@Calzo: Let me just make this clear to everybody who reads the article: The US did NOT sink this in combat. They obtained it, I believe, after the war. They then promised to share the schematics (as a gift) with the Russians, who had taken the brunt of the damage in Europe. Instead, Truman in his anticommunism scuttled it before the Russians could get their hands on it, which helped to kick start the Cold War. Also, as a fun fact, I believe that the Hawaii Mapping Research Group was involved in this-- shout out to them.
@Calzo: Wait, what? We did sink it, just not in combat. I'm pretty sure your second post tries to say that your first post was serious and that I wasted my time of telling you the history, but then you would think that all good subs lie on the seafloor not moving.... so.... either you just tried to save some face, you're VERY confused, or you were legitimately thanking me for the history lesson, in which case you're welcome.
@ThirteenOfTwo: I don't try to save face. I saw it on Nat Geo early this morning and noticed that we didn't actually pew pew it to death. Pretty fun to think of how they had man driven torpedoes too. But no really thanks for that history lesson. It's nice to know all the factors involved with what actually got the cold war started.
Since people seem to be interested in the seaplane, and I took the time to look it up, you're stuck with it:
"The M6A Seiran submarine-launched torpedo seaplanes were designed in response for a 1942 requirement for aircraft to be used in conjunction with the I-400-class submarine carriers of the Japanese Navy. They were of an all-metal construction, with control surfaces covered in fabric. The design was done so that two or three of them could be stowed aboard their submarine carriers, used to attack targets in surprise. Despite the complex folding system with their tails and wings, a seasoned crew could prepare all three aircraft for launch within 30 minutes. Because the submarines would have no means to recover these seaplanes after a mission is carried out, the thought was that the submarine carriers would rescue the air crews and abandon the aircraft. After six prototype aircraft, 20 aircraft of the M6A1 production variant were built."
i dont see any promotion of the nuking of japan in the article. it is mentioned that it happened, but if you're seeing racism here... you might want to have your eyes checked. either that or brush up on your semantics.
@Gundem: I agree with nutbastard. Where do you find racism? We did in fact drop a nuclear bomb on japan before they could release disease-infested rats in to our country.
Is that not what happened? Please tell me if it is not, because if it is.....well, thats exactly what Diaz said, but with different adjectives.
What is your beef with adjectives?
EDIT: Also, in the article Diaz links to pretaining to nuking japan, which is also written by him, the first sentance of that article is:
"This is the place where Humanity reached one of its lowest points in history."
@iansilv: Read the article. They weren't sunk. And everything is sinkable or explodable or destroyable, even if it's superior technology. Just remember Vietnam.
Yeah, Japan had some huge ships in WWII but they didn't have radar. It's pretty tough fighting a war when the Americans know where you are at all times.
I actually had never considered the concept of launching or recovering planes by submarine, but clearly I am behind on military technology.
Strange question, but since this is a Japaneese sub that was found in American waters, is this the property of the United States or the property of Japan? I feel some super-litigation submarines filled with lawyers coming into port.
@Monty: It was a Japanese sub that was captured by Americans and brought over into the American waters. But it was a result of a war and it's not the same as looting or plundering, so...
I would've imagined farming in China is a hardcore, full-time business. Where do they find time to build submarines???
and I just did a urban-dictionary search for "gaffa," and apparently that means duct-tape - which is alot more logical than engineered humans...at least to me anyways.
@GarrickNemesis: "gaffa" is actually a mispronunciation of "gaffer", as in gaffer's tape. It's a cloth tape used in the theatre and film industries. It's definitely NOT duct/duck tape.
@GarrickNemesis: Actually the topsoil is receding in the vast majority of China, leaving behind non-fertile desert sand. I would tend to believe that Chinese farmers are getting more and more free time by the day... and probably without affecting their financial status, to boot.
Some say Chinese are superior because they inherently know how to work together as a group. Well, I think they may be superior on the isolated individual crazy genius inventor front, too.
Wow! I think it's amazing that poor farmers in a Communist country, with little or no personal expertise in those fields can build such things. Yet, in America you'd be hard pressed to find a High School student who could even point to China on a map. Amazing or sad?
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Oh well... let sleeping subs lie, as they say...
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"The M6A Seiran submarine-launched torpedo seaplanes were designed in response for a 1942 requirement for aircraft to be used in conjunction with the I-400-class submarine carriers of the Japanese Navy. They were of an all-metal construction, with control surfaces covered in fabric. The design was done so that two or three of them could be stowed aboard their submarine carriers, used to attack targets in surprise. Despite the complex folding system with their tails and wings, a seasoned crew could prepare all three aircraft for launch within 30 minutes. Because the submarines would have no means to recover these seaplanes after a mission is carried out, the thought was that the submarine carriers would rescue the air crews and abandon the aircraft. After six prototype aircraft, 20 aircraft of the M6A1 production variant were built."
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*now let the idiots rage*
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i dont see any promotion of the nuking of japan in the article. it is mentioned that it happened, but if you're seeing racism here... you might want to have your eyes checked. either that or brush up on your semantics.
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Is that not what happened? Please tell me if it is not, because if it is.....well, thats exactly what Diaz said, but with different adjectives.
What is your beef with adjectives?
EDIT: Also, in the article Diaz links to pretaining to nuking japan, which is also written by him, the first sentance of that article is:
"This is the place where Humanity reached one of its lowest points in history."
I know. Really, really racist.
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There is so much failure in understanding the Internets and grasping sarcasm in these replies.
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That we kicked the shit out of. And sank.
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My post was typical barely-related drivel. Reread my post:
1. Japanese sub was a superior piece of technology.
2. We did kick the shit out of it so to speak- we studied it and sank it.
3. Again- they were sunk. They are at the bottom of the ocean by our actions, right?
And Vietnam has not been sunk.
Yet...
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Strange question, but since this is a Japaneese sub that was found in American waters, is this the property of the United States or the property of Japan? I feel some super-litigation submarines filled with lawyers coming into port.
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One ping only, Vasily.
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@OMG! Ponies!:
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@BergenCountyJC can edit his name?:
Alex Trebek: Let's just go to Final Jeopardy, shall we? The category is... I can't believe this! The Final Jeopardy category is 'Famous Mothers'.
Sean Connery: BWAHAHA! My day has finally come, Trebek!
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"That's foreign flicks Mr. Connery"
"I'm trying to think of more foreign laddies I've snogged!"
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@yantelope:
Sean Connery: Suck on it Trebek. Suck it long, and suck it hard.
Alex Trebek: That's beautiful. You kiss your mother with that mouth.
Sean Connery: No, but I did something to your mother with this mouth!
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"You think you're pretty smart don't ya Trebeck, with your dego mustache and your greasy hair!"
"What did I just say about ethnic slurs!?"
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Bring earplugs. Because your mother's a screamer! BWAHAHAHA!
You'll rue the day you crossed me, you Canadian cur!
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"That's an album cover"
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BWAHAHAHA!
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I'll take "Jap Anus Relations" for $600, Alex.
Mr. Connery, that says "Japan U.S. Relations". What you just did was horrible and you know it!
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It is not "Catch The Semen."
Is that what the moustache is for, Trebek?
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"TITLES Mr. Connery."
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and I just did a urban-dictionary search for "gaffa," and apparently that means duct-tape - which is alot more logical than engineered humans...at least to me anyways.
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