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Jrsy Devil's Advocate®
11/04/09

In reply to Video: Concept Symbian Interface Blends Augmented Reality Maps and Social Networking
A large percentage of Nokia's dumbphones run Symbian S40 so even if they go all Maemo for the smartphones Symbian, in some form is likely to be around for a few more years for everything else. #symbianconceptinterface
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Sir Gibler
10/07/09

In reply to Overheard at Phone Conference: "Nokia Will Never Release an Android Handset"
can Nokia please get their heads outta their asses like Palm finally did. It's time to move on. Symbian had a time and place and its just about over now that they have so much damn competition.
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skylon
10/07/09

In reply to Overheard at Phone Conference: "Nokia Will Never Release an Android Handset"
Nokia once vowed never to make clamshell phones too. So expect Androids soon!
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citizen024
10/07/09

In reply to Overheard at Phone Conference: "Nokia Will Never Release an Android Handset"
S60v5 (Symbian^1)is only a transitional OS, for nokia to stay in the game while they get ready for the offensive, its basically the old Symbian patched for touch, although the n97 will get better with the v20 update this month.

I think with the stuff i see happening (check nokia beta labs), the "new" Symbian is maturing quite nicely. By Symbian^4 (1 year from now) i'm expecting excellent things, especially with both Mameo and Symbian using Qt, it will be very streamlined and good for devs.

Why would Nokia fragment its environments for the devs by introducing Android. Especially with them having a bit of a bad rep for doing just that (ie. changing APIs, etc)
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Kaiser-Machead
10/07/09

In reply to Overheard at Phone Conference: "Nokia Will Never Release an Android Handset"
I can only imagine Nokia's head office, akin to Hitler's conference room in Downfall, where the head honcho is reading the charts showing declining sales, and he yells at his development staff for not making headway with Symbian and Maemo, only to finally break down and tell one of his staffers to get Google on the phone.
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The Amazing Ant
10/07/09

@Kaiser-Machead: By get Google on the phone, you do mean put Android on it, right?...
RIGHT?!!?
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Kaiser-Machead
10/07/09

@The Amazing Ant: He's just a filthy Nazi, what does he know?
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Identity (reclamation)
10/07/09

@Kaiser-Machead: Well done, sir.
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Slyd3z
10/07/09

In reply to Overheard at Phone Conference: "Nokia Will Never Release an Android Handset"
...and Toshiba vowed to never go Blu Ray. Just sayin...
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OCEntertainment
10/07/09

In reply to Overheard at Phone Conference: "Nokia Will Never Release an Android Handset"
Heh. We'll see.

*archives this article, saves it for a few years in the future*
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Niranjan Krishnamurthi
10/07/09

In reply to Overheard at Phone Conference: "Nokia Will Never Release an Android Handset"
I think you're underestimating Maemo's potential. The Symbian platform may be outdated but Nokia definitely has some good ideas under its sleeve. Nokia produces both hardware and platforms and resorting to Android so quickly would be a cop-out.
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MrThunderfield
10/07/09

In reply to Overheard at Phone Conference: "Nokia Will Never Release an Android Handset"
There's rumours about a complete Symbian redesign... and Maemo looks fantastic!! No need for Android here.
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NaeemTHM
10/07/09

In reply to Overheard at Phone Conference: "Nokia Will Never Release an Android Handset"
And Nokia's Fail Ship continues to sink!
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Noobs-R-Us
10/07/09

In reply to Overheard at Phone Conference: "Nokia Will Never Release an Android Handset"
Going down with the ship are they? Tough talk when they're Motorola #2. Lets see what happens in a couple of years when they start to cry.
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Jimmy From The Block
10/07/09

In reply to Overheard at Phone Conference: "Nokia Will Never Release an Android Handset"
Thats a shame I like a lot of Nokia designed phones and from my personal exp they are the best on the ATT networks for some reason. But that Symbian OS has to go, its really bland. I haven't used Maemo but I bet its not as cool as Android.
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Yarr!
10/07/09

In reply to Overheard at Phone Conference: "Nokia Will Never Release an Android Handset"
Nokia is Finnish, not Swedish!
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Sir Gibler
10/07/09

@Yarr!: *thinks of scene from transformers*
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Xeno
10/05/09

In reply to Flash 10.1: Full Flash for Everyone But iPhone, Actually Playable HD Vids
This si the first time I've heard the lack of flash mentioned as a feature. Hell my microwave doesn't support flash either... My microwave is awesome!
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Jim Topoleski
10/05/09

In reply to Flash 10.1: Full Flash for Everyone But iPhone, Actually Playable HD Vids
From what I heard, Adobe's posturing is somewhat bullshit.

Apparently Adobe is holding out Flash for the iPhone in exchange to Apple agreeing not to develop more Applications that hurt Adobe's bottom line (IE more Aperture/Final Cut Pro like products)

Apple likewise is telling them to get bent.

Thus Adobe's claim that Apple is keeping them from being on the iPhone.
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Nigromancer
10/05/09

@Jim Topoleski: I've never believed anything you've said because it's contradicted by common sense. Why then would Adobe not tell Microsoft to stop developing Silverlight in exchange for support? Or Google to stop pushing for HTML5 video integration? You know it doesn't make sense. Moreover, there are already several good media editing alternatives. I doubt that Adobe is just worried about FC Pro.
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imTheKing
10/05/09

@Nigromancer: It's about the impact of the items against their own products. Your saying Microsoft Silverlight and Adobe's laughing. HTML5 has yet to really take off and as for video editing, Avid has fallen way off the charts along with Premier. For someone that's so knowledgeable like yourself, you haven't had a single thing to contribute in your entire existence on Gizmodo. Why even bother posting if all you can do scream "sticks and stones will break my bones but words will never hurt me!?!?!?!"
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Nigromancer
10/05/09

@imTheKing: Furthermore, the entire point of Jim and you is contradicted by what Adobe posted on their page:

"When will Flash Player be available on the iPhone?

Adobe needs full support from Apple beyond what is available through the SDK to enable Web browsing of Flash-based content on the iPhone. While we have been working hard to make the browser plug-in available, without increased co-operation from Apple, it will not be possible. Adobe is therefore focusing our development work on the major smartphone platforms that are working with us to deliver the most innovative and complete web browsing experience. With more than 85 percent of the top 100 websites using Flash and approximately 75% of all videos on the Web using Flash, we still believe that Flash on the iPhone would greatly benefit the millions of joint Apple and Adobe customers."

[labs.adobe.com]

Just to further emphasize to you two, it would indicate that Apple's SDK isn't open enough for Adobe to implement flash, as I referenced in my previous post.
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imTheKing
10/05/09

@Nigromancer: So your reading Adobe's PR page and calling it the truth? Since when do people go onto a companies website to find out the truth about a particular subject when it comes to competition and the release of a particular framework on a product. "Apple's SDK isn't open enough" - aka the two companies are bumping heads for another reason. It has little to do with the fact that the SDK is not "open enough".

And just as a note, I've given plenty of information under the table to Mark W and others of the Giz staff.

What's really unrealistic is that you believe companies are looking to better their consumers lives. These companies are looking to make money and if you really think they give a shit about what you do / feel like / wish for, your well out of touch.
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klinefelter
10/05/09

@imTheKing: "Avid has fallen way off the charts along with Premier."

I've heard the exact opposite; most people are getting pissed that Apple have seemed to stop supporting Final Cut. Avid is still the industry standard (even Pixar uses Avid), and Premier supports importing raw HD video.
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Jim Topoleski
10/05/09

@klinefelter: Um Apple just released a new version 2 months ago, and Avid hasnt been the industry standard in YEARS now.
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Jim Topoleski
10/05/09

@imTheKing: Relax, Nigromancer has hate for a particular number of posters here who dont share his viewpoint, or insight into the industry. He has constantly trolled my posts as of late no matter which Gawker site I post on.

Its well known there have been battles between Adobe and Apple since Final Cut Pro was released, and only continued with iPhoto, then Aperture. The fact that Nigromancer doesn't believe this viewpoint which can be verified in NUMEROUS magazine and online articles as well as inside sources is not withstanding.

I just ignore his posts. They have been mostly irrelevant., both the ones he makes attacking me and others here, as well as his own "insight".
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Nigromancer
10/05/09

@imTheKing: Where did I mention that companies are working to better their consumers lives? That's a blatant misreading of my post. I said it would be foolhardy for anyone to expect that a business would do something that would be to the consumers benefit rather than the business's.
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imTheKing
10/05/09

@klinefelter: Although the last statistic done on Video Application marketshare was in 2007, it showed FCP at around 50%, Avid at around 20% and then Premier at an even lower rate.

As for industry standard, Avid is no longer. When it comes to editing the movies you watch in theaters, majority of them are on FCP. Apple even won awards for movies such as Curious Case of Benjamin Button and so forth. They also were the first to support RED raw cinema footage and they have been the leader in supporting upcoming video standards.

Either way, there is really little argument that FCP has taken the video market in the least, without even touching base on the audio market it's cannibalized.
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Nigromancer
10/05/09

@imTheKing: Moreover, it is a good criticism that you cited me taking it from the Adobe's page. That's legitimately not the best place to get it.

However, seeing as how what was discussed at the beginning of this thread was an attributable rumor, I felt it was better to go with something that at least had attribution. It can be debated the bias of the attributed source (clearly, they're biased), but at least they can be analyzed. I wouldn't trust general rumors until they can be substantiated.
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imTheKing
10/05/09

@Nigromancer: You know, it's not that I disagree with your first comments about all companies having their flaws and not always having the upper hand, but being completely realistic, the consumer is almost never first. 99% of the time, the company will do what it can to make the money while crippling the consumer. That's just modern day business tactics.
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klinefelter
10/05/09

@imTheKing: Thanks for retyping out that wikipedia article for me. It has 50% because it is cheap, and that poll is 2 years old.

They don't support raw R3D footage. They support R3D footage that had been transcoded to ProRes. There is a considerable waiting period between filming and editing, and does not allow color correction afterwards. Premiere allows for native R3D editing, and is still the best editing program for RED cameras.
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Nigromancer
10/05/09

@imTheKing: I never implied that they are first. I think it would be silly to think that they are first. I think, at this point, we can agree we're on the same page on this contention. Companies act in their own best interest. Where it intersects with consumers, both win; where it conflicts, consumers will lose. This is an area where it conflicts (from both Adobe's and, maybe, Apple's stances) so iPhone/Touch consumers are losing.
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imTheKing
10/05/09

@Nigromancer: Agreed.
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Jim Topoleski
10/05/09

@klinefelter: Funny RED seems to say they do

The RED ONE camera generates QuickTime reference movies that point to 4K (or 2K) full resolution REDCODE™ RAW (.R3D) files. This allows for immediate editing of camera source footage when using the latest version of Final Cut Pro.

[www.red.com]

The new version of FCP isnt called FCP anymore btw, its now called FCS, because the rolled in motion and soundtrack as part of the application now. The latest version of FCP is FCP7.
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