@BergenCountyJC can't beat MW2: Sure, tell you what, we'll give you back ALL of your tax money and you can then go defend yourself and become a self sustaining entity. Sound good to you? So if there's a fire in your home or you need the police you can fend for yourself... obviously, you won't be able to use the public roads either. Forget about using the US Postal Service.
@BergenCountyJC can't beat MW2: This hokey pokey stuff is a small step towards getting even remotely close to competing with other countries that are ahead of the US in science and math education. The US ranks 48th in the world in science and math graduates. China has twice as many engineering, computer science, and information technology graduates per year.
What do you think our government is doing this for, just for the fuck of it?
@Madeira: Well maybe commenting in a classroom article wasn't the best place for my comment however my statement is moreso concerning the reckless spending that's been going on this entire year. Granted Dubya set us on this path early on, the later part of his second term was controlled by a Democratic senate I believe -- correct me if I'm wrong. I'm not sure the old adage of spending money to make money is working right now.
@Zeomax: Do remember I am an avid tax payer -- I just disagree a lot with the way money is getting doled out currently. Public works and such are a given - that's not what I'm commenting about - I'm just stating my opinion on the distribution of gov't spending as of late. No need to get angry or raise our Internet voices.
@BergenCountyJC can't beat MW2: Reckless? There isn't a better way to spend than on education. This is one of the more significant problems that will bite us in the ass if we can't get more kids interested in science and math.
Republicans have been horrible for education, especially during the Bush Admin- promoting non-science like creationism in school curriculum, altering documents and doctoring findings about climate change to fit their party agenda, de-funding science programs in the US that were competing with other countries in important new discoveries, etc. Yet another Republican mess that Dems have to clean up.
@Madeira: Speaking of altering documents, doctoring findings -- one organization comes to mind, the C.I.A. -- which was created by Truman (D). Messes indeed.
@Madeira: I was listening to H Stern yesterday on Sirus -- with him doing the Ted Kennedy impression (which I think he retired after his passing) -- probably the funniest thing I ever heard "ER A...." It's like watching the Departed with those hideous Boston accents.
I got my degree in engineering 2 years ago and was able to get a federal grant. It's not like there wasn't already money encouraging students to go into science and engineering fields. If anything federal money into the school system skews market forces and keeps tuition rising. The only way to keep tuition prices from going through the roof is to allow people to pay what they believe is fair. As long as the government keeps pumping money into the system then demand is artificially inflated and tuition rates go up resulting in a vicious cycle.
@yantelope: But if states are reneging on their responsibility to fund their public institutions, this might be the next best thing. In fact, I think it's more likely that tuition hikes are more a direct result of states abdicating their responsibilities to fund higher learning, not the presence of federal funding for science
@yantelope: Two questions, fellow engineering graduate:
(1) What if I'm a clever fellow and aced all the requisite standardized tests and easily maintained an enviable GPA, and I felt I'd be such an assest that I shouldn't have to pay or should have to pay very little to attend the school of my choice? What if the "market" consensus for a "fair price" is unsustainably low?
(2) If the government stops pumping money into the system (I assume you mean through grants and student loans), are you sure demand for a college education will abate? In the absence of that money, do the poor have any chance of attending college?
Bonus question: What do you think the economic cost is of having the less qualified work force that would inevitably result from having fewer college-educated people?
@Excited_Utterance: Well, most all states (as well as the federal gov) are in severe budget crises now. I know California has been releasing prisoners early. I would rather the states shed funding for schools before releasing dangerous criminals back onto the streets. All this though I think is somewhat moot when most universities are receiving more applications than they have room for so when you're selling out of a product or service you raise your price to take advantage of the demand.
@atlasfugged: Right now we don't have a shortage of college degrees in America. We may have a shortage of youth who choose technical degrees but that isn't because of a lack of funding IMO.
I don't believe there is a right to higher education. My parents made too much to get grants and not enough to be able to pay for my schooling. It fit right in the problem area (they made about 50-60K). I was given an academic scholarship from the university because they want to attract higher SAT scores to boost their numbers. I had to take out a loan and I had to work a lot during college. It's not impossible for the poor to attend college. It may be impossible for the poor to attend elite private schools. Is that something the federal government should address? No.
Also I did finally get a grant when I got married and declared myself independent. Then I was living below the poverty line and the government gave me money. So I just tell college students to do the same regardless of how rich their parents are.
I don't think we're going to have a problem with an uneducated populous as more people than ever are getting college degrees (especially women). I think the problem is so many of those are in psychology and english and there isn't a lot of demand for those sorts of degrees. Encouraging kids interest in science is good but I don't think the solution is to throw money at the problem. I'm for more science in schools but lets do it at the expense of some of the arts and sports and things kids will be happy to do in their spare time without government funding.
@DigitalPasture: Nope, it's irrefutable because NONE of us know about the color Gredlow. It doesn't exist now, and none of us can remember its existence. Hence the scenario above is not incorrect.
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What do you think our government is doing this for, just for the fuck of it?
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Republicans have been horrible for education, especially during the Bush Admin- promoting non-science like creationism in school curriculum, altering documents and doctoring findings about climate change to fit their party agenda, de-funding science programs in the US that were competing with other countries in important new discoveries, etc. Yet another Republican mess that Dems have to clean up.
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(1) What if I'm a clever fellow and aced all the requisite standardized tests and easily maintained an enviable GPA, and I felt I'd be such an assest that I shouldn't have to pay or should have to pay very little to attend the school of my choice? What if the "market" consensus for a "fair price" is unsustainably low?
(2) If the government stops pumping money into the system (I assume you mean through grants and student loans), are you sure demand for a college education will abate? In the absence of that money, do the poor have any chance of attending college?
Bonus question: What do you think the economic cost is of having the less qualified work force that would inevitably result from having fewer college-educated people?
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I don't believe there is a right to higher education. My parents made too much to get grants and not enough to be able to pay for my schooling. It fit right in the problem area (they made about 50-60K). I was given an academic scholarship from the university because they want to attract higher SAT scores to boost their numbers. I had to take out a loan and I had to work a lot during college. It's not impossible for the poor to attend college. It may be impossible for the poor to attend elite private schools. Is that something the federal government should address? No.
Also I did finally get a grant when I got married and declared myself independent. Then I was living below the poverty line and the government gave me money. So I just tell college students to do the same regardless of how rich their parents are.
I don't think we're going to have a problem with an uneducated populous as more people than ever are getting college degrees (especially women). I think the problem is so many of those are in psychology and english and there isn't a lot of demand for those sorts of degrees. Encouraging kids interest in science is good but I don't think the solution is to throw money at the problem. I'm for more science in schools but lets do it at the expense of some of the arts and sports and things kids will be happy to do in their spare time without government funding.
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Everything is exactly the same, but the color gredlow no longer exists.
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A 21st Century Escher.
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I'm sure he lists his body type as "average" too.
Someone is going to be so let down when they meet up for burritos at Chipotle.
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