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    Image of ThickSkinned ThickSkinned
    11/02/09

    In reply to Wall of Sound iPod Dock Stands 3 Feet Tall by 4 Feet Wide

    That's not a wall of sound. Now this, this is a Wall of Sound. #wallofsound
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    Image of curious-character curious-character
    11/02/09

    @ThickSkinned: That's an awesome picture of what might be the world's dumbest sound system. Very apropos to this product. #wallofsound
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    Image of Bluecold Bluecold
    11/02/09

    @curious-character: Better do some research. That is the Wall of Sound from the Grateful Dead. It was designed with quality in mind. It was so accurate the band didn't need seperate monitors.
    26.400W of McIntosh power is nothing to sneeze at. #wallofsound
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    Image of AmphetamineCrown AmphetamineCrown
    11/02/09

    @Bluecold: Amen. As I recall, they were widely acknowledged as having the best concert rig around.

    Er, think that might be 26,400W... Unless you are one of them foreign-types that seems to swaps "," and "." in numbers just to confuse me. #wallofsound
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    Image of curious-character curious-character
    11/02/09

    @Bluecold: Do some research and let me know if you find that I made any comment about the quality of the sound system. It is ridiculous. Did you know that cutting the sound system in half would sacrifice a mere 3 dB? And the band didn't need monitors b/c they are in the coverage patter of the system, which probably made feedback control a real problem for vocals. They needed 3 of these monstrosities to tour with due to set-up and tear-down time. Sorry, I come from a world were value matters, and I would never make a client waste such a huge amount of money on a phallus of...oops I mean wall of sound. #wallofsound
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    Image of AmphetamineCrown AmphetamineCrown
    11/02/09

    @curious-character: "cutting the sound system in half would sacrifice a mere 3 dB"... well... yeah, 3dB is a factor of two, so, well... yeah. And using quarter of the system would be a loss of only 6dB.

    C'mon man, value mattered to Dead. Value as in the experience delivered to the fans that toured with them. You don't think it was the client that demanded that set up? #wallofsound
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    Image of curious-character curious-character
    11/02/09

    @AmphetamineCrown: I don't know who demanded it, all I know is that it's like building a Wall of Car. Attach increasingly powerful engines to a wall on wheels and you can have one that goes really fast. This of course neglects other important principles of speed such as aerodynamics. But who needs aerodynamics when you can just buy jet engines to make the wall go faster? And even if it is what the client demands, that doesn't mean it is the right solution for them. Some argue that the hassles associated with the Wall of Sound contributed to their first retirement...note that when they came back, it was sans WoS. #wallofsound
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    Image of AmphetamineCrown AmphetamineCrown
    11/03/09

    @curious-character: Most of what has been written about the WoS is pretty laudatory. Everyone's favorite wiki says it was "the largest portable sound system ever built" and capable of "high quality playback at six hundred feet with acceptable sound projected for a quarter of a mile." They also note that it "was very efficient for its time." It incorporated a number of sophisticated mechanisms and concepts and wasn't just muscle as you seem to imply--remember, this system was built 35 years ago.

    But you think it's "the world's dumbest sound system." If I understand right, you would have made it smaller and quieter because you think that is value. But then--correct me if I'm wrong--the Dead wouldn't have had the largest sound system ever built, would they? If I'm recalling correctly that SPLs drop off as d squared, your proposal to halve the power would mean that it would have good audio quality at only 150 feet (instead of 600) and acceptable quality at 330 feet (instead of 1/4 mi.)? That is "smarter" exactly how?

    Bottom line, I can criticize a Shelby Cobra and say they could get at least half the speed with a four cylinder engine instead of a V8. But what is the point? It sure as heck doesn't make me better than Carroll Shelby as a car designer. The egotism of believing that your understanding of "value" should be universal is pretty appalling. #wallofsound
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    Image of curious-character curious-character
    11/03/09

    @AmphetamineCrown: Really? You find my sound-bite opinion on a 35 year old sound system "appalling"? Perspective…get some.

    While you’re at it, you might want to avoid wikimath calcs, they don’t become you. In free-field radiation of energy (sound or otherwise), the inverse square law applies to the pressure, power or intensity in linear units. SPL is in dB so your math is completely wrong. If 600 ft was the cutoff radius for acceptable coverage level (which btw is a misinterpretation of the wiki article…see below) then cutting 3 dB would reduce it to about 426 ft, not 150.

    But all of that is rather irrelevant to the idea of "good audio quality". Level is hardly the only aspect of "good audio quality" though you seem to interpret that as being 100% correlated to level. But certainly level is important, which is why no one designs nearly omni-directional sound systems like this one. You can make up for lost level by increasing directivity (and yes, horn-loaded drivers did exist 35 years ago). Yes there are tradeoffs to everything in audio, maybe the near-field fidelity would not have been as pure. But then again, how much do you think the fans cared about the fidelity when the tour was canceled due to the logistical nightmare of the WoS.

    Finally, your comparison to cutting speed in half just further demonstrates your ignorance in relation to audio. My point was that cutting the system in half would not even come close to cutting the performance in half…and as I have further indicated, you could make up for the lost level with very common audio design principles. The WoS was indeed application of pure power ignoring other design principles. It is the "more cowbell" approach to audio which results in ridiculously large and overpriced systems which could be engineered to be just as effective at a fraction of the cost. But if you find my opinion too appalling to stomach, you can just go ahead and let this thread die, I doubt anyone else is reading at this point anyway.
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    Edited by curious-character at 11/03/09 10:05 PM curious-character was starred curious-character was unstarred
    Image of skierpage skierpage
    11/04/09

    @curious-character: I doubt anyone else is reading at this point anyway.
    It's always entertaining to see someone make a ridiculous stupid statement ("world's dumbest sound system") and then tie themselves in knots trying to justify it. #wallofsound
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    Image of curious-character curious-character
    11/04/09

    @skierpage: I supported my opinion with facts, how about you? You claim my statement is ridiculous and stupid yet contribute nothing to justify it. Is it ridiculous because I don't agree with you and other opinions proffered in wiki articles? Is it stupid because I based my opinion on a decade of experience in audio and acoustics, supported by verifiable facts regarding common sound system design principles? While you're at it, please explain how my point-by-point rebuttals of AmphetamineCrown's misunderstanding of basic audio knowledge in any way justifies the comment that I am confused ("tie themselves in knots"). #wallofsound
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    Image of daftrok daftrok
    11/02/09

    In reply to Wall of Sound iPod Dock Stands 3 Feet Tall by 4 Feet Wide
    Over exaggerated, Over priced and Under powered. Yup, sounds like an Apple Product to me #wallofsound
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    Image of badhatharry badhatharry
    11/02/09

    @daftrok: Except Apple didn't build it, nor do they sell it. #wallofsound
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    Image of FooSchnickens - BPH Free FooSchnickens - BPH Free
    11/02/09

    In reply to Wall of Sound iPod Dock Stands 3 Feet Tall by 4 Feet Wide
    This thing lost all credibility at: "for people who believe that music should be listened to loudly." #wallofsound
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    Image of Coolmodo Coolmodo
    11/02/09

    In reply to Wall of Sound iPod Dock Stands 3 Feet Tall by 4 Feet Wide
    There were many occasions in life where I wished I had a Wall of Sound, looks at wife... #wallofsound
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    Image of Covertghost Covertghost
    11/02/09

    In reply to Wall of Sound iPod Dock Stands 3 Feet Tall by 4 Feet Wide
    A 225 pound 125 watt speaker?

    Really? #wallofsound
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    Image of badhatharry badhatharry
    11/02/09

    @Covertghost: No kidding. In a 3'x4' enclosure? Is the thing made of lead? #wallofsound
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    Image of AmphetamineCrown AmphetamineCrown
    11/02/09

    @badhatharry: No. The weight is attributable to the presence of a pair of midgets inside that look at what you selected on the iPod and sing it acapella. #wallofsound
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    Image of badhatharry badhatharry
    11/02/09

    @AmphetamineCrown: That go down to 40 Hz? Is one of them a Tibetan Throat Singing Midget? #wallofsound
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    Image of AmphetamineCrown AmphetamineCrown
    11/02/09

    @badhatharry: Are you kidding? Fred can hit the brown note without even adjusting his shorts. 40 Hz is a walk in the park. #wallofsound
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    Image of badhatharry badhatharry
    11/03/09

    @AmphetamineCrown: In college, some friends and I tried to find the brown note. I heard it's around 22.5 Hz. #wallofsound
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    Image of Lite: hates Illinois Nazis Lite: hates Illinois Nazis
    11/02/09

    In reply to Wall of Sound iPod Dock Stands 3 Feet Tall by 4 Feet Wide
    I'm sorry, but at 3' by 4' that fucker had better hit 20 hz and hit it hard. Like, so hard your momma's fine china 3 states away dies.

    And for $4,500 it sure as hell better at least kill that bitch dog Fluffy McMuffinator across the street whose 80 year-old owner lets it crap on my doorstep every morning.

    40 Hz? Who are you kidding? #wallofsound
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    Image of OMG! Ponies! OMG! Ponies!
    11/02/09

    In reply to Wall of Sound iPod Dock Stands 3 Feet Tall by 4 Feet Wide
    This will go great with my iTouch Ziggurat.

    The New iTouch Ziggurat: Every piece of music ever made in the history of mankind in your pocket.

    Starting at $299 for 5YB and $399 for 10YB
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    Image of GitEmSteveDave_RockinLabCoat GitEmSteveDave_RockinLabCoat
    11/02/09


    @OMG! Ponies!: Trademark infringe on my name, you have done. Hear from Jedi lawyers, you will. Adventure? Excitement? A Jedi craves not these things. Craves royalty checks, a Jedi does. #wallofsound
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    Image of OMG! Ponies! OMG! Ponies!
    11/02/09


    @GitEmSteveDave_SavingsTime: Nice try but YB stands for YANNIbyte, not YODAbyte. #wallofsound
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    Image of AmphetamineCrown AmphetamineCrown
    11/02/09

    @OMG! Ponies!: I definitely think Yanni bytes more than Yoda. #wallofsound
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    Image of GitEmSteveDave_RockinLabCoat GitEmSteveDave_RockinLabCoat
    11/02/09

    In reply to Wall of Sound iPod Dock Stands 3 Feet Tall by 4 Feet Wide
    So it's a speaker. Singular. Does that mean you need two for stereophonic sound? #wallofsound
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    Image of brobot brobot
    11/02/09

    @GitEmSteveDave_SavingsTime: Stereo?!? ppffffff all the hipsters know that MONO is making a comeback... #wallofsound
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    Image of Xeno Xeno
    11/02/09

    @brobot: I heard that iPods are out and wax cylinders are the new thing.
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    Image of FriarNurgle FriarNurgle
    11/02/09

    In reply to Wall of Sound iPod Dock Stands 3 Feet Tall by 4 Feet Wide
    Monster Cable approved. #wallofsound
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    Image of Xeno Xeno
    11/02/09

    In reply to Wall of Sound iPod Dock Stands 3 Feet Tall by 4 Feet Wide
    It boggles the mind. For 4500 you can build a pretty kick ass surround sound system. Or..... you can have one giant iPod dedicated speaker. Hmmmm, what to do, what to do? #wallofsound
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    Image of Hiphopopotamus Hiphopopotamus
    11/02/09

    In reply to Wall of Sound iPod Dock Stands 3 Feet Tall by 4 Feet Wide
    This is a great $5,000 reminder of how shitty your 160 kbps mp3s sound outside of your headphones. #wallofsound
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    Image of mattycakes mattycakes
    11/02/09

    @Hiphopopotamus: Or how great all 7 of your lossless albums sound.
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    Hiphopopotamus promoted this comment Edited by mattycakes at 11/02/09 11:49 AM mattycakes was starred mattycakes was unstarred
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    11/02/09

    @mattycakes: But only the 3 that you can fit onto that iPod Nano. #wallofsound
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    Image of Xeno Xeno
    11/02/09

    @Hiphopopotamus: Once the volume hits 100db the quality doesn't matter any more. #wallofsound
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    Image of Shikestarr Shikestarr
    11/02/09

    @Xeno: WOW that is so not correct. #wallofsound
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    11/02/09


    @Shikestarr: #wallofsound
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    11/05/09

    @Xeno: Oh, that was one of those incognito, context free "so funny it just looks like a statement" jokes. Hi-larious.

    I did, however, find your illustration to be pretty damn funny. #wallofsound
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    Image of Bertone77 Bertone77
    11/02/09

    In reply to Wall of Sound iPod Dock Stands 3 Feet Tall by 4 Feet Wide
    Not. Big. Enough.
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    Image of brianesser76 brianesser76
    11/02/09

    @Bertone77: What is that from? I know it from somewhere. #wallofsound
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    11/02/09

    @brianesser76: you gotta go... back in time! #wallofsound
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    11/02/09

    @Bertone77:

    Marty McFly: "You know, Doc, you left your equipment on all week."

    Doc Brown: "My equipment... That reminds me, Marty. You better not hook up to the amplifier. There's a slight possibility of overload."

    Marty: "Yeah, I'll... I'll uh.. keep that in mind." #wallofsound
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    Image of Odin Odin
    10/28/09

    In reply to I Like The Asspeaker Concept And I Cannot Lie
    The picture says tapping but all I'm reading is spanking. #asspeakersconcept
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    Image of Identity (reclamation) Identity (reclamation)
    10/28/09

    In reply to I Like The Asspeaker Concept And I Cannot Lie
    Wow, I think every sexual innuendo has already been stated.

    So, I will go with: These look pretty interesting. #asspeakersconcept
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    Image of GitEmSteveDave_RockinLabCoat GitEmSteveDave_RockinLabCoat
    10/27/09

    In reply to I Like The Asspeaker Concept And I Cannot Lie
    Thanks Rosa. You took something that someone could have been vulgar with, and classed it up!

    #RosaRocks #asspeakersconcept
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