I suddenly don't feel bad about the times when I take on the persona of stupid Giz posters. You'd think the Retromodo tag, listening test, the fact that you posted a link to the initial post, and mention it directly in the article, and that Jason has in fact felt the need to post those facts would be enough. But, no, it's not. Will probably get more ignorant posts stating the obvious when more see this too.
Now, I'm anything but perfect, but do some of you even take the time to read or do you just start yelling/posting without thinking. I mean seriously...... OH! That dog has a fluffy tail! Eeehehehe! C'mere fluffy tail! C'mere!
About time we had something like this. I'm a huge car audio buff and I've been lamenting the lack of car audio tech stuff around here. They don't seem to have any over at Jalopnik either.
Might want to get your facts straight though.
First, the ZX500 was only rated for 600w bridged. Granted, you would have had the sub wired to 3 ohms (since that is a Dual-6 ohm sub), which is below the rated impedance of the amp, so you were probably putting out more than rated power, but unless they clamped it, there would be no way for you to know that.
Second, your specs on the ZX450 are off too. Most component sets are set up to present a final load of 4 ohms. If you were running all 4 channels, you'd be looking at 75w per channel, 300 total. If you had the amp bridged to two channels, you'd be looking at 250w per channel, 500 total.
Oh, and 8 gauge wire isn't thick. In all reality, it's not even adequate for that setup. You'd need at least 4 gauge for that to run reliably, and you really should have had 0 gauge in just to be safe.
@IITravel: I assumed that he meant the 8 gauge was for the amps. The only time you use that large of wire for speakers is for higher-powered subwoofers. There's no way you'd use that for components or coaxes. Hell, I don't even know how you would unless you soldered the wire directly to the leads.
@Hintzyboy: zx500 was running in mono, dude. 3ohms. You got that right.
The 8gauge, I can't remember. It was like 10 years ago. 8gauge was going to the doors, a set to the midbass, a set to the cross that was doing the mids/highs.
Glad to hear you here! It's been so long, but I like talking about this shit.
if posting shitty thoughts is good enough to make it into the comments section.
honestly, you don't have to visit the site. it's his site, he can say whatever the hell he wants. furthermore, it's about music technology and its personalized (one of my favorite parts of gizmodo).
Nice read. Here's a suggestion: you guys could address the surprise I felt when I recently realized music on my Sony Ericsson cell phone sounded better than it did on my iPod (using same headphones, same song, same file bit rate). I only needed a little research to find a new non-Apple mp3 player that sounds better than both my iPod and my cell phone and has reignited my joy for listening to music through headphones. I'd love to see a battlemodo on the best sounding mp3 players out there.
@KingsleyDawlers: That's fascinating. Since most of the decoding chips out there are super commoditized, and everybody generally uses the same set of suppliers, it's interesting to hear that you heard such a quality difference using the same phones, etc. Well worth investigating—not this week, alas, but I'll definitely add it to our list.
@Wilson Rothman: I notice a minor (but noticeable) difference on some songs when listening on my 5G iPod vs. my Touch Pro (in the TP's favor actually), but I've got to assume that some advances in sound quality were made in the 3-4 years that elapsed between the two devices being released.
I also notice a definite difference between ~128k-256k mp3s and real CDs on my car audio setup (obviously in the CD's favor), but when I am listening to music through headphones from either my iPod or my phone I must admit I really don't care that much about the quality, just the fact that I have the tunes to listen to is good enough, and I never really crank my headphones anyway. But on my car setup the difference can be pretty noticeable when it is cranked (depending on the song).
Not that I expect that anyone really cares but here is my car setup:
-Premiere DEH-P8MP CD/mp3/iPod @45x4 (i think)
-Alpine Type R 4-1/2" 2-ways up front
-Alpine Type R 6" 3-ways in the back
-Kicker 10" Solo (one of the original models, it was my room-mate's and he used it for about a year when it was new then totaled his car and put his pair back in the boxes for like 5 years before giving me one for like $50)
-Custom made wood vainer box, made for the specific volume requirements of a solo; "hand-crafted" and wired by a tech at the Martin-Logan production/finishing facility (happens to be in my town).
-I just bought some "Cartech" cheapo 1000watt amp to replace my old Rockford amp that was getting flaky, I really don't have the money anymore to be spending on this stuff, but I figured hey, if I could get a 1000watt amp for under $150 that was recommended to me by a guy at an audio shop, and it came with a 1yr warranty, he said I could bring it back to that shop and they would replace it if it went DOA or flaked out; that it was probably worth it, and it does sound WAAAAAY better than the Roc-Fos shit-block it replaced...
@JazlynTuditanus: See here young'un, I myself ain't no fan'o'that there rippety-rap neither, but if ya'had a few more winters under'yo belt you might remember a time when pop music wasn't utter shit, and we were all still comin'ta'terms with this whole spoken-word-o'er-bass thing.
Nao, my memory doesn't quite serve so well any'm're but if'n I recollect cr'etcly there was a time where that ther Big Poppa feller could could spin'ya a rhyme quite well, it seems ta'me that most ever'body of a certian age twas diggen on them rhymes quite well (myself a som'time participn't alike).
Aw, now I gone an forgot whur I wus goin'wit'dat...
Now, the question is will it asplode when Marty tries to rock out on it? Will Doc Brown warn him off on attempting the brown note in time? Tune in next week when Gizmodo covers the amazing Terminator hearse!
Ah yes, see, it helps if you mention the specifics... You know, like 110DB/1W/1M (Which is how speakers are rated btw...) Then theoretically you gain +3 db every time you double your power output.
So, 2W +3db, 4W +6, 8W +9, 16W +12 etc... (Extreme diminishing returns then ensue.)
It also mentions that this is @ 10Hz, which is infrasound... (You can feel it, but not hear it...)
Which is what makes all of this really impressive, AND insane. Not to mention 10 Hz waves will really piss your neighbors off, and their neighbors, and the kid 3 miles down the road with the very expensive car stereo that only covers the 30-120 Hz sound range...
@nuclearlove: @rcast1986: I could be completely wrong, but I really hope you two are making an MST3K reference, I <3 you both sooooooo much if you are.
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Now, I'm anything but perfect, but do some of you even take the time to read or do you just start yelling/posting without thinking. I mean seriously...... OH! That dog has a fluffy tail! Eeehehehe! C'mere fluffy tail! C'mere!
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BWA-HA-Ha-ha-ha-ha!!!
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Might want to get your facts straight though.
First, the ZX500 was only rated for 600w bridged. Granted, you would have had the sub wired to 3 ohms (since that is a Dual-6 ohm sub), which is below the rated impedance of the amp, so you were probably putting out more than rated power, but unless they clamped it, there would be no way for you to know that.
Second, your specs on the ZX450 are off too. Most component sets are set up to present a final load of 4 ohms. If you were running all 4 channels, you'd be looking at 75w per channel, 300 total. If you had the amp bridged to two channels, you'd be looking at 250w per channel, 500 total.
Oh, and 8 gauge wire isn't thick. In all reality, it's not even adequate for that setup. You'd need at least 4 gauge for that to run reliably, and you really should have had 0 gauge in just to be safe.
/anal-retentive rant
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0 gauge wires to the full range speakers? Uh really?
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The 8gauge, I can't remember. It was like 10 years ago. 8gauge was going to the doors, a set to the midbass, a set to the cross that was doing the mids/highs.
Glad to hear you here! It's been so long, but I like talking about this shit.
04/13/09
honestly, you don't have to visit the site. it's his site, he can say whatever the hell he wants. furthermore, it's about music technology and its personalized (one of my favorite parts of gizmodo).
go back to your hole troll
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I also notice a definite difference between ~128k-256k mp3s and real CDs on my car audio setup (obviously in the CD's favor), but when I am listening to music through headphones from either my iPod or my phone I must admit I really don't care that much about the quality, just the fact that I have the tunes to listen to is good enough, and I never really crank my headphones anyway. But on my car setup the difference can be pretty noticeable when it is cranked (depending on the song).
Not that I expect that anyone really cares but here is my car setup:
-Premiere DEH-P8MP CD/mp3/iPod @45x4 (i think)
-Alpine Type R 4-1/2" 2-ways up front
-Alpine Type R 6" 3-ways in the back
-Kicker 10" Solo (one of the original models, it was my room-mate's and he used it for about a year when it was new then totaled his car and put his pair back in the boxes for like 5 years before giving me one for like $50)
-Custom made wood vainer box, made for the specific volume requirements of a solo; "hand-crafted" and wired by a tech at the Martin-Logan production/finishing facility (happens to be in my town).
-I just bought some "Cartech" cheapo 1000watt amp to replace my old Rockford amp that was getting flaky, I really don't have the money anymore to be spending on this stuff, but I figured hey, if I could get a 1000watt amp for under $150 that was recommended to me by a guy at an audio shop, and it came with a 1yr warranty, he said I could bring it back to that shop and they would replace it if it went DOA or flaked out; that it was probably worth it, and it does sound WAAAAAY better than the Roc-Fos shit-block it replaced...
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Nao, my memory doesn't quite serve so well any'm're but if'n I recollect cr'etcly there was a time where that ther Big Poppa feller could could spin'ya a rhyme quite well, it seems ta'me that most ever'body of a certian age twas diggen on them rhymes quite well (myself a som'time participn't alike).
Aw, now I gone an forgot whur I wus goin'wit'dat...
Hey! GIT OFF MY LAWN YOU LITTLE PUNK!
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So, 2W +3db, 4W +6, 8W +9, 16W +12 etc... (Extreme diminishing returns then ensue.)
It also mentions that this is @ 10Hz, which is infrasound... (You can feel it, but not hear it...)
Which is what makes all of this really impressive, AND insane. Not to mention 10 Hz waves will really piss your neighbors off, and their neighbors, and the kid 3 miles down the road with the very expensive car stereo that only covers the 30-120 Hz sound range...
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