I was pretty disturbed by this article as I usually am when I read things about people getting death sentences. I must say though, the comments really showed it up. I can't believe how lightly some people are suggesting offing human beings. I do not want to get into a debate over this, but to simply express my incredulity with regards to some of the attitudes here.
@Jacubious: I know you're not looking for a debate but... you read the article right? The dude plead guilty (repeat... PLEAD GUILTY) to kidnapping, raping and killing a 10-y-o girl. He was already serving 2 life sentences for 2 other murders. I wouldn't necessarily consider this an act of nonchalantly "offing human beings".
@EpiphyteCorp.: What particularly got me was people saying that those who are considered psychopaths, based on scans indicating malfunctioning brains, should be killed as they cannot be fixed anyways. The implications of statements to those ends are frightening in many ways.
Strikes me as a darned good reason to kill him, since apparently his brain architecture will prevent rehabilitation. One would think that defense counsel would be a bit leery of this avenue, as it seems fraught with danger for defendants.
I don't think anyone should be subject to the death penalty ever, but I also think that people who suffer from psychosis or who are pscyho/sociopaths should not be lumped in with the general prison populace. Let's rehabilitate the healthy and treat the mentally unsound.
Now excuse me as I hop off of my liberal sociologist soapbox.
@Nathan Obbards: I believe the death sentence can be justified. I don't believe it's right for our tax dollars to be spent on keeping some sick son of a bitch pedophilic rapist in jail getting free food and a place to stay for the rest of his life. They're not doing anything for society, they're simply wasting money.
But I live in Canada, where we don't do the death penalty. I don't hate my government for it, but I sure wish it would change one day. Or at least exile people haha
@Nathan Obbards: John Allen Muhammad, infamous "Beltway Sniper" and would-be terrorist network mastermind, was put to death recently.
He demonstrated an ability to identify impressionable youths and develop them into serial killers. An innocent pen-pal relationship or a friendship with a soon-to-be-released convict is an opening to further extend his reach, even from behind bars.
I feel that his death was absolutely right, not as punishment for a series of horrifying and unforgivable acts, but as a necessary means to snuff out the influence of a dangerous man.
@SJRNWT: I just believe in a reform system, not a retributive system. Most prisons in the US just teach criminals how to become worse criminals, they don't give them the skill sets to go on to lead decent lives and to get a real job. As for the tax dollars bit, there is no consensus on whether the execution is actually cheaper. Some have analyzed it and found the death penalty to be more expensive than life imprisonment while others have found it to be cheaper. I just take a moral stand that killing someone is very rarely right. There is no added utility in killing someone who is sentenced to life in prison and sometimes they even produce something worthwhile. Not only that, but if new evidence comes to life that absolves them, we won't have killed an innocent person, something that has happened too often in Texas.
As for exiling people, I mean, isn't that how the great nation of Australia started? It literally is a nation of pirates, murderers, rapists, and thieves.
@tomsomething: You could just screen/block all of his letters. Also, people who are in prison for life without parole are generally kept separate from the rest of the prison population.
@Nathan Obbards: I have an Idea how about dispose of, kill, or use for medical testing, all the criminals and psycho/sociopaths. Then spend the money we would have wasted trying to rehabilitate or treat them on people that are already productive members of society by rewarding them for doing a great job with education and training to better themselves, their lives and everything around them. If you reward bad behavior you will get behavior.
@G.O.D.: I wanted to go Godwin on you, but refrained. Instead I shall leave you with this: [en.wikipedia.org] as well as the fact that rehabilitative/restorative justice tends to create better results than retributive justice.
@Shamoononon: I shave my legs.: Haha, yeah, I had to say it, but knew I was opening a can when I said it. It boils down to personal ethics. My ethical stance is that it's immoral, but others have good arguments for the justice of it.
@Nathan Obbards: Come on you don't believe that bastard sniper deserved to be put to death. Stop being such a bleeding hearth liberal. If it was your mother, father, sibling, or friend that was killed by this bitch you would think differently. The death penalty should be used for the most heinous murderers like the DC Sniper.
@chapoec: If it was my mother, sister, father, or friend, I would feel the same way that he should be shown grace and not killed. Be it from a philosophical utilitarian perspective or a religious perspective, I could not justify killing someone for the evil they have committed.
Additionally, I am not stupid. Grad schools, especially mine, don't allow dumbasses in. Nice ad hominem attack. In context, my statement makes perfect sense. Some forms of execution do fall under cruel and unusual, hence why there was a hiatus on all execution via lethal injection and why the gas chamber is no longer used. Beyond that, I was pointing out how medical testing would most definitely fall under cruel and unusual.
I don't believe anyone is entitled to the death penalty, but that is my moral paradigm built upon the moral philosophies I adhere to. You are entitled to my beliefs and I mine. Do I believe yours are wrong? Yes, but I'm not going to be an ass about it.
@chapoec: One should always argue intelligently lest the unintelligent/fallacious forms of arguing seep into those arenas where intelligent argument is necessary.
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@Nintenboy01: Statistics show that pulling out is as effective as condom use (no seriously). The evolutionary theory of why 'pre-ejaculate' happens, is that the female's body actively kills sperm, this gives the mother load a bit of 'cover' when racing to inseminate. Normally pulling out doesn't work when the guy looses his load, then lies about it ;) #contraception
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@bagellord: My example can be expanded for any finite number of beings. 10 billion more aliens need porn? then we need 10 billion more porns. still a finite number. #contraception
Back in Medieval times, they'd use animal organs as condoms, too. Just imagine how many diseases were contracted in the name of not having a kid? Blech. #contraception
Modern methods arent much better if you dont know how to use them. My cousin is a doctor in a rural area and a young woman came to him for the pill and then came back in 3 months, pregnant. He asked her, "Did you not use the pills I gave you? To that she reponded, "Yeah I inserted one in my vagina every day...I dont know why they didint work..." #contraception
@Curves: So true... having worked in clinics, it's amazing to hear all the different ideas that women and men have about how to use birth control. People hardly ever read instruction manuals for gadgets/computers let alone for pills. #contraception
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This article had a happy ending.
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*does a tap dance*
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Madness.
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Changes in appetite; changes in sexual desire; constipation; dizziness; drowsiness; dry mouth; increased saliva production; lightheadedness; tiredness; trouble concentrating; unsteadiness; weight changes.
No rape/ murder here.
I approve ;)
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Now excuse me as I hop off of my liberal sociologist soapbox.
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But I live in Canada, where we don't do the death penalty. I don't hate my government for it, but I sure wish it would change one day. Or at least exile people haha
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He demonstrated an ability to identify impressionable youths and develop them into serial killers. An innocent pen-pal relationship or a friendship with a soon-to-be-released convict is an opening to further extend his reach, even from behind bars.
I feel that his death was absolutely right, not as punishment for a series of horrifying and unforgivable acts, but as a necessary means to snuff out the influence of a dangerous man.
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As for exiling people, I mean, isn't that how the great nation of Australia started? It literally is a nation of pirates, murderers, rapists, and thieves.
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With that, I've been in trouble for politically debating on here, so I will take the rest of my opinions and run.
That flash of light? That was me, I be runnin.
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Additionally, I am not stupid. Grad schools, especially mine, don't allow dumbasses in. Nice ad hominem attack. In context, my statement makes perfect sense. Some forms of execution do fall under cruel and unusual, hence why there was a hiatus on all execution via lethal injection and why the gas chamber is no longer used. Beyond that, I was pointing out how medical testing would most definitely fall under cruel and unusual.
I don't believe anyone is entitled to the death penalty, but that is my moral paradigm built upon the moral philosophies I adhere to. You are entitled to my beliefs and I mine. Do I believe yours are wrong? Yes, but I'm not going to be an ass about it.
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Damn, I just cringed reading that.. #contraception
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shhh! shut up! what are you doing!? that's the best part! #contraception
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I therefore invoke rule 34 and consider the issue closed. #contraception
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Something for everyone != infinite porn
~7 billion people on earth, means we need at most 7 billion different pornographic situations. #contraception
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@Mike Zuniga: That was Unexpected: #contraception
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ah yes, the days when a sort of twisted vicarious bestiality was the norm. #contraception
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Epic dry mouth. #contraception
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d'oh, i've been crushing em up and sniffing them. they burn really bad til you get to the placebo ones. #contraception
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