Either Jobs is an idiot or f-ing stubborn as a mule. You see what happened to the music industry. People craved cheap, drm free MP3s, but what did the industry do? Forced you to buy expensive, DRM filled low bitrate MP3s. Even though the majority of users didn't want them. Then when people revolted and started ripping their own MP3's for free and distributing the high quality ones on the 'net and CD sales dropped, FINALLY Apple and others got the clue that people don't want DRM they now sell DRM free music.
I see the same situation with OSX. Netbooks ARE the future, most people who own computers just surf the net and use email, and finally there exists a really good class of machine to do this. Apple has the wool over its eyes, there is no reason for Apple not to make a stripped down netbook with OSX. Might cannibalize Macbook sales. Maybe. But look at the millions of netbooks being sold. Apple should either start making netbooks and include OSX or even a stripped down version, or they should port OSX over to pc hardware. If I found out that people were running my os on other hardware, with the potential of millions then I would port it over asap.
@TheCrudMan: I wonder if my boneheaded divulging of this feature before has led to its gimping. Try to download a Google/Youtube video. You will not be pleased.
Actually it works just fine. Add .flv to the end, and open with Mpeg Streamclip, convert to quicktime, rip just the audio if you want a song, or just watch it. Have fun.
If tomorrow Microsoft only allowed their OS on hardware they built they would be the great Satan, but Apple has done this from the beginning and their fanboys still look upon their dear leader with admiration. Apple is not hip. Apple is not your friend. Apple is just Microsoft with less market share.
@kuriakos: There IS a difference. Apple's been doing it since the beginning, so we were always given the choice to either buy their integrated set, or just go elsewhere. If Microsoft were to suddenly only allow their OS on their own hardware, they would be cutting off every single user who has been used to using their choice of hardware legally for over a decade and a half.
@kuriakos: I suppose it's no never-mind that making this kind of shift while having over 80+% of the computer-using consumer base has a far larger impact than a brand being generally consistent while holding only 10% or less of the pie.
I believe that there's a lot of feelings of entitlement going on around here. Look, Apple does what it wants with its product, and while we can flail our arms and call them greedy bastards, there's nothing you or I can do about it, except find our own way to either get exactly what we want, or just go with a sensible alternative. Currently, there are alternatives, and last I checked, there's really not much you can't do with them, and from the general consensus here, do so and pay less.
Saw a suggestion that OS X be opened up to PC's and that iWork/iLife be released for PC's. My question is: Why? I don't want to come off as some Mac fanboy, but we just have to deal with the simple and obvious truth that a company is free to do with its products what it may, but in the spirit of competition, other companies produce systems and software that allow us to do the same exact things in a number of ways. Are you that unhappy with Office? Can't stand Windows? Then I suggests you get a hanky and cork up your water holes, cuz that's just tough dumplings.
I don't like the sue-happy Apple persona all that much. I dislike a lot of their design tactics, and I also dislike their general attitude conveyed in their ads, which was fun at first, but now has grown tiresome. However, I do like the fact that OS X is license code free, and allows me to reinstall at my liesure, without any risk of having an activation bork on me, like Windows can. A fully "open" OS X, would eventually turn into a closed OS that would have a strict machine limit. After the terrible MobileMe fiaso, I don't want Apple having to implement a full on callware DRM in their OS. That would seriously kill one of the things I like about the operating system.
OK I'm sort of ranting here so I'm gonna stop now.
Not to sound apologetic, but I think "Pirate Bay" is the real kicker here. If it only involved buying a copy of OS X, then I suppose there would not have been much of a problem.
Now, I have to ask. Let's say that Microsoft's OS did not work on AMD systems. If someone posted a tutorial on how to use Windows on an AMD computer, but included the Pirate Bay to download the software, would Microsoft be wrong to sue? Am I off base? Just asking.
@Kaiser-Machead: Agreed. It would be one thing to post directions on how to install it, but directing people to get pirated copies crosses legal lines. It's like showing people how to install a new stereo in their car and telling them to get the gear from a chop-shop.
@sumocat: Generally speaking, most instructions mention that you should have a legal license to use OS X (even though installing OSX on non apple hardware is against the EULA).
Directing them to PirateBay is just for the convenience of getting a prepatched ISO.
FWIW, Apple, because I was able to hack osx onto my dell, I decided I liked the OS enough to warrant buying a real apple machine.
OSX86 is cool, but it's not without it's problems. Apple's OS updates are frequent enough, and they tend to break current installs.
@TechManErik: Pretty much. Apple probably didn't have a problem with it until the video tutorial started telling people to pirate their software. There's no morale right or wrong - that's just something you don't do.
@verythrax: The issue is, Apples Software and Hardware work as good as they do, because they are tightly integrated. Apple knows whats going to be running with its OS so it makes sure it runs.
Microsoft on the other hand lets the third parties deal with the dirty work of drivers while they just focus on the OS. This is why so many blue screens happen, incompatibilities with users machines because such and such a device pair with x ram and y motherboard = fail.
Apple went down this road before, and it seriously cut their bottom line because the cloners where making the systems super cheap, made Apple look bad because failures on the part of the cloners where looked at as Apple fault and not the clone manufacturers for using a device not sanctioned by Apple, and in the end nearly killed Apple as a company.
Couple this with the major threat of M$ pulling office right on the platform if they where to compete against them and well you have Apple where it is now, stuck in a hard place.
I agree I wish Apple would release their OS for everyone to use. I love their laptops but their desktop systems range from around par to hopelessly more expensive than PC equivalents (Mac Mini and the new 17 inch Macbook Pro come to mind there) and we have a wonderful blade server that easily could house 3-4 dedicated Dell blades with OS X server if Apple would just let us as opposed to having to buy 10,000 dollars worth of xserves. But ultimately its better for Apple not to give into fanboy wishes.
@Jim Topoleski: You have got to be kidding us? Any component in any Mac can be bought at Newegg and assembled for 1/2 the price - if not less - they want to charge you for their heavily branded computers. I'm a Mac... I'm a PC... Bulls*** You are both computers with the same exact components and different operating systems.
@Roroco: Individual component buys compared to the cost of buying a prebuilt is not a fair comparison. It's better to simply compare the components of a comparable prebuilt. The costs you save in price on individual pieces is replaced by the cost in time to build. If you enjoy building, then this time isn't cost at all. If you just want a computer, and are not technically inclined to build it, then it's worth paying more. (mind you, this is a general argument about prebuilts in general, not Macs)
I was upset when Vista came out and the aero subsystem couldn't run on even the newer machines I built for customers without a higher end video card. I'm even a little upset I can't all the aero features on my 5500FX. Don't even get me started on how Vista performs with games running on top of aero...
@p75hmsa: I have to dissagree with your Vista evaluation. I build systems that run the gambit of performance levels. With a dedicated 256 MB video card and 2 gigs of ram all the features run flawlessly. I know that because my laptop has those exact features and Vista does run flawlessly while I'm using any of the Adobe suite or even doing some moderate Video editing.
I'm a gamer, not professional but I take it seriously. I am on a Vista 64 machine now and Vista is WWAAAAYYYY better for running games. Vista reallocates all of your ram from your previous task, to your current one. So, the games get the full attention of your components and run way faster. I play Crysis, Warhammer, Battlefield 2, 2142, Bioshock and all at full resolution and I get 50 frames per second and sometimes higher which is great considering the human eye can only detect 30. When I'm playing multi-player I'm always the first to enter a zone and I can keep fighting when my friends are lagged out. I'm saying that my oppinion greatly differs and I'm coming from the background of someone who builds machines, uses Vista 64 and games every week.
My machine cost like $620 to build.
Intel Core 2 Duo E8300 2.83ghz
4GB Ram
Vista 64 Business
Nvidia 8600GT 1 GB dedicated card (cost me like $74)
Gigabyte PCI express motherboard with 6 PCI slots, 1 PCIE
et cetera et cetera.
I think people are so used to hearing and passing on the BS Vista rumors that they begin to imagine they have had issues themselves to fit-in or something, when in reality most have never touched the OS.
What resolution might that be, 640x480 perhaps? And what's that? You think your graphics card or processor makes you 'load into a zone' faster in multiplayer? Never occured to you that your internet connection and ping might have something to do with it?
One last thing. The human eye is not digital. It does not see "frames". Instead, the eye collects data (light detection, pattern detection etc.) which when combined is percieved as an image, and this is all fed to the brain continuously. Furthermore, it can discern the "smoothness" of video/games/etc at a rate of 150-200 frames per second.
Sorry, but your arguements are redundant. While I don't advocate senseless Vista bashing, I've found my Vista rig (Q6700 2.6Ghz, 8600GT 512MB, 3G RAM) to be slower transfering files to and from USB than my XP rig. It also has minor glitches here and there (i.e. double click .jpeg image and it takes almost a minute to load, almost lost my user profile etc.).
Runs games fine. However, since Vista isn't installed on the same rig as XP, I can't compare performance (XP rig has way lower specs). Bottom line though, it's been a rough experience with Longhorn, where XP's been smooth sailing. Millions of people, Microsoft included, will tell you the same.
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I see the same situation with OSX. Netbooks ARE the future, most people who own computers just surf the net and use email, and finally there exists a really good class of machine to do this. Apple has the wool over its eyes, there is no reason for Apple not to make a stripped down netbook with OSX. Might cannibalize Macbook sales. Maybe. But look at the millions of netbooks being sold. Apple should either start making netbooks and include OSX or even a stripped down version, or they should port OSX over to pc hardware. If I found out that people were running my os on other hardware, with the potential of millions then I would port it over asap.
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Actually it works just fine. Add .flv to the end, and open with Mpeg Streamclip, convert to quicktime, rip just the audio if you want a song, or just watch it. Have fun.
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Saw a suggestion that OS X be opened up to PC's and that iWork/iLife be released for PC's. My question is: Why? I don't want to come off as some Mac fanboy, but we just have to deal with the simple and obvious truth that a company is free to do with its products what it may, but in the spirit of competition, other companies produce systems and software that allow us to do the same exact things in a number of ways. Are you that unhappy with Office? Can't stand Windows? Then I suggests you get a hanky and cork up your water holes, cuz that's just tough dumplings.
I don't like the sue-happy Apple persona all that much. I dislike a lot of their design tactics, and I also dislike their general attitude conveyed in their ads, which was fun at first, but now has grown tiresome. However, I do like the fact that OS X is license code free, and allows me to reinstall at my liesure, without any risk of having an activation bork on me, like Windows can. A fully "open" OS X, would eventually turn into a closed OS that would have a strict machine limit. After the terrible MobileMe fiaso, I don't want Apple having to implement a full on callware DRM in their OS. That would seriously kill one of the things I like about the operating system.
OK I'm sort of ranting here so I'm gonna stop now.
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Now, I have to ask. Let's say that Microsoft's OS did not work on AMD systems. If someone posted a tutorial on how to use Windows on an AMD computer, but included the Pirate Bay to download the software, would Microsoft be wrong to sue? Am I off base? Just asking.
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Directing them to PirateBay is just for the convenience of getting a prepatched ISO.
FWIW, Apple, because I was able to hack osx onto my dell, I decided I liked the OS enough to warrant buying a real apple machine.
OSX86 is cool, but it's not without it's problems. Apple's OS updates are frequent enough, and they tend to break current installs.
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It's not pirating if you've bought a copy of OSX legally. It's just Apple being a bunch of douches.
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The only reason to mention the pirate bay in the first place implies that the audience doesn't already have a copy.
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Never said Microsoft weren't douches.
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If they are THAT good, they should not be afraid of some healthy competition.
And if they hardware is THAT good too, it should not affect they sales much, but rise the software sales a lot.
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Microsoft on the other hand lets the third parties deal with the dirty work of drivers while they just focus on the OS. This is why so many blue screens happen, incompatibilities with users machines because such and such a device pair with x ram and y motherboard = fail.
Apple went down this road before, and it seriously cut their bottom line because the cloners where making the systems super cheap, made Apple look bad because failures on the part of the cloners where looked at as Apple fault and not the clone manufacturers for using a device not sanctioned by Apple, and in the end nearly killed Apple as a company.
Couple this with the major threat of M$ pulling office right on the platform if they where to compete against them and well you have Apple where it is now, stuck in a hard place.
I agree I wish Apple would release their OS for everyone to use. I love their laptops but their desktop systems range from around par to hopelessly more expensive than PC equivalents (Mac Mini and the new 17 inch Macbook Pro come to mind there) and we have a wonderful blade server that easily could house 3-4 dedicated Dell blades with OS X server if Apple would just let us as opposed to having to buy 10,000 dollars worth of xserves. But ultimately its better for Apple not to give into fanboy wishes.
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And OSX Servers.... That is funny....
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I'm a gamer, not professional but I take it seriously. I am on a Vista 64 machine now and Vista is WWAAAAYYYY better for running games. Vista reallocates all of your ram from your previous task, to your current one. So, the games get the full attention of your components and run way faster. I play Crysis, Warhammer, Battlefield 2, 2142, Bioshock and all at full resolution and I get 50 frames per second and sometimes higher which is great considering the human eye can only detect 30. When I'm playing multi-player I'm always the first to enter a zone and I can keep fighting when my friends are lagged out. I'm saying that my oppinion greatly differs and I'm coming from the background of someone who builds machines, uses Vista 64 and games every week.
My machine cost like $620 to build.
Intel Core 2 Duo E8300 2.83ghz
4GB Ram
Vista 64 Business
Nvidia 8600GT 1 GB dedicated card (cost me like $74)
Gigabyte PCI express motherboard with 6 PCI slots, 1 PCIE
et cetera et cetera.
I think people are so used to hearing and passing on the BS Vista rumors that they begin to imagine they have had issues themselves to fit-in or something, when in reality most have never touched the OS.
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[www.tomshardware.com] (test machine)
[www.tomshardware.com] (9800GX2 results)
What resolution might that be, 640x480 perhaps? And what's that? You think your graphics card or processor makes you 'load into a zone' faster in multiplayer? Never occured to you that your internet connection and ping might have something to do with it?
One last thing. The human eye is not digital. It does not see "frames". Instead, the eye collects data (light detection, pattern detection etc.) which when combined is percieved as an image, and this is all fed to the brain continuously. Furthermore, it can discern the "smoothness" of video/games/etc at a rate of 150-200 frames per second.
Sorry, but your arguements are redundant. While I don't advocate senseless Vista bashing, I've found my Vista rig (Q6700 2.6Ghz, 8600GT 512MB, 3G RAM) to be slower transfering files to and from USB than my XP rig. It also has minor glitches here and there (i.e. double click .jpeg image and it takes almost a minute to load, almost lost my user profile etc.).
Runs games fine. However, since Vista isn't installed on the same rig as XP, I can't compare performance (XP rig has way lower specs). Bottom line though, it's been a rough experience with Longhorn, where XP's been smooth sailing. Millions of people, Microsoft included, will tell you the same.
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It's also microsofts fault that I bought $299 speakers from the back of a van, because it had MSRP $1000 on the box.