@drew00629: For a TV yes, because you never want to look at it. For this and other music solutions, no, because you DO want to look at it (you're not staring at anything else while operating the remote).
One thing that I don't understand-you state fairly clearly "The downside to the CR200 is that its battery doesn't last all that long", yet battery life is included (with range) as one of the "Pluses". What's up? Is the battery good or bad? Or is it something along the lines of "You can have it out of its charger for 8 hours, so it's great for a party, but don't try leaving it unplugged overnight"?
@Lupus_Yonderboy: It's not great as in you can't leave it unattended for a week, but it won't go die on you if you forgot to charge it for a day or two. So it's mediocre. Not awful, not great. Just long enough, but not as long as say, an iPod Touch.
@Jason Chen: That's assuming you're using you're iPod Touch just as a remote... and hell that'd be cheaper to get one just for that. If you use it for some random games while you're watching a boring TV show, well then that'll last about a day or two.
In this case, the iPod touch/iPhone beat this (for me), because the obvious savings exist in the fact that, in either case, I'd own an iPod to do other things. I treat my remotes like crap, but my iPod I baby the hell out of.
I am not understanding what the benefit is of this unit vs an express and the remote app. Multiple rooms playing different tunes? What am I missing here?
@Aaron Huebner: It's an upgrade. It's the not-jury-rigged version of what you can do with an Express. It's higher quality, and dedicated only to music. Also you don't need a computer constantly running iTunes for it to work... it can access all sorts of online radios.
I think the best thing is that it's dedicated only to being a remote. I'd rather have a place for this, and know where it is, then looking for my iPod every time I want to mess with the music in the house.
@tylerstyle: the only people who can make use of the app are people who buy the overpriced hardware, so it builds brand loyalty for existing customers. The main purpose however is to reduce the cost to the potential buyer - someone might be tempted to get a Sonos system if they knew they only had to spend $350 instead of $700.
It's been reported to work great with pushing songs to Denon 4308 and 3808 AVRs. User wasn't even expecting it but they showed up in the drop down list and worked great. Hopefully it's the same case for many network aware appliances.
@Nekrik: Yep, there are a lot of unofficial Play To sightings out there—a few people have mentioned different products in these comments. I have asked the DLNA to publish the official list, and when they do, we'll run it. It's just tricky because there's no guarantee a DLNA 1.0 product will work by default, and Microsoft itself is keeping pretty mum about compatibility until they iron out their kinks.
The problem is that other companies (IE: Sony) always want to make their devices run their own proprietary format against what is standard so it would probably be no different with "Play to". They'll make it so Sony phones can only play to Sony TV's and Sony laptops. Way to be a team player Sony...
Just curious Wilson what exactly about the XBox media center extender is worse than the dashboard interface? I find that the extender software has better image zoom fast forward/rewind etc controls.
@Xeno: Mainly file format conversion, and the ability (or lack thereof) to reach out to random networked folders of content. I'm not talking about the transport controls, though I don't like the fact that the Extender in general is soooo dependent on the Media Center PC for even simple UI. I'd rather a hoss like the Xbox 360 do its own computering, if you get me.
Who are we kidding? This is Microsoft we are talking about here. It won't be open for every device under the sun. It will at best work with Microsoft products well and not so well with anyone else. At worst work with Microsoft products and their partners only. I am willing to bet that Microsoft will use this feature as a leverage for devices that are at least partnered with them so we are likely not going to see support for Apple iPhones and iPods. Any takers?My vote is ... "not open to every device".
@Christopher Cox: What about silverlight internet explorer windows media player seadragon photosynth microsoft hardware (mouse keyboards etc.) xbox and their entire OS. Just a list of some things that play nicely with others. Sure I can't use my zune on my mac and would like to. But saying everything is closed is ridiculous.
"likely not going to see support for Apple iPhones and iPods." - see seadragon iphone app.
"It will at best work with Microsoft products well and not so well with anyone else." - see Microsoft Office.
And if you are going to bash anything make sure you back it up with facts not just anecdotes sayings and whatever else you mixed in with it.
With the Sonos, the main advantage over the airport express is that you basically get the pandora type stuff. That's not a huge improvement for $200more than the airport express. True, the sonos is an amp as well, but, can you hook up decent setero speakers directly to the sonos box, bypassing a reciever?
@MrBlahBlah: Yes. It is a 110 watt, stereo high quality amp. These guys are very picky about sound quality, and Apple definitely is NOT. The sound coming out of an Airport Express is just as bad as the sound coming out of an iPod. It'll never bother you on headphones, but it'll eat you alive on a decent sound system.
Also, sonos supports digital out on all their non-amplified stations.
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That being said, if I had the money to own a Sonos system, the iPhone app would be my pick. I'm all about consolidation/convergence
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It has a 1850mAH battery in it, which is about 1/3 more then then an iPhone/iPod.
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"likely not going to see support for Apple iPhones and iPods." - see seadragon iphone app.
"It will at best work with Microsoft products well and not so well with anyone else." - see Microsoft Office.
And if you are going to bash anything make sure you back it up with facts not just anecdotes sayings and whatever else you mixed in with it.
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Also, sonos supports digital out on all their non-amplified stations.
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