom!
Korben Dallas: Yeah-hahaha! Big boom! Big bada boom!
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kills self #samsungbada
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.....*steals Kaiser's wallet then calls police*
*quietly walks away* #samsungbada
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@waclark57 i think you missed the point. the post clearly says, "The main bottleneck in any NAS is the RAID engine. Since many NAS units don't include a dedicated controller, oftentimes the speed of the drive just doesn't matter. If you're using a blazing-fast hardware RAID card in your own custom built setup, then drive speed might make a difference. But for most consumer units, the controller is the bottleneck."
with that in mind, drive speed obviously isn't an issue in consumer based NAS systems. sure if you have maddd money to spend on high end hardware, and you have a beefy raid controller, 10k or 15k drives will make a difference. #diy
11/07/09
Currently at 2TB + parity and expandable up to 6 drives before I have to upgrade the software license to the next tier (16 drives). #diy
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