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Watching Kung-Fu movies and 9 months of Jui Jitsu does not constitute 19 years of martial art training. Not all people who own collectible swords are irredeemable idiots. If you were the wise master you think you are, you'd know that it doesn't take a rare antique highly fashioned weapon to do the job. I own several swords ornamental and authentic and could just as easily use a rolled up newspaper to dispatch someone. You should know that before you flash around you false logic.
@PhilipIcarus: Yes. So now that you're done making a fucking idiot out of yourself by revealing how little of what I wrote you actually bothered to read and understand, I'll tell you this:
- Owning a "collectible" sword is, with almost NO exceptions at all, the purview of idiots who dream about learning how to be manly and fight, without having the discipline to learn ANY art. It takes years of dedication, years of effort. Something which you try to circumvent with 475 dollars worth of cheap metal.
"What he did was justified, and the thief deserved to die."
Wrong. It's not justified to kill a man over a stolen ps3 and laptops. However, it is justified to kill a man who lunges at you while you fear for the safety of your life or the lives of others.
The guy was acting in self defense. I'd be pretty pissed off myself if I were in their shoes. What he did was justified, and the thief deserved to die.
Did you read a word of that comment? Being a pretentious asshole doesn't change the fact that getting screwed over is not fun. EVERYTHING you own are valuables. You could try to look cool and virtuous to us all by saying "money is material" and crap like that, but it doesn't change the fact that you THRIVE on that paper. A burglary can ruin your life. It DID ruin someone's life. And when they tell about it, you DARE to patronise them? The SHEER NERVE. Pathetic. Absolutely pathetic.
Just an interesting thought on the "subdue him" line of comments, I'm not opposed to subdueing someone, I live in AK where you don't legally need to have a concealed carry permit to carry a concealed firearm. For better or for worse thats the way it is and I rountinely carry my pistol with me out of the house (unless I am going to class later in the day, just dont feel comfortable locking it in my car while i'm in class).
On point though, if I were to draw my pistol (and trust me, it takes a LOT to make me feel the need to unholster my weapon) they have 3 choices, run away, show me their hands and kneel down, or approach me and run the serious risk of being shot. Unlike what a lot of people seem to say here, I have no strong desire to shoot someone, and while I know many of you seem to disagree, I believe it's necessary to clearly announce the fact that you have a firearm. They may run the risk of bodily harm by breaking into my home, but I'll give them the opportunity to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.
I think before any judgments are made regarding whether the students actions were justified, you should really read the article.
1)The suspect had 29 prior convictions for crimes such as breaking and entering. This crime happened on a Tuesday and the suspect had just been released from jail that Saturday.
2)The suspect was previously charged with several weapons charges, including trying to fire on an officer.
3)The student killed the man with only one strike of the sword.
For anyone saying it was excessive force, you have no idea what kind of threat the burglar represents. In this case there was a very high chance IMHO that the burglar would have tried to kill or atleast injure the student.
Add it all up and the answer is: It was Completely Justified.
Luciana, that is the lamest comment I've ever read. You must be single without kids or a wife. IF someone breaks into my house:
1. I have no idea what they are there to do. My assumption is NOT that they are only after some stuff that I can replace.
2. I HAVE to assume the worst considering the one fact I know is that they are uninvited and already a criminal.
3. The worst thing my mind jumps to is the rape of my wife, the death of my children, then the death of me.
4. I would not trust my split second visuals to GUESS if he had a gun/knife/etc hidden in a pocket/pants/jacket. I will leave that GUESS work to law enforcement people who are trained to do so and choose to put their life in danger to do so.
5. I would absolutely kill to protect my wife and children from rape and/or death.
6. If I had to go to jail for that action, then I would at least know that I protected my wife from rape and my kids from death... and for that I would pick jail over the alternative ever time.
7. Even after a first shot or first slash of a sword to defend my home, I am not going to take time to asses if the intruder is "disabled" and give him time to pull his gun/knife or tackle me for mine. I will ensure he disabled when he doesn't move anymore. If he got lucky is just unconscious but if death comes first then so be it. I can VERY easily see how someone can shoot off an entire clip of ammo, or slash a sword repeatedly in the moment due to pure fear or retaliation by the SERIAL KILLER who has broken into your house. YES SERIAL KILLER, they do exist and if someone uninvited is in my house, that is my assumption... they are there to do some seriously sick things to me and my family. If they were just there for some free stuff, then all I can say is they should consider potential of death prior to their actions.
All the above is why people that defend their homes and kill and intruder do not usually go to jail. Pure 100% unchecked fear for your life and the life of your family would lead the vast majority of people with an option (gun/sword/etc) to use it immediately and keep using it until you no longer felt threatened. And that for me will come only when I can tell the intruder is no longer moving and obviously not playing possum.
The only way to be truly safe in your own home is to have a life size Andre the Giant statue that is motion activated. Turn it on before you go to bed, and sleep peacefully until morning.
"My men are here! I am here! But soon *you* will not be here! "
Don't tell me you wouldn't crap yourself and run after Fezzik yells that at you.
God you know what I would do if I saw someone in my house is that I would immediately go to my huge gun collection and retrieve my rare Hungarian ASP-43 .98 calibre anti-tank weapon and would aim it at this man from point blank range. And as his body disintegrated into a great red mist I would strip down naked and dance in his blood.
Or even better - even though I haven't done any sort of push up or physical exercise for 12 years, I would immediately reach for my antique Roman Cestus gauntlets and challenge the burglar to hand to hand combat. Obviously since I've seen the 36 Chambers of Shaolin 8 times, I'll have an incredible advantage over this man. Also I did 9 months of jiu jitsu when I was 19 so am fully versed in combat, and possess the ability to kill upon command. Killing comes naturally to me. As naturally as drinking a Mountain Dew: Code Red does. I'm just one of the people in this world who are plainly more evolved. You can see this by my incredibly Halo scores.
I have 3 swords Ichigo's Tensa Zangetsu(Bankai), Oren Ishi kill bill sword, and ultra violet's sword and when my firends say that if someone breaks in they will have a field day with all the electronics in my house, I tell them "in that case I'll be waiting with with sword in hand".
@Slade: Uh, that's nice. But this guy wasn't killed by some $75 toy blade stamped out by a factory in China. To do what was described requires a sword that can actually, you know, cut things.
@Slade: Okay just a piece of advice. I've been in martial arts for oh... around 19 years now. And the one, single, irrefutable fact that I've learned is that everyone who owns a collectible sword of any sort is an irredeemable idiot who doesn't know the first thing about using it. You should know that before you flash around that information. It's like a 60 foot neon sign that says "The least tough person you've ever met".
@Pope John Peeps II: Too true (from one budoka to another). First, most "collectible swords" aren't. And they would have maybe bruised the perp's wrist...not nearly severed the hand.
I don't understand some reactions. When people break into your house in the middle of the night, there is no way of knowing whether or not the intruder is a common burglar or a serial killer. Of course you should defend yourself. In such a confrontation there's no time/no way to figure out how dangerous the intruder is.
My landlord said it best "If someone's breaking in just to steal your shit they'll do it when no one's home. If they're breaking in while you're home, they're there to hurt you." It might not be with the express intent to hurt you, but it's certainly not without the recognition of the possibility, the decision on action, and the acceptance of repercussions. The intruder lunged at the student, that was the decision on an aggressive action, not retreat.
Also, I've noticed a lot of people stating that he swung multiple times, but no where in any of the reports does it say that. It says that the intruder suffered a laceration to his upper body and nearly severed hand. It's entirely possible to inflict both wounds in a single slash, especially given a moderately sharp blade, panic-driven reflex, and adrenalin supplemented strength.
From a personal standpoint, and following my landlord's logic, if someone breaks into my house and steals my stuff, fine. That's what insurance is for. If someone breaks in while I'm home they're coming face to face with either a 1911, or a Mossberg 500, depending on which I can get to first. At that point they'll have the option to attack or retreat, and either get filled with lead, or just have to run from the cops.
And finally, I'm of the opinion that the ideal home defense gun is a 12 or 20 gauge pump, short barrel, cylinder bore, with #6 or #7 shot. It'll make a terrible mess of someone at close range, but shouldn't penetrate 2 sheets of drywall. It doesn't take great aim at a room's length away to score a solid hit. And the sound of a pump being racked in the dark quiet of a house should give even the most hardened burglar something to think about. For a handgun, absolutely a .45ACP, with hollow-points, Hydra-Shoks, or some other personal defense round. They're designed not to over-penetrate, and .45 carries a whole lot of energy.
The poor guy didn't deserve to die, but Police have confirmed he has priors for breaking and entering.
Didn't deserve to die?? I think at the point where you decide to hamper other people's attempts at success by stealing their important things, suicide should be mandatory.
@ALL GLORY TO THE HYPNO-TOAD: not really important things.... i mean, if he stole a pacemaker, that would be important. you can live without a laptop.. technically
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- Owning a "collectible" sword is, with almost NO exceptions at all, the purview of idiots who dream about learning how to be manly and fight, without having the discipline to learn ANY art. It takes years of dedication, years of effort. Something which you try to circumvent with 475 dollars worth of cheap metal.
09/16/09
Wrong. It's not justified to kill a man over a stolen ps3 and laptops. However, it is justified to kill a man who lunges at you while you fear for the safety of your life or the lives of others.
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On point though, if I were to draw my pistol (and trust me, it takes a LOT to make me feel the need to unholster my weapon) they have 3 choices, run away, show me their hands and kneel down, or approach me and run the serious risk of being shot. Unlike what a lot of people seem to say here, I have no strong desire to shoot someone, and while I know many of you seem to disagree, I believe it's necessary to clearly announce the fact that you have a firearm. They may run the risk of bodily harm by breaking into my home, but I'll give them the opportunity to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.
09/15/09
1)The suspect had 29 prior convictions for crimes such as breaking and entering. This crime happened on a Tuesday and the suspect had just been released from jail that Saturday.
2)The suspect was previously charged with several weapons charges, including trying to fire on an officer.
3)The student killed the man with only one strike of the sword.
For anyone saying it was excessive force, you have no idea what kind of threat the burglar represents. In this case there was a very high chance IMHO that the burglar would have tried to kill or atleast injure the student.
Add it all up and the answer is: It was Completely Justified.
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ZING!
09/15/09
1. I have no idea what they are there to do. My assumption is NOT that they are only after some stuff that I can replace.
2. I HAVE to assume the worst considering the one fact I know is that they are uninvited and already a criminal.
3. The worst thing my mind jumps to is the rape of my wife, the death of my children, then the death of me.
4. I would not trust my split second visuals to GUESS if he had a gun/knife/etc hidden in a pocket/pants/jacket. I will leave that GUESS work to law enforcement people who are trained to do so and choose to put their life in danger to do so.
5. I would absolutely kill to protect my wife and children from rape and/or death.
6. If I had to go to jail for that action, then I would at least know that I protected my wife from rape and my kids from death... and for that I would pick jail over the alternative ever time.
7. Even after a first shot or first slash of a sword to defend my home, I am not going to take time to asses if the intruder is "disabled" and give him time to pull his gun/knife or tackle me for mine. I will ensure he disabled when he doesn't move anymore. If he got lucky is just unconscious but if death comes first then so be it. I can VERY easily see how someone can shoot off an entire clip of ammo, or slash a sword repeatedly in the moment due to pure fear or retaliation by the SERIAL KILLER who has broken into your house. YES SERIAL KILLER, they do exist and if someone uninvited is in my house, that is my assumption... they are there to do some seriously sick things to me and my family. If they were just there for some free stuff, then all I can say is they should consider potential of death prior to their actions.
All the above is why people that defend their homes and kill and intruder do not usually go to jail. Pure 100% unchecked fear for your life and the life of your family would lead the vast majority of people with an option (gun/sword/etc) to use it immediately and keep using it until you no longer felt threatened. And that for me will come only when I can tell the intruder is no longer moving and obviously not playing possum.
09/15/09
"My men are here! I am here! But soon *you* will not be here! "
Don't tell me you wouldn't crap yourself and run after Fezzik yells that at you.
09/15/09
It's justified, and he deserved it. And may he also serve as an example for thieves out there.
09/15/09
Or even better - even though I haven't done any sort of push up or physical exercise for 12 years, I would immediately reach for my antique Roman Cestus gauntlets and challenge the burglar to hand to hand combat. Obviously since I've seen the 36 Chambers of Shaolin 8 times, I'll have an incredible advantage over this man. Also I did 9 months of jiu jitsu when I was 19 so am fully versed in combat, and possess the ability to kill upon command. Killing comes naturally to me. As naturally as drinking a Mountain Dew: Code Red does. I'm just one of the people in this world who are plainly more evolved. You can see this by my incredibly Halo scores.
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My landlord said it best "If someone's breaking in just to steal your shit they'll do it when no one's home. If they're breaking in while you're home, they're there to hurt you." It might not be with the express intent to hurt you, but it's certainly not without the recognition of the possibility, the decision on action, and the acceptance of repercussions. The intruder lunged at the student, that was the decision on an aggressive action, not retreat.
Also, I've noticed a lot of people stating that he swung multiple times, but no where in any of the reports does it say that. It says that the intruder suffered a laceration to his upper body and nearly severed hand. It's entirely possible to inflict both wounds in a single slash, especially given a moderately sharp blade, panic-driven reflex, and adrenalin supplemented strength.
From a personal standpoint, and following my landlord's logic, if someone breaks into my house and steals my stuff, fine. That's what insurance is for. If someone breaks in while I'm home they're coming face to face with either a 1911, or a Mossberg 500, depending on which I can get to first. At that point they'll have the option to attack or retreat, and either get filled with lead, or just have to run from the cops.
And finally, I'm of the opinion that the ideal home defense gun is a 12 or 20 gauge pump, short barrel, cylinder bore, with #6 or #7 shot. It'll make a terrible mess of someone at close range, but shouldn't penetrate 2 sheets of drywall. It doesn't take great aim at a room's length away to score a solid hit. And the sound of a pump being racked in the dark quiet of a house should give even the most hardened burglar something to think about. For a handgun, absolutely a .45ACP, with hollow-points, Hydra-Shoks, or some other personal defense round. They're designed not to over-penetrate, and .45 carries a whole lot of energy.
09/15/09
Didn't deserve to die?? I think at the point where you decide to hamper other people's attempts at success by stealing their important things, suicide should be mandatory.
09/15/09