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fuchikoma
11/06/09

In reply to Study Claims Motion Blur Is a Non-Issue In Most Mid-To-High-End LCDs
Just as there are "super noses" who can detect the slightest variation in a million wines, or people who can tell you exactly which frequency they're hearing, there will be people who can see blur in most LCDs.

Personally I haven't seen LCD blur since around 12-15ms response times became the norm. I see MPEG artifacting and trailing, and even dim afterimages in HDMI signals on PS3 and 360, but motion is not an issue. #motionblur
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MarcusMaximus
11/04/09

In reply to Study Claims Motion Blur Is a Non-Issue In Most Mid-To-High-End LCDs
Umm isn't the 60Hz important because it exactly matches broadcast HD framerate? And 120Hz is because both 60Hz(for the reason above) and 24Hz(because movies are filmed at 24Hz) both go evenly into it? I always thought the issue was more with dropped frames and the like due to mismatched frame rates. #motionblur
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N@tedog
11/04/09

@MarcusMaximus: Stop with the curveballs. This is any easy yes or no question. With that in mind, you can never tame the beast. Moving on... #motionblur
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MarcusMaximus
11/04/09

@N@tedog: How is that a curveball? The article says that 60 and 120Hz refresh rates aren't necessary to not have motion blur, and I responded saying It was my understanding they were mainly for a different, unrelated function, and one which they do actually perform. As far as I can tell that's perfectly on topic and a valid response. #motionblur
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Odin
10/06/09

In reply to Almost Nobody Owns Just Macs
It'd be interesting to see how many of those Macs are running Windows as well.

Apple and OSX infuriate me sometimes though. Over the past few weeks 4 out of the 5 people in my household got iPod Touchs/iPhones (I'm the 5th). As I programmer I figured that since I have access to a wealth of dev machines now I might try some app programming. I then learn that Apple in their infinite wisdom (read: dickishness) have locked app development to OSX.

Well screw you Apple, I'm not interested enough in your platform to buy a new machine for.

END RANT
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CleverName
10/06/09

In reply to Almost Nobody Owns Just Macs
3 in the home, no PCs. Windows can burn in Hell.
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Odin
10/06/09

@wrong: You'll have to show Windows around when it gets there.
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kitsuneconundrum
10/05/09

In reply to Almost Nobody Owns Just Macs
make sense, all my mac friends straight up boot camp.
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mattbarrie
10/05/09

In reply to Almost Nobody Owns Just Macs
Learn the meaning of the word "of".

15% of 12% = 1.8%
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frigg
10/05/09

@mattbarrie: that's exactly the point.

He writes "of the 12% of homes with a Mac, less than 2% are Mac-exclusive."

... the "of" means that the "12% of homes with a Mac" becomes 100% of the subset in which he's distinguishing between Mac-exclusive vs. Mac+PC.

100% (the 12% subset of homes with Macs) - 85% (the % of that subset with Mac + PC) = 15% (households that are Mac-only within the subset of homes that have at least one Mac).

Also, if you go beyond the math, doesn't it also make common sense: if only 2% of Mac-owning households were Mac exclusive, that would mean virtually everyone with a Mac would also have a PC. That doesn't seem to be true in real life, but an 85% (mixed) / 15% (exclusive) split among Mac owners is credible.
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frigg
10/05/09

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What am I missing?

John writes "of the 12% of homes with a Mac, less than 2% are Mac-exclusive."

But the study says "Of those 12 percent, nearly 85 percent also own a Windows-based PC."

Wouldn't that mean of the 12% of homes with a Mac, a little more than 15% are Mac-exclusive (not 2%)?
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HyperDrunk
10/05/09

@frigg: 85% of 12% = 2%, 12 * 0.15 = 1.8% exactly. It's a percentage of a percentage.

Another way of looking at that is 10.2% of homes with computers own both a MAC and a Windows based computer.
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cherring09
10/05/09

@frigg: 2% of total households that own a computer.
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frigg
10/05/09

@cherring09: exactly... 2% of total households.

But of the subset of households that own Macs (12% of total households, or 100% of households with Macs), if 85% of them also own PCs, that's 85% of 100% of the households with Macs, leaving 15% not 2% of the subset of households with Macs exclusively Mac.

No?
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HyperDrunk
10/05/09

@frigg: 15% of homes with macs, have only macs, would be correct, but that wasn't how it was read in the post. they were saying 85% of 12% which is why only 2% of total homes with computers have only Macs, not 85% of 100% mac households.
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frigg
10/05/09

@HyperDrunk: That's right. total homes. But what he said was "What's surprising (or not) is that of the 12% of homes with a Mac, less than 2% are Mac-exclusive."

(my emphasis. he didn't say total homes, he said homes with a mac, which gives the wrong stat).
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Septhinox
10/05/09

In reply to Almost Nobody Owns Just Macs
I'm an admitted Apple fanboy, yet I understand the merits of owing Windows machines as well. You'd have to be stupid not to.
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hjustin93
10/05/09

In reply to Almost Nobody Owns Just Macs
I would love a mac, with Windows 7 on it.
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Yuppers: I love you
10/05/09

@hjustin93: There's an app for that.
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otko
10/05/09

In reply to Almost Nobody Owns Just Macs
Almost everyone I know has either a Mac and a Windows box or uses BootCamp/Virtual Machine software. There's still so much that Windows can do that OS X can't.
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Yuppers: I love you
10/05/09

@otko: Like get viruses?*

*Yes I know Macs can get viruses/worms too.
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HyperDrunk
10/05/09

@otko: I'm not aware of anything that macs can't do that windows can. though I know that windows has probably 100 different programs that do the same thing to maybe 1 on a mac, but still, the mac can do it!
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otko
10/05/09

@HyperDrunk:

Yesterday I wanted to watch an out of market football game that I couldn't get here in MN. Bootcamped into Vista and loaded up Sopcast/TVU Player. I've been looking for an OS X version of something like that for a bit but I can't seem to find anything like it-especially one that lets me record what I'm watching.

*And if you want some other examples-browse Lifehacker on a daily basis. You always see some nice software that they come across and the first sentence will read Windows Only. It's not all the time-they have others that say "OS X only/Linux only". One aspect I LOVE about OS X is the amount of freeware made for it. It's second to none (except linux, blah blah blah)
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Lizard_King
10/06/09

@HyperDrunk: I still use the Windows side of my Macbook for the handful of things I can't do on OSX. Most of it specific for hardware, but the big one is the app software for my Garmin - their software support for mac SUCKS - and Fusion doesn't run it well.

I know these are specific issues, and it has gotten a LOT better in recent years. I know basic users can get away with just mac, but to suggest that anyone can do anything they need to do on a mac is a bit shortsighted.
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Margatron
10/05/09

In reply to Almost Nobody Owns Just Macs
See? Only 2% of us drink the Kool-Aid!
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infmom
10/05/09

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Hmm. Well, in this office there's one Mac laptop and one Mac desktop, two PC desktops and a Linux server. I guess that makes us ambidextrous.
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Monty
10/05/09

In reply to Almost Nobody Owns Just Macs
Given the fact that Windows is regularly installed on Macs, typical Windows machines sometimes have OS X installed on it (Hackintosh), both platforms use (essentially) the same hardware, plus we have folks logging into virtual sessions (VMware, Citrix, Terminal Services, etc) -- I think this poll is somewhat meaningless. Right - households that have Macs often have other platforms available as well. Same is true for Windows households. Welcome to 2009.
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Patrick Howard
10/05/09

@Monty: I think this comment is somewhat meaningless. You're saying that households with macs often have a windows machine. And households with windows often have a mac? Yes, that would be true. If A=B then B=A. The fact of the matter is that 88% are exclusively one way while 2% are exclusively the other way. Whether they are a mac user with a windows machine or a windows user with a mac machine, they all fit into the mixed system household group. The group being emphasized here is the small number of people using ONLY macs.
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Monty
10/05/09

@Patrick Howard: I apologize that I was not clear, but what I am saying is that in a world moving entirely virtual with multiple types of computers in the house that this sort of poll is worthless. What did it tell me? Not a damn thing. But, if you got something out of it, more power to you.
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hamazasb
10/05/09

In reply to Almost Nobody Owns Just Macs
I am a blended household for a number of reasons. I have an Imac and Macbook for me, but for my two young sons, I bought basic PCs for their school work and gaming. And sadly, as much as I love my Macs, I had to also buy a windows system to do some gaming on. I'm not anti-PC -- in fact I'm a recent switch-over to Mac. I think both devices have good uses.
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Gary_7vn
10/05/09

In reply to Almost Nobody Owns Just Macs
Well, 2% of the population just happens to be the percentage of people whose IQ is above 140, i.e., the "genius" level.

Just sayin...
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Bruce Landwaster
10/05/09

@Gary_7vn: So, the genius's find PC's too hard?
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Monty
10/05/09

@Bruce Landwaster: Apparently only a genius can figure out how to live with using nothing but a Mac, I guess. Unfortunately, since our home is a mixed environment,I am clearly not part of the genius community.
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Gary_7vn
10/05/09

@Bruce Landwaster: Probably, I'm a PC myself since falling victim to the iBook logicboard failure syndrome. I like Macs, learned on an Apple II, but I think they cost too much. Give me my homebuilt anyday.
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