I used to be against cameras here in Brazil, but statistics has proven that they really are preventing accidents from happening, specially the ones that results in deaths and serious injuries.
I don't know if that's the case in Arizona, and I do know for a fact that some of those cams are strategically placed in spots just to get the taxpayer money.
So I'm not really against the cams, but I say people need to question more (not only on blogs) about the placement of those.
Still, at least here were I live, drivers got what they deserved.
We have far too many wreckless drivers killing tons of innocent people every year just because they can't f*cking understand that driving fast isn't a problem just for people who can't drive... it doesn't matter if you are an awesome driver that can travel the speed of light without crashing.
The problem is also other drivers, bystanders, and numerous situations in which bad accidents can be avoided if only people would respect the speed limits.
But we live in a world of hypocrates. Usually, people will only support speeding cams when they have someone close to them killed by someone who was speeding.
cameras r there to make money, not to keep the drivers safe!! Im sure this guy is intentionally speeding up wherever there's a speeding camera just to prove his point!! telling cops to do their jobs!! i know cops r sooo busy trying to keep this country safe... hmmm wait.... what was that news about a girl being kidnapped for 18 year? by a...... shit, its so f#%ked up, i dont even wanna talk about it....
"Another idiot roams the world in his speeding car... This guy has avoided 37 tickets totaling $6700 using a monkey mask."
Think of it this way: he's been caught breaking the law 37 times... and yet nothing negative has come of it. no accidents. I think it's a little more likely that he's actually a skilled, safe driver who refuses to bow down to chickenshit pussy regulations, and a little less likely that he's an 'idiot'. could it be that the law is stupid, unnecessary, arbitrary and abusive towards the citizens? Jesus Diaz says 'no'.
Here's a thought - let's all obey the speed limits. If, as a majority, we decide to raise the speed limits, then we can all drive faster.
This isn't even close to qualifying as civil disobedience. Speeders cause more accidents, more morbidity, more death on the roads compared with those who obey the driving laws.
why hasn't anyone here pointed out the obvious? this video only shows PICTURES of the culprit. for all we know he is just sitting in traffic and not even moving. how can anyone prove you were speeding with a picture. that is absolutely ridiculous.
I can understand red light cameras but this is big brother using his power too recklessly. Why is shit like this permitted by the people in these states?
I live in Phoenix and this "monkey" works for Southwest Airlines. What's stupid is that his car is slightly noticable around town. If you're going to do this, try it in a boring car. Not a flashy POS like this with racing stripes and stickers. He's already been served with the fines. Even though he says "It wasn't ME" he will have to provide a name and DL# of the person driving in order to escape prosecution.
@Magic Beans? Sure, I'll Buy Some!!:
I'm also in Phoenix. One thing a lot of people that don't live here don't realize is that the majority of speed cameras are not Gov't operated or Gov't owned
Our lovely city has outsourced this opportunity to a third party company, an Australian company, to put up and operate speed cameras. Not only that, but the revenue raised by these cameras is SPLIT between the third party and the local gov't
It's no wonder a vast majority of Phoenicians are upset about the number of cameras around the valley.
@Razta: Innocent till proven guilty is for crimes. Violations you are guilty till proven innocent. Parking meters, speeding tickets, etc. you need to disqualify them.
@Magic Beans? Sure, I'll Buy Some!!: Provide name AND DL#? That's almost identity theft right there. Hell, I could pull a credit report with JUST those two pieces of info.
@Razta: According to reports that I read yesterday, they got so sick of him that they had him tailed, and they caught him putting on the monkey mask, speeding thru camera zones. If ever there was proof of guilt...
@AkkiRonin: It's a belief like this that fucks up the system. Not only is this untrue it's dangerous. I know in Connecticut there is a section on the back of the ticket to enter your plea. Guilty means you pay, not guilty gives you a court date. All it means is if you profess your own guilt you forgo the right to a trial, not guilty gives you that right. You are still innocent in both cases before the ticket is presented to them with your plea.
here in cali you must post the fine BEFORE trial, so you're out some hundreds of dollars in the meantime until you waste some PTO and get behind in your work to get your money back that shouldn't have been taken from you in the first place.
@TheGuinnessTooth: They just need to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that it was him, and I tend to think that proving that he did it once and that the other times were done in his car would convince most people beyond a reasonable doubt. Does anyone here really believe that someone else took his car and sped through camera zones those other times, and he decided to do it the last time?
It's similar to a cop busting a tagger - they'll prosecute (usually successfully) the tagger for any graffiti that matches his style/tag.
There used to be a red light camera in Cleveland at the corner of Detroit and west 25th. They removed this camera after it was clear the camera was causing a lot of accidents. I've seen one accident, and countless near accidents, as people are cruising down the road, keeping up with normal traffic, and then breaks are slammed on because someone sees the enforcement signs. These things arent safe.
The guy isnt an idiot. This is civil disobedience. Anyone recall the experiment with civil obedience? Where a group of people blocked traffic by going the actual speed limit?
Speed limits are not in tune with community standards. Most people drive 35 in a 25, and 45 in a 35, and so on. On long stretches of open highway you find people driving 75, 80, and even 90 on a regular basis, and in some states 75 is perfectly legal, while in others its a felony. On stretches of road with these cameras people speed, slow down at the cameras, and then go back to speeding.
Kudos to this monkey sticking it to the man... But he will be found... and the law will lay the smack down on him. While they cant ID him in the car, they can check his work attendance, reference it with where he lives, and get a jury to find him guilty. Unless ofcourse its not his car and the owner works someplace not on that route.
The cost of hunting this guy down just isnt worth it... but hey... the gobberment loves to waste your money.
These cameras are just another way for big brother to track and abuse you.
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people are so beaten and complacent that they've forgotten about civil disobedience, and equate all violations of the law with 'crime' that should be punished unequivocally.
here in san jose we have an onramp that has a carpool lane. the onramp didn't used to be like that, and it was fine. now its backed up about a half mile onto the adjoining freeway, so everyone who has a prius or a passenger stays one lane over, then cuts across the solid white lines in the median to get onto the onramp. you've got cars going 75 next to cars that are stopped. And there’s only one thing that makes it EVEN WORSE – when the asshole motorcycle cop is at the bottom, handing out tickets, slowing down the works, backing up traffic even more… which makes it even more temping to try and jump around.
Now, keep in mind that every legit carpooler who DOESN’T get a ticket at the end of the onramp just broke a legitimate, reasonable safety law about crossing solid white boundary lines in order to get into that lane. The police have created a dangerous situation in order to profit from it. The fine? $484, I shit you not.
One cop is pulling in about six grand an hour from people who aren’t driving dangerously, who are actively RELIEVING traffic congestion on the adjoining freeway by removing themselves from the backed up lane and traversing the empty, useless, stupid carpool lane.
@Bruce Landwaster: Ah yes, so speed limits shouldn't be enforced because people ignore them anyways? That's just asinine.
While I agree that speed cameras are just another way to increase income how exactly are they, "just another way for big brother to track and abuse you?"
@nutbastard: I agree with you in all statements besides the cops 'creating a dangerous situation to profit from it.' The police didn't create the situation, they are just taking advantage. In a state that is severely in debt what do you expect?
@Maori_Yelir: traffic is backed up twice as much when there's a cop handing out tickets, causing more median-jumping, a longer line of cars on 85 that are stopped next to 75mph traffic, creating a shorter merge area which eventually conflicts with the almaden onramp.
the onramp was FINE without a carpool lane. they only put one in to create traffic jams and to tempt people into jumping into the "special rich asshole who can afford a late model hybrid lane".
the PURPOSE of speed limits is safety. if no one is driving dangerously, it makes no difference how fast they are going. if they are driving dangerously - ticket them for driving dangerously!
what's dangerous isn't speed, it's velocity differentials. a pack of cars all going 90 is a lot safer than a stopped lane with 50mph traffic immediately adjacent.
@Maori_Yelir: "a state that is severely in debt what do you expect?" To slash the excessive payrolls and benefits of our public employees, but that'll never happen since they own the politicians. ;)
@nutbastard: But the police didn't put the carpool lane there is my point, you make it seem like the police built the ramp. As I said I agree it's a stupid ramp and that the cops are taking advantage but you can't slap the fault on the police who found an advantageous spot to hand out tickets. Found, not built.
@nutbastard: I think you over estimate how much agencies work together. The only thing that keeps us safe from abuse of power in this country is how terrible we are at working together.
Speeding is only the contributary factor in 4% of accidents. Speed cameras and the "speed kills" mantra are nothing more than a way for successive governments and police forces to make money. [www.carbibles.com]
@bigPixel: Obviously speeding is just a ploy by our socialist Kenyan government to limit your life. You show them hell bigPixel, just get on out there and speed, speed for freedom. You know, the government also tries to tell you that cars striking solid objects often kill the driver, but don't you belive them. How could a tree possibly damage a car? A tree is wood and a car is metal! It's just logical. So you just go out there and speed your freedom loving ass towards every tree you see. It's what Abraham Lincoln would have done. It's what John Adams would have done. And it's what bigPixel should do.
@bigPixel: On rural routes or highways, I'm inclined to agree with you. But, on residential roads where kids might be playing, speeding == being a total rat bastard.
@Pope John Peeps II: You're an ass. He provided some statistical information and all you throw out is a snide remark. The reality is, those red light cameras do more damage than the speeding does.
I agree with jokono though, speeding in areas with kids is douchebaggery at it's worst.
@Matthew Rebmann: Hey he provided retarded stats from a dubious site, and I replied with something funny.
You, on the other hand, provided nothing and fail to be funny. So your life is pretty much worthless. Someone should tell your mom. She'll be disappointed, but at least she'll know the truth.
@jokono: That's common sense, speeding in a residential district can save lives but honestly I think speed limits on highways should be way higher. The only thing that would need to change is people would need to follow the rule where you stay to the right if someone behind you is going faster (which seems like common sense but here in San Jose people don't seem to get the concept).
@nutbastard; back from burningman: I bought a motorcycle and traffic was about a good 40% of why I wanted one. Used to take me an 40 min to an hour to get to work (san jose to mountain view) now it's a pretty consistent 20 to 25 min on the motorcycle.
@nutbastard: back from burningman: I think he's reducing it to the point of impact, which is where velocity differentials would lead to larger accelerations and more kills.
But yeah, it's kind of a stupid point for him to make. Sure, a bullet's acceleration when in stops in your body is what hurts/kills you, but you can bet more powerful cartridges (with higher velocity slugs) will cause more serious injury and more likely death because higher velocity=higher acceleration opposite the direction of the bullet's motion and more damage and energy transfer upon impact.
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I don't know if that's the case in Arizona, and I do know for a fact that some of those cams are strategically placed in spots just to get the taxpayer money.
So I'm not really against the cams, but I say people need to question more (not only on blogs) about the placement of those.
Still, at least here were I live, drivers got what they deserved.
We have far too many wreckless drivers killing tons of innocent people every year just because they can't f*cking understand that driving fast isn't a problem just for people who can't drive... it doesn't matter if you are an awesome driver that can travel the speed of light without crashing.
The problem is also other drivers, bystanders, and numerous situations in which bad accidents can be avoided if only people would respect the speed limits.
But we live in a world of hypocrates. Usually, people will only support speeding cams when they have someone close to them killed by someone who was speeding.
Sad but true.
Also this: [xspblog.com]
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link to the full story about the monkey dirver.
[www.azcentral.com]
link to the story about the kidnapped story.
[www.cnn.com]
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Think of it this way: he's been caught breaking the law 37 times... and yet nothing negative has come of it. no accidents. I think it's a little more likely that he's actually a skilled, safe driver who refuses to bow down to chickenshit pussy regulations, and a little less likely that he's an 'idiot'. could it be that the law is stupid, unnecessary, arbitrary and abusive towards the citizens? Jesus Diaz says 'no'.
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This isn't even close to qualifying as civil disobedience. Speeders cause more accidents, more morbidity, more death on the roads compared with those who obey the driving laws.
This monkey is an asshole. Major asshole, sir!
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Nobody wants to be accountable for their actions. Meanwhile putting the other drivers at risk...
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This is fucking hilarious.
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Evil, evil monkey!!!!
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I submit him to the Darwin Awards!!
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Remember, innocent till PROVEN guilty. I do not think he has to prove his innocence.
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I'm also in Phoenix. One thing a lot of people that don't live here don't realize is that the majority of speed cameras are not Gov't operated or Gov't owned
Our lovely city has outsourced this opportunity to a third party company, an Australian company, to put up and operate speed cameras. Not only that, but the revenue raised by these cameras is SPLIT between the third party and the local gov't
It's no wonder a vast majority of Phoenicians are upset about the number of cameras around the valley.
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here in cali you must post the fine BEFORE trial, so you're out some hundreds of dollars in the meantime until you waste some PTO and get behind in your work to get your money back that shouldn't have been taken from you in the first place.
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It's similar to a cop busting a tagger - they'll prosecute (usually successfully) the tagger for any graffiti that matches his style/tag.
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The guy isnt an idiot. This is civil disobedience. Anyone recall the experiment with civil obedience? Where a group of people blocked traffic by going the actual speed limit?
Speed limits are not in tune with community standards. Most people drive 35 in a 25, and 45 in a 35, and so on. On long stretches of open highway you find people driving 75, 80, and even 90 on a regular basis, and in some states 75 is perfectly legal, while in others its a felony. On stretches of road with these cameras people speed, slow down at the cameras, and then go back to speeding.
Kudos to this monkey sticking it to the man... But he will be found... and the law will lay the smack down on him. While they cant ID him in the car, they can check his work attendance, reference it with where he lives, and get a jury to find him guilty. Unless ofcourse its not his car and the owner works someplace not on that route.
The cost of hunting this guy down just isnt worth it... but hey... the gobberment loves to waste your money.
These cameras are just another way for big brother to track and abuse you.
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people are so beaten and complacent that they've forgotten about civil disobedience, and equate all violations of the law with 'crime' that should be punished unequivocally.
here in san jose we have an onramp that has a carpool lane. the onramp didn't used to be like that, and it was fine. now its backed up about a half mile onto the adjoining freeway, so everyone who has a prius or a passenger stays one lane over, then cuts across the solid white lines in the median to get onto the onramp. you've got cars going 75 next to cars that are stopped. And there’s only one thing that makes it EVEN WORSE – when the asshole motorcycle cop is at the bottom, handing out tickets, slowing down the works, backing up traffic even more… which makes it even more temping to try and jump around.
Now, keep in mind that every legit carpooler who DOESN’T get a ticket at the end of the onramp just broke a legitimate, reasonable safety law about crossing solid white boundary lines in order to get into that lane. The police have created a dangerous situation in order to profit from it. The fine? $484, I shit you not.
One cop is pulling in about six grand an hour from people who aren’t driving dangerously, who are actively RELIEVING traffic congestion on the adjoining freeway by removing themselves from the backed up lane and traversing the empty, useless, stupid carpool lane.
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While I agree that speed cameras are just another way to increase income how exactly are they, "just another way for big brother to track and abuse you?"
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the onramp was FINE without a carpool lane. they only put one in to create traffic jams and to tempt people into jumping into the "special rich asshole who can afford a late model hybrid lane".
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the PURPOSE of speed limits is safety. if no one is driving dangerously, it makes no difference how fast they are going. if they are driving dangerously - ticket them for driving dangerously!
what's dangerous isn't speed, it's velocity differentials. a pack of cars all going 90 is a lot safer than a stopped lane with 50mph traffic immediately adjacent.
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oh im sure the police had a hand in the changeover at some point.
'hey bill, we're hurting for revenue, how about some more retarded carpool lanes? we could really use a money trap like that'
'consider it done'.
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you really need to look up the definition of 'civil disobedience'.
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@RenegadeIrishman_COFFEE!: WAHHHHHH!
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I agree with jokono though, speeding in areas with kids is douchebaggery at it's worst.
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You, on the other hand, provided nothing and fail to be funny. So your life is pretty much worthless. Someone should tell your mom. She'll be disappointed, but at least she'll know the truth.
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word. you ever try and get on 87 from 85 south in the morning? NIGHTMARE.
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actually, velocity differentials kill.
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i've been thinking the same thing.
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But yeah, it's kind of a stupid point for him to make. Sure, a bullet's acceleration when in stops in your body is what hurts/kills you, but you can bet more powerful cartridges (with higher velocity slugs) will cause more serious injury and more likely death because higher velocity=higher acceleration opposite the direction of the bullet's motion and more damage and energy transfer upon impact.
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