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    Image of The5thElephant The5thElephant
    11/12/09

    In reply to Gadget Singularity: Let's Ditch Our Buttons and Screens Forever
    I have a feeling I know how we will be typing sans-keyboard in the near future.

    Recently they have been experimenting with detecting the position and flex of muscles in the body, particularly of the fingers. The example they used was playing Guitar Hero with an air guitar (it worked, was quite cool).

    With some miniaturized sensors (they are already pretty small) this tech could easily be applied to typing. It would require adapting to your typing style, but fairly quickly I bet people could get used to making typing gestures with their hands in any position. The computer would just need to learn how you move your fingers for particular letters (you would have to know how to touch type of course).

    This would eliminate wrist strain, eliminate the need for a keyboard, and allow for typing while doing numerous other things.

    This could also easily apply to moving a cursor around. #singularity
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    Image of gregwhat gregwhat
    11/12/09

    In reply to Gadget Singularity: Let's Ditch Our Buttons and Screens Forever
    I strongly disagree on one part of your note: screen resolutions. Most of the time, when you look at printed material, you're looking at dots. And it doesn't hurt your eyes. Quite the opposite in fact. I think 110ppi is not "too much" but "not enough". The day our eyes won't be able to discern the pixels is when the strain will stop (and us designers will be very happy with our 300ppi screens!).
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    Image of MMBman7171 MMBman7171
    11/12/09

    In reply to Gadget Singularity: Let's Ditch Our Buttons and Screens Forever
    Umm I am cool with avoiding the cyborg thing. I appreciate the fact that this kind of thing could help disabled people.....but seriously it is scary enough that your compy or lappy can be hacked. Just think if your freakin BODY got hacked! Ummmm can you say "Oh, Snap!!!!" #singularity
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    Image of Kirkaiya Kirkaiya
    11/12/09

    In reply to Gadget Singularity: Let's Ditch Our Buttons and Screens Forever
    In the longer-term, assuming that direct-to-mind computing is indeed coming, interfaces might not be really "visual" at all. It's known that both dolphins, and people blind from a young age, are able to conceptually build 3D "maps" of areas, in ways that are distinctly different than the ones we build using our vision.

    So maybe, just as I can type this sentence without thinking about individual letters, or keys, or what finger is doing what (because my brain was "trained" in typing class in 10th grade), we'll be able to train our brains to use some "conceptual" interface that is a hybrid of visual and non-visual, or a completely non-visual, but "think-able" way of manipulating information.

    In the shorter term, look for fudges like flexible, foldable or rollable displays, retina-projection displays that clip onto sunglasses, and smartphones that are literally "all screen" (sort of like HTC's Touch HD2, but more so). We can squeeze another decade of progress out of the "edge-to-edge touch-screen" paradigm, by refining the UIs that are used. Palm, Apple and Google have all been slowly pushing that envelope. #singularity
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    Image of SGTalon SGTalon
    11/11/09

    In reply to Gadget Singularity: Let's Ditch Our Buttons and Screens Forever
    There are practical examples of HUD's that are very effective and used on a daily basis. Military Aircraft. There have been head mounted versions of the HUD for decades and they just keep improving.

    Personally I would love to have a HUD and earphone implanted in my head. I would still want to have a computer screen for graphics intensive applications but things like phone interfacing, clocks, instant messages, etc. I think a simple vision overlay like the Terminator Version would be very helpful. #singularity
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    11/11/09

    In reply to Gadget Singularity: Let's Ditch Our Buttons and Screens Forever
    You do realize that after the pixels per inch number surpasses what the human eye is capable of seeing from a given viewing distance, anti-aliasing becomes irrelevant, right?
    I had the great pleasure of using a laptop with a 15" 2048x1536 QXGA display (~171ppi) and while eyestrain was alarming when text was set to the default 1 pixel weight, simply increasing the font to an acceptably readable size and turning off cleartype resulted in perhaps the smoothest and most readable type I've ever seen rendered on a laptop display.
    Having used an IBM T221 at one point, the thing is abso-fucking-lutely amazing at full rez: 204 dpi. It was actually a challenge to set up layouts and design for print with it because text and graphics literally look smoother than they print at in most cases. The monitor has all the detail of a high quality glossy magazine cover if said magazine cover was printed on a 120 nit light bulb.
    Any designer can tell you that as displays get sharper, you need to increase the font size until you aren't straining your eyes.

    PS: Nice unibrow, really compliments the five o'clock shadow and the diamond stud earring is the icing that completes the "total douchebag" look. #singularity
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    11/11/09

    In reply to Gadget Singularity: Let's Ditch Our Buttons and Screens Forever
    "Apple's recent iMac revision increased the desktop monitor's pixels per inch rating to about 110. That's the equivalent of a laptop levels of density, but on a big 27-inch screen, and it was so sharp, it hurt. Any desk jockey can tell you that as displays get sharper, the strain goes up."

    That is easily the stupidest and least-supported claim I've seen on the internet this week. And that's saying something.

    For an informed discussion of computer-related eye strain from people who might actually know what they're talking about, try this page from the American Optometric Association at [www.aoa.org]

    Note that the article's only mention of display sharpness directly contradicts the claim above: "Viewing a video display terminal screen is different than viewing a typewritten or printed page. Often the letters on a VDT screen are not as precise or sharply defined, the level of contrast of the letters to the background is reduced and the presence of glare and reflections on the screen may make viewing more difficult."

    If your iMac's screen hurts your eyes, try turning down the brightness or removing other light sources which may be causing screen glare.

    If that doesn't work, maybe you can try placing a diffusion filter in front of your monitor (or simply smear it liberally with Vaseline) to reduce the excessive clarity.
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    Image of Brian Lam Brian Lam
    11/12/09

    @uhlume+gizmodo: disagree. also, you're offensive. #singularity
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    Image of spudhed spudhed
    11/11/09

    In reply to Gadget Singularity: Let's Ditch Our Buttons and Screens Forever
    of course we are the limitation, or rather our lack of understanding of the body is the limitation, if we knew everything then adding extra functionality would be a breeze. the sad truth is that most of the cybernetic tech we see is aimed at replacing lost functionality rather than expanding working features (wow i really do think of the body as a system, does that make me even stranger?). im sure the dobelle AVS could be quite easily modified to overlay images onto the vision you have already or allow infra red or night vision modes, but its never even been connected to a seeing person. its such a shame really. #singularity
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    Image of Software_Goddess Software_Goddess
    11/11/09

    In reply to Gadget Singularity: Let's Ditch Our Buttons and Screens Forever
    This guy really needs a tweezers, a razor, a loufa, and some moisturizer! #singularity
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    Image of Project_J187 Project_J187
    11/12/09


    @Software_Goddess: That's Billy Zane! #singularity
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    Image of ChocoboSandwich ChocoboSandwich
    11/11/09

    In reply to Gadget Singularity: Let's Ditch Our Buttons and Screens Forever
    We've reached our limit in the input department. But really, who cares? Going Ghost in the Shell and using mind control won't be here for a good half century or never. Trying to transcend human limitations is saying you don't want to be human, but I've seen too many movies where people are trying to revert back to their humanity for me to not think twice if I was offered to chance to have my subconscious implanted in a robot. We haven't really improved in the input department since the mouse was created or the ubiquitous qwerty keyboard, and my bets are that really is our limit.

    And about pixel density. There's no point in making it smaller if you can't see it. Adding resolution to a display where you can't even see the individual pixels means you are eating up resources for virtually no gain. People don't want smaller and smaller devices. They just want it portable and be accessible anywhere. The next step would be to allow more screen real estate to show up in a smaller package, like rollable OLED displays, and like some other commentors have said, to streamline the whole process so that you won't have to worry about the absolutely mundane stuff like turning on/off wifi or flight mode.
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    Image of waclark57 waclark57
    11/11/09

    @ChocoboSandwich: I disagree on the input statement. We can talk way faster than we can type. What we need is far better voice recognition SW along with some HW to filter out background noise (along with backgroud voices) so our input is "clean".

    Another problem is that the tools we use to represent concepts and ideas are part of the limitation. By that I mean that most non-Asian cultures use individual letters/words which are formed into sentences and ideas. Slow.

    The Chinese can represent an idea with a single "ideogram" character. We even have small examples of that in western culture like the Hand symbol when it's safe to cross the street and other symbology like a red circle with a line through it to represent that you should not do "something".

    Likewise someone needs to kill the "mouse". Put a fork in it, it's done. Great idea for its time but its time has passed. We need better input options than a mouse. #singularity
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    Image of ChocoboSandwich ChocoboSandwich
    11/11/09

    @waclark57: You cannot talk faster than you can type, unless you are a slow typer, and you don't need to breathe. The editor of the article even states that he doesn't believe voice or gestures are practical for any length of time.

    Please name an input method more accurate and easier to use than a mouse, because its definitely not touchscreens.

    And did you know that Chinese people actually type romanized characters to input Chinese? Its called pinyin, although there are other input methods that can be a bit faster but are still keyboard based. If your talking about writing it, it has the same problems as writing words by hand. And one character doesn't represent one concrete idea. You need at least two characters like a compound word to get any real meaning, and newer words are getting bigger with 3 or 4 character lengths, all comprising of a ton of strokes if you were to write them physically. The Koreans have their own alphabet now, meaning they are exactly like western cultures. The Japanese are slowly phasing out there use of Chinese characters. Even the Chinese, who are proud of their writing system, have simplified their characters to allow for faster writing, as well as adopted to above mentioned pinyin system as an official way to alphabetize their language and "input" it into electronic devices. You argument that non-character or Asian-based input is "slow" is quite flawed. #singularity
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    Image of Nathan Obbards Nathan Obbards
    11/11/09

    In reply to Gadget Singularity: Let's Ditch Our Buttons and Screens Forever

    Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn #singularity
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    Image of met2art met2art
    11/11/09

    In reply to Gadget Singularity: Let's Ditch Our Buttons and Screens Forever
    Anything that requires a user to wear gloves or glasses is junk that will swiftly be relegated to obscurity in a scrap heap. Such novelty junk has been around for years and nobody wants it because it doesn't accomplish anything. I'd love to see the day where standardized Direct Neural Interfaces are de rigueur for the majority of typical computing applications. Unfortunately, the typical generational techno-inertia that we see is likely to be drastically compounded when it comes to tech involving surgical procedures. We already suffer buyer's remorse shortly after we buy the latest video card or CPU. How much worse will it be when it involves surgical procedures that fiddle with brain tissue, or optic nerves?

    For these reasons, and many more, I foresee screen technology (whether LCD screens or projectors of a sort) remaining the standard for many, many years to come. We're social animals, and sharing the view is part of what we love. If anything, I see displays becoming larger, with higher resomolutions, and being easily "painted" onto walls. Anything else seems like pipe dreams inspired by 80s cyberpunk fiction (which has not aged well.) #singularity
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    Image of tylerbrainerd tylerbrainerd
    11/11/09

    @met2art: Yeah! If they have to wear anything that sits on their face or clips onto their ears or that they wear on their wrist or...

    wait, that stuff is working and people do want it. especially bluetooth headsets and wireless headphones. they just have to be reliable and cheap. #singularity
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    Image of Neimo Neimo
    11/11/09

    @met2art: I disagree. How often do people share their cell phone displays with others besides showing a photo? Not often. I think future cell phones will still have displays, but they'll be three inches in diameter and be complemented by transparent eyepieces like the Lumus PD-18.

    I think displays like those will catch on quickly when the price comes down enough. People will be won over having 800x600 resolution today or 1024x768 tomorrow. #singularity
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    Image of met2art met2art
    11/11/09

    @tylerbrainerd: Earpieces for phone calls aren't in the same category. Telephone conversation always has been, by and large, direct to the ear since its inception. Bluetooth is simply an extension of the standard way people use their phones... having the conversation privately directed to their ears. The fact that it is wireless isn't revolutionary, nor is the fact that it is smaller. The basic function it performs has not changed at all, and it doesn't preclude one from performing other tasks by imparting limitations on perception of one's surrounding.

    Moving from a LCD monitor to a privately viewed headmounted display is a radical shift in usability that places enormous limitations on the product. It puts more burden on the user with little practical benefit, and hinders the performance of other tasks. This is why no headmounted display has ever caught on as a practical alternative for daily use of a computer or portable computing device. #singularity
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    11/11/09

    @Neimo: Perhaps not everyone shows their phone screens to other people all the time, but it's a tremendous convenience. I'd wager that people show their screens to others more often than they'd imagine. Adding complimentary display tech is fine A screen is indispensable to show a photo to a friend, quickly check a map, glance to see the time, quickly look up a phone number, or read a quick text or email. Putting on a pair of glasses to do any of that would be very annoying. Increasing the resolution won't solve the inherent lack of need for such a niche product. It also adds cost without adding much useful functionality.

    Perhaps for some games, or private movie viewing on an airplane, or extremely specific industrial or military use... but for general consumer use, I see almost no practical benefit of wearable glasses displays (like the Lumus PD-18 you mentioned) as a prevalent screen replacement technology. I've yet to be given a solid counter-argument for this, and apparently, neither has the consumer public. (This isn't to say, as a gadget lover, I wouldn't want to try a pair... but they'd always be a novelty, and useless for my daily computer needs as an artist, writer and sometime-musician.)

    On the other hand, perhaps there will be a major revolution in head-mounted displays that weigh less than an ounce, can't be lost, don't drain battery power and have super high resolution, and don't make everyone look like a reject from an 80s sci-fi flick. When and if, perhaps everyone will want a pair so they can finally get some practical use of their cellphones, which have always been hindered by restrictive 2D display technology. #singularity
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    Image of Kinkaid Kinkaid
    11/11/09

    @met2art: Well, as technology progresses and things continue to be miniaturized, it may not be long before we can manufacture wearable displays which are no larger than conventional glasses. As for showing others your screen, if the tech were prevalent enough and bound to a standard such as bluetooth then perhaps the user could live stream their screen to whoever wants to see it. #singularity
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    Image of Neimo Neimo
    11/11/09

    @met2art: Not everyone has a smartphone and not everyone has to have high resolution glasses that augment reality and make reading webpages or navigating far easier. Also people who lose their glasses all the time shouldn't get these when they're available.

    Depending on what kind of artist or musician you are, you might find them capable of augmenting your work in interesting ways. For example a camera in the glasses could track two blank pages on a music stand and overlay the notes. You wouldn't have to turn the pages. #singularity
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    Image of nutbastard nutbastard
    11/11/09

    In reply to Gadget Singularity: Let's Ditch Our Buttons and Screens Forever
    the mouse and the keyboard are interesting devices, not unlike, say, the steering wheel.

    they do more to accomodate the inherent limitations of human anatomy than take advantage of it.

    even the concept of the GUI falls into that category. it's modeled around simply making something accessible for humans. it's current form is obviously better than its original form, but inevitably, our limits limit IT.

    imagine if you could do computation without going through the physical middleman of your eyes, ears, and hands for input and feedback. it's the next logical steps, but i wonder if it's not a terrible idea to leave some limitations in place.

    in a world where to think it is to do it, i could see people getting seriously hooked on brain based computing. information/stimulation addiction may well be a reality in a few more years.

    i mean, look at how helpless some modern people feel when rudimentary technologies like electricity or long distance communications are suddenly unavailable. i believe there is even a psychological term for trauma caused by a sudden absence of technology.

    now imagine you've been jacked into a cerebrally interactive computing system on a constant basis since you were say, 5, and you're 30 now, and it goes off. #singularity
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    Image of Joe Stoner Joe Stoner
    11/11/09

    In reply to Gadget Singularity: Let's Ditch Our Buttons and Screens Forever
    I think that you're tackling the problem from the wrong direction. You are assuming that we'll want a smaller device, and that we'll want to be able to do more with it - but I don't think that will float.

    What we really will want is fewer devices that we'll actually have LESS control over. Meaning it will micromanage itself more, and let us do the tasks we want to do. No more selecting WiFi, no syncing, and so on. Why do you have to switch your phone to vibrate when you're in a loud area? Let your phone figure out how to get your attention. This is just an example but maybe you can see where I'm going here - it's easy to think the next idea for a device is to make it smaller, more storage, more buttons, more radios, and so on - but then you get Windows Mobile. Or "media center" keyboards, or cell phones with higher megapixel cameras.

    Those are the pedestrian brainstorms that keep some businesses afloat while some other business thinks of an actual new idea. #singularity
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    Image of Brian Lam Brian Lam
    11/12/09

    @joestoner: were you stoned when you wrote this? because it's kind of genius. #singularity
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    Image of Joe Stoner Joe Stoner
    11/13/09

    @Brian Lam: Heh, "Stoner" is actually my last name and I was totally sober for that comment. Thanks for the star! #singularity
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    Image of Platypus Man Platypus Man
    11/11/09

    In reply to Gadget Singularity: Let's Ditch Our Buttons and Screens Forever

    Looks cool, but how far away are we from this? #singularity
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