Before we get the LCD, can we have air condition in all subway station first (I almost passed out once inside Grand Central in summer)? Oh, and get rid of those pee smell, please ... #subway
@pixelslave: Well at least they have AC in the trains now. When I moved to NYC in 1988 most trains didn't have it. Can you imagine having your face stuck in someone's armpit going to Queens during rush hour in the middle of summer? Yeah it was as awesome as it sounds.
One time I was on a train that got stuck for an hour in the tunnel and people were seriously freaking out. Somebody bashed a window out with his bare hands just to get some air. I was next to the door between cars, so I went between cars with the few other smart people on the train. #subway
@dolo54 blows minds and blows engines!: Oh, I still remember the days when many AC equipped trains (notably, the 7) have at least one cart that had no or mal-functioned AC. If you could bear the heat, those carts weren't a bad deal -- there were always seats in them.
That said, I still don't know how the real time tracking could help. Besides knowing for sure that your train is late (which, you don't need a tracker to find out 'cause 9 out of 10 times, it IS late) and exactly how late it will be, what good can it do? #subway
This is only on the L right now because only the L line has an automated system called communication-based train control (CBTC), which took several years to implement. The MTA will have to implement CBTC on the other train lines for them to get the LCD screens. Bottom line: it won't be anytime soon. #subway
@imwithadd: And it doesn't work there that well either.
And not to complain, because Myrtle-Wyckoff is my stop, but why Myrtle-Wyckoff? It's such a middle of nowhere stop that takes 45 minutes to get anywhere in the first place, so knowing the train is 6 minutes away doesn't really help. #subway
@Hiphopopotamus: exactly what i thought, however knowing how long the train was going to take would let me know if i was going to be angry or happy at the mta as soon as i walked into the station #subway
Nice but my question is, for the money spent how does this actually help? I mean, knowing where the train is, and how long it might be doesn't really impact your travel time any.
Except for the cases where you have a choice of trains on a platform to take. Maybe you'll take the local instead of waiting for the express cause their is no express train coming for a long time.
@Austin Wonderly: I know, I like how they tell you the next three trains and when to expect them. Only thing about DC I don't like is their entirely too complicated fare system. #subway
I'm from Atlanta. Home of the curvy roads, five-direction intersections, sparse public transportation outside downtown, and 4,721 different "Peachtree Street"s. When I visited NYC this summer, I was absolutely blown away by how much sense the subway system made. I'm sure the rest of the public transportation system was great, too, but I could not get over the subway. It made sense, it was present everywhere, it was fast. I paid just as much for a one-week pass as I would have for gas in Atlanta, and I would've gotten less mileage. I was over most of the other tourist attractions after about a day. Statue of Liberty, Times Square? Cool and all, sure. But the subway is what I marveled at.
This just pleases me even more. I would honestly not mind living in that city for a while. #subway
@OCEntertainment: NYC subway has it perks, but it isnt fast. I live in brooklyn, I work 8 miles away in manhattan. it takes me one hour to get to work and both places are within 2 blocks of a train station. its cheap and convenient but its no time saver #subway
@imwithadd: Yeah, forgive me. By "fast" I meant "zoom zoom" not "wait, didn't I just get on this thing?". One of the most frustrating parts of Atlanta traffic is that, during rush hour everyone just pretty much sits on the highway. You've got everybody burning gas, and movement is slow. It can take just as long to travel the same 8 miles, but the energy efficiency is much lower.
Not to mention sitting in traffic is a huge psychological drain. It's a confining feeling. At least on a subway, when it takes you forever to go a couple miles down the road, you feel like you're moving, even if you're not getting anywhere. And you could do stuff while you're riding, as well. I could read, write some stuff, talk to people. During one trip, I met this really cool guy who was traveling around the country. We had a decent conversation for a little while before we each went our own way. You try talking to other people in Atlanta traffic, you get a lot of strange looks. ;-)
Did I mention I was a huge fan of the subway? #subway
That is pretty sweet. I was in Budapest last week and saw some really badass touchscreen LCD's in the mall for directions to and from stores. It kinda blew my mind and was wondering why US hasn't done this yet. Actually - maybe they have just not in my city yet... anyone seen these here? #subway
@aprather:
We have those in a lot of shopping centres in the UK. They're nothing really special but I suppose we're used to them by now.
I still actually prefer using a map at places like the Trafford centre, something I can keep referencing while I'm on the move and doesn't have a clunky interface. #subway
@Odin: I agree. It's pretty much the "sweet" factor, not really usability. I tried to use the one in Bucarest, but well, not speaking the language caused me to fail... #subway
Every time I visit NYC I start to become critical of their system, and the lack of some things (consistency with train quality/amenities, dingy stations, lack of ETA signs) but then I remember watching a Discovery Channel special on MTA and how amazing and advance their system really is. #subway
When I studied abroad in London in the spring of 07' these were standard at every station. I'm glad to see NY catching up on technology however London still has the upper hand considering they use the same technology for bus stops as well. #subway
@BergenCountyJC:
I don't remember seeing these in London the few times I've been down there (and the last time I was down there was only 2 weeks ago). We do have ETA signs at stations all over the UK though (not just on the London underground) but all they do is say when the train should be arriving, not a positioning map like this is. #subway
@BergenCountyJC: Just to clarify for those of you yet to visit our fair shores, we don't have LCD's like this, we do have LED displays showing time till the next train and where its going. #subway
@Odin: That is true, just the arrival time however in the end what is the difference between knowing when the train is arriving to where it is positioned. The train still isn't at your station regardless. #subway
@BergenCountyJC:
Since it's being tracked in real time it'd hopefully be more accurate. The ETA's are a joke most of the time, more often than not they'll only update it about 5-10 minutes after the ETA has already passed. #subway
@Odin: Well on a side note - funny how we can get this technology at least moving in the right direction with mass transit. The overhaul with GPS tracking and the FAA on the other hand --- shakes head + fist #subway
@Andrew Roberts: Is that sitting on the top deck above the driver and pretending you are driving the bus? (don't worry, everyone does it) The aircon rollout has officially started with LU taking delivery of their first Aircon trains just recently. #subway
For visitors to London I really recomend traveling around some of Londons famous landmarks late at night on one of the night busses. Not only do you see our beautiful buildings all lit up you also get to meet an interesting and diverse cross section of Londoners. #subway
@BergenCountyJC: The guy who helped revamp Transport For London has come over to run the MTA in New York City, and he has expressed interest in bringing many aspects of the TfL system here such as an RFID-enabled, credit-card-linked transit card (like the Oyster card), digital ETA signs at bus and subway stops, automated bus-lane-violation cameras on all busses, Bus Rapid Transit (special bus lanes), reduced off-peak transit fares and more.
So THAT's what they're building there! I drive by there every morning and have been wondering what the construction was for (it's been going on for a while).
Good to know that now, when we go for lunch at Goose Island on the weekends, and Mrs. Scorpio wants to stop by Sur la Table I can pop into the Apple Store! (Who am I kidding, I love Sur la Table! Sur la Table THEN the Apple Store!)
All I can say about the Red Line station there is that, it's pretty much a dump (like most Red Line stations!), so good on Apple for sprucing it up. #applesubwaycleanup
@Hank Scorpio: Seconded. While most Red Line stations feel like dungeons circa The Inquisition, the North Ave station is especially revolting. The exterior looks like its condemned and the stairwells seem to have perpetual standing water.
@Hank Scorpio: I agree with you, this station is a dump, and if apple renovates it, it will look like a dump within a few months, if this is by Weed street (I'm 90 percent sure it is) then the drunks will have it looking like its former self in no time :P #applesubwaycleanup
@Lemon Head: You're right, it's the stop right by Weed street. And maybe you're right about the drunks ruining it again after the renovation, with all that "standing water" in the stairwells. #applesubwaycleanup
And in the meantime, the DC metro has been trying for 40 years to get a rail line to Dulles airport and it's still not got enough cash!!!
Man I wish it was back in the day when these things were first built and all ya had to do was bribe your local politician and you could start building. You honest to God could not build a subway system in any major urban center today in the US, it would just cost too much because of how long it takes the ball to get rolling because of all the government regulation.
For all the "environmental impact" studies that they didn't have a chance to do decades ago when these systems, like the NY subway system, were first built - these systems have paid back to the environment by giving hundreds of thousands of commuters a clean option to get to work.
Imagine what we could do without ridiculous government oversight, and just let capitalists be capitalists - i.e. what they're doing out in Dubai.
@blash: Have you ever been to Dubai? Theres no capitalist freedom there, the Sheik owns and controls everything. That metro in the video was built by the Sheik, not some capitalist who wanted to earn money. And when the Sheik says a metro will be built on your land, then it will be built on your land.
I love how you think there is no "ridicules government oversight" in Dubai.
@blash: Jeez, man, you're complaining about the DULLES line? They've been trying to build the purple line between the ends of the red for like 20 years, and they haven't even decided if it'll be a bus or train yet!
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One time I was on a train that got stuck for an hour in the tunnel and people were seriously freaking out. Somebody bashed a window out with his bare hands just to get some air. I was next to the door between cars, so I went between cars with the few other smart people on the train. #subway
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That said, I still don't know how the real time tracking could help. Besides knowing for sure that your train is late (which, you don't need a tracker to find out 'cause 9 out of 10 times, it IS late) and exactly how late it will be, what good can it do? #subway
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And not to complain, because Myrtle-Wyckoff is my stop, but why Myrtle-Wyckoff? It's such a middle of nowhere stop that takes 45 minutes to get anywhere in the first place, so knowing the train is 6 minutes away doesn't really help. #subway
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let's work on getting express service back on the B/Q. Then we can get shiny things.
(not that it matters to me any more. Plus I didn't realize you were on the Q) #subway
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Except for the cases where you have a choice of trains on a platform to take. Maybe you'll take the local instead of waiting for the express cause their is no express train coming for a long time.
So I guess I answered my own question. #subway
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Being $8 billion in debt also does not help either. #subway
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This just pleases me even more. I would honestly not mind living in that city for a while. #subway
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Not to mention sitting in traffic is a huge psychological drain. It's a confining feeling. At least on a subway, when it takes you forever to go a couple miles down the road, you feel like you're moving, even if you're not getting anywhere. And you could do stuff while you're riding, as well. I could read, write some stuff, talk to people. During one trip, I met this really cool guy who was traveling around the country. We had a decent conversation for a little while before we each went our own way. You try talking to other people in Atlanta traffic, you get a lot of strange looks. ;-)
Did I mention I was a huge fan of the subway? #subway
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We have those in a lot of shopping centres in the UK. They're nothing really special but I suppose we're used to them by now.
I still actually prefer using a map at places like the Trafford centre, something I can keep referencing while I'm on the move and doesn't have a clunky interface. #subway
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I don't remember seeing these in London the few times I've been down there (and the last time I was down there was only 2 weeks ago). We do have ETA signs at stations all over the UK though (not just on the London underground) but all they do is say when the train should be arriving, not a positioning map like this is. #subway
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Now how's that contest going on who can fit AC systems on the old lines like the Northern Line train?
Oh well, I still prefer taking the buses, sitting on the upper level at the very front, man, it's so fun. #subway
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Since it's being tracked in real time it'd hopefully be more accurate. The ETA's are a joke most of the time, more often than not they'll only update it about 5-10 minutes after the ETA has already passed. #subway
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When I do it I like to pretend I'm in some sort of hover bus. #subway
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For visitors to London I really recomend traveling around some of Londons famous landmarks late at night on one of the night busses. Not only do you see our beautiful buildings all lit up you also get to meet an interesting and diverse cross section of Londoners. #subway
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Personally, I can't wait.
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Good to know that now, when we go for lunch at Goose Island on the weekends, and Mrs. Scorpio wants to stop by Sur la Table I can pop into the Apple Store! (Who am I kidding, I love Sur la Table! Sur la Table THEN the Apple Store!)
All I can say about the Red Line station there is that, it's pretty much a dump (like most Red Line stations!), so good on Apple for sprucing it up. #applesubwaycleanup
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@Hank Scorpio: #applesubwaycleanup
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Here's what the new subway cars will look like... #applesubwaycleanup
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[www.adrants.com] #applesubwaycleanup
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Man I wish it was back in the day when these things were first built and all ya had to do was bribe your local politician and you could start building. You honest to God could not build a subway system in any major urban center today in the US, it would just cost too much because of how long it takes the ball to get rolling because of all the government regulation.
For all the "environmental impact" studies that they didn't have a chance to do decades ago when these systems, like the NY subway system, were first built - these systems have paid back to the environment by giving hundreds of thousands of commuters a clean option to get to work.
Imagine what we could do without ridiculous government oversight, and just let capitalists be capitalists - i.e. what they're doing out in Dubai.
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I love how you think there is no "ridicules government oversight" in Dubai.
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