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    Image of Nick Denton Nick Denton
    12/12/09

    Hey, did you guys pick up on yet another tablet video mockup? This one was published on Nowhereelse.fr. It's a demo of an online catalog -- on a tablet. You know what I'd like to see? The ultimate guide to tablet fantasies. From science fiction movies through to Sports Illustrated concept magazine. How about it?

    [www.tuaw.com]

    #tips #apple #tablet
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    Image of Rosa Golijan Rosa Golijan
    12/12/09

    @Nick Denton: Yes, we did .

    #tips
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    Rosa Golijan was starred Rosa Golijan was unstarred
    Image of QLAB QLAB
    12/10/09

    In reply to Why Google Should Make a Tablet
    Wait, wait, wait, you mean to tell me you dont already know this is going to happen? Just like Artinvent below me stated, this is the EXACT reason Chrome OS was developed.

    We already know that 2010 is going to be the year of the tablet. We also know from that super cheap Linux netbooks could not quite appease people. They still want their Windows. A funny think happens though when you introduce a new concept to people in the market, they become willing to accept change and new ideas. A tablet doesn't feel like a PC, it feels much more like a big iPhone/Android device.
    Google knows this, in fact Id be willing to wager this is the reason google is letting the tech nerds out there play with their OS right before the tablet wave crashes atop all of our heads.

    If El Goog is reading this article, I would say hes thinking, "This guy works for a tech blog? Well maybe he just came out of a coma." ;ยบ{P

    I also think Googles biggest move of all in regards to the Chrome OS will be through White Space. I think Google will let the masses get use to the idea of using Chrome OS, then when White Space spectrum goes live, they ill drop a product with a marketing approach of " Chrome OS, now with less ISP."
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    Jedo10 promoted this comment Edited by QLAB at 12/10/09 2:56 PM QLAB was starred QLAB was unstarred
    Image of Jedo10 Jedo10
    12/10/09

    @QLAB: I agree with part of you theory, that Chrome was developed for the coming tablet market saturation.

    But this is a feature on why Google should make their own dedicated piece of hardware.

    Therefore you insinuation that BLam is so disconnected with tech trends he must have been in a coma is just petty and unfounded. It also discredits some of your more valid points.
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    Image of QLAB QLAB
    12/10/09

    @Jedo10: Well thanks for the promotion of my comment, I'm glad we are in agreeance on our speculation of Google motives.

    As for the coma comment, I will apologize if I offended the writer of the comment. I am a sarcastic and snarky personality type, like about 90% of the readers of this blog.

    Just so we are on the same page, the definition of the word snarky is:
    A witty mannerism, personality, or behavior that is a combination of sarcasm and cynicism. Usually accepted as a complimentary term. Snark is sometimes mistaken for a snotty or arrogant attitude.

    I would say that sums up the personality type of this blogs viewers quite well.

    So in short, if the writer leaves me an opening, I am going to take it. But it is all in good fun, as I am usually far to stoned to get upset about something written on here.
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    Image of Scaramanga Scaramanga
    12/10/09

    In reply to Why Google Should Make a Tablet
    I think the most crucial thing about the ChromeOS and its relevance to tablets is the fact that it can run on ARM instead of exclusively x86.

    This makes a huge difference in terms of price and battery life.

    An ARM chip can cost below-$10 for some models, and a lot of them are SoC(system on chips). And unlike Atom you don't need to pay for expensive motherboards from Intel. ARM has already shown a 8-core Cortex A9 processors at 2GHz so there is no performance ceiling.

    Beyond that ARM performance-per-watt is night and day compared to x86. This means we could see a Tablet that can stay charged for days rather then hours.

    Forget $300, I'm hoping we can see a Google Tablet for $149-$199, and maybe even serve as an alternative to E-book readers.
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    Edited by Scaramanga at 12/10/09 12:40 PM Scaramanga was starred Scaramanga was unstarred
    Image of Segador Segador
    12/10/09

    In reply to Asus Building Eee Pad to Counter Apple Tablet?
    If it's just for consuming media, a tablet will rock. For anything else, even simple crap like typing this comment, I'll still miss a keyboard.
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    Image of Bs Baldwin Bs Baldwin
    12/10/09

    In reply to Why Google Should Make a Tablet
    None of the reasons are good enough. Google is great at search and good with other applications. They are a software company, hardware will weigh down their profit margins and take away their focus.
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    Brian Lam promoted this comment Bs Baldwin was starred Bs Baldwin was unstarred
    Image of Brian Lam Brian Lam
    12/10/09

    @Bs Baldwin: every project but ad sense weighs down their margins and takes away their focus. nothing of theirs really makes money except ad sense, though
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    Image of Bs Baldwin Bs Baldwin
    12/10/09

    @Brian Lam: true, but those other services bring people to google and adds to the value of the brand. also, how many people are choosing android because they can access their google account and apps? Google will make money off the OS with referrals from those other services.
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    Image of OCEntertainment OCEntertainment
    12/10/09

    In reply to Why Google Should Make a Tablet
    While there's little wrong with what you've laid out here, Blam, the question still remains: why? I mean, yeah Google is the one company that could do it...but would they? I get the feeling Google really likes their keyboards. And there's little you could do with a Chrome OS tablet that you couldn't do with a Chrome OS netbook. What new features would it add? Google tends to be all about the functionality first. Presentation typically follows much later for them.

    Apple's the one that hates buttons. Apple's the one that will wrap something in a pretty, but marginally less efficient package. If anyone were to make the web require few keystrokes and a lot of touching, it would be Apple. Except...that whole money thing.

    I think you're dead on that Google's in the best business position to do a tablet. But I think they'd have to want to first. And it just doesn't fit their usual pattern.
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    Image of Badongadoodle Badongadoodle
    12/10/09

    @OCEntertainment: a $100 tablet that spews out ads all the time might be their idea of revenue generating pushery.
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    OCEntertainment promoted this comment Badongadoodle was starred Badongadoodle was unstarred
    Image of OCEntertainment OCEntertainment
    12/10/09

    @Badongadoodle: You miss the point, dude. The article points this out pretty well, but the short of it is, Google makes money no matter how you get online. And you're gonna get online anyways. Which means they don't give one flying flip about pushing ads with their products. That's taken care of. They make whatever products they feel like. Which means making a tablet is entirely up to the whimsy of all the happy-go-lucky engineers at the Googleplex. And it just doesn't seem like their style.
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    Image of Carrick1973 Carrick1973
    12/10/09

    In reply to Why Google Should Make a Tablet
    Can anyone explain why a table is so hard to develop on the hardware side? Isn't it pretty much just a netbook with the screen replacing the keyboard? It requires a touch screen of course, but by getting rid of the keyboard and touchpad, the thickness could be the same as the bottom half of a netbook. All the internals would be the same, with the usb, headphone, network, flash card, etc... ports that everyone wants. I don't know why it's such a difficult idea to develop. Crap, figure out a way that you can have an LCD on one side of a panel, and an e-ink display on the other and allow the user to flip the display over and click it in place on top of the main hardware to solve the battery problems of LCD 0nly displays.
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    ninjagin approved this comment Carrick1973 was starred Carrick1973 was unstarred
    Image of ninjagin ninjagin
    12/10/09

    @Carrick1973: Good question. I think it has to do with handwriting recognition. Without intuitive pen-based input, tablets are exactly what you describe. Pen-based computing (as would be perfect for a tablet) is really really hard to perfect. Attempts in the past have forced users to learn a different way to write that the device could understand (think Palm's Graffitti), which always got into the way of intuitiveness.
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    Image of kylewilson kylewilson
    12/10/09

    @ninjagin: Um, the built-in handwriting recognition in both Windows and OSX works very well. The problem with getting rid of the keyboard entirely is mainly one of speed. The on-screen replacement in Wndows and OSX isn't really meant to be used all the time, and the problem with handwriting recognition is that it's very, very slow compared to using a keyboard. Unless you're using a designed-for-touch OS (Android, iPhone, etc.), losing the keyboard is always going to be an impediment to actually using your computer.
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    ninjagin promoted this comment kylewilson was starred kylewilson was unstarred
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    12/10/09

    @kylewilson: So handwriting works well, but it's very very slow. In my mind, that's not working very well at all. For my part, I'm a note-taker and I want something that will replace the many volumes of hardcover notebooks I'm accustomed to using. I don't want to type. I want to write.
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    Image of kylewilson kylewilson
    12/11/09

    @ninjagin: I don't know about you, but I use a keyboard a LOT for navigation, shortcuts etc. so keep in mind that's what I'm comparing handwriting recognition to when I say it's "slow." If you're taking notes, you probably would use note-taking software that lets you free write and attempts OCR on the whole piece rather than the interface I was talking about which works by word or by letter. The latter is much slower because you have to break between each word/letter for the half second it takes to interpret your scribbling. If all you want is a note taker, then by all means, a touch interface tablet works great, but there are lots of things that you can do on a PC that don't work so great if all you have is a touch interface. (writing out a long url letter by letter, for example, is tedious; word recognition doesn't work for words that aren't in the dictionary)
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    Image of Slyd3z Slyd3z
    12/10/09

    In reply to Asus Building Eee Pad to Counter Apple Tablet?
    Am I the only one who isn't going all gaga over tablets?
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    Nathan Obbards promoted this comment Slyd3z was starred Slyd3z was unstarred
    Image of Septhinox Septhinox
    12/10/09

    @Slyd3z: Doesn't mater though. The convergence device (whatever it will be called) is the future.
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    Image of Nathan Obbards Nathan Obbards
    12/10/09

    @Slyd3z: I just want one so I can read and annotate journal articles without having to print them out. It'd be nice to be able to carry my 10-20 articles of reading for classes each week and my research articles. Also, I could get my students to e-mail me their papers and grade them on the go, without having to lug 30 pounds of papers with me.
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    Image of tande04 tande04
    12/10/09

    @Slyd3z: Nope.

    @Septhinox: Maybe...

    I'd say that the future is the smartphone. I think that we've seen the major electronics manufactures time and time again fail at these "in between" devices. UMPC - no where, the internet device (whatever the abbreviation was) no where. They keep looking at the market and saying there is a gap there but the consumer doesn't seem to care that there is a gap there.
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    Image of I, Opener I, Opener
    12/10/09

    In reply to Asus Building Eee Pad to Counter Apple Tablet?
    Coooool. I'm waiting for the next next generation where they will take this and attach a full keyboard...perhaps on the hinge or something.

    I can't wait for that!
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    Image of Mikestan Mikestan
    12/10/09

    In reply to Why Google Should Make a Tablet
    I don't agree with this article.

    Google stands to make more money buy staying out of the hardware game and letting companies make the hardware with the option of having Chrome OS run on it.

    Regardless if Google makes the hardware or some other company does Google's main objective is to get as many people online as possible.
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    Image of NorwoodIsMyHero NorwoodIsMyHero
    12/10/09

    @Mikestan: Yep. Getting into hardware, even if they just aggregate together what a bunch of smaller manufacturers produce, is a much higher cost lower margin activity than other places Google can invest there money. At most, Google could offer to subsidize tablets IF they felt that it would generate more ad revenue.
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    Image of Scuba Steve Scuba Steve
    12/10/09

    In reply to Why Google Should Make a Tablet
    I want a tablet thats under $300. I want to be able to draw with a pen on it, with multiple sensitivity settings. I want a harddrive, doesn't have to be huge.. bigger than 20gb. I want 3G wireless and Wifi. I want excel, word, photoshop, usb ports x 3. I want decent battery life. I want lightweight.
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    tande04 promoted this comment Scuba Steve was starred Scuba Steve was unstarred
    Image of tande04 tande04
    12/10/09

    @Scuba Steve: I want a unicorn that shoots lasers out of his eyes.

    You know shit in one hand...
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    tande04 was starred tande04 was unstarred
    Image of Scuba Steve Scuba Steve
    12/10/09

    @tande04: I also would buy said unicorn.

    That being said, I can wait. I've waited this long for a tablet. I'll wait longer.
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    Image of OMG! Ponies! OMG! Ponies!
    12/10/09

    In reply to Why Google Should Make a Tablet
    As unreasonable as it sounds, I don't like ad subsidization, especially when it comes to the web. It's garish, distracting, and utterly obnoxious. It's not my fault that newspapers thought that "let's give our content away for free and recoup costs with ads" was a good strategy. It's not and companies like the NYTimes would have known this if they had picked up the phone and called companies like the Village Voice.

    The mythical "ad-subsidized web experience" has been kicked around for years. NetZero never really got it to work - because your screen would be taken up with ads. Google was supposedly working on free ad-sponsored WiFi.

    Remember five years ago when in-game ads were the big thing and they would help game devs finance bigger projects and help defray some cost to the consumers? Well, why are we still paying $60 for games that have ads in them.

    Or how a few years ago, the big thing at the movie theaters was commercials. I'm at the movies; I don't want to see ads.

    I watch TV on a buffer because I don't like ads. I use Firefox because it has Adblock because I don't like ads. I used to avoid reading the NYTimes online during certain weeks when Apple would buy up 1/3 of the screen real estate because I don't like ads.

    Even meatspace has ads ads ads ads. Wrapped buses - I'm looking at you.

    Finally, as to Google's penchant for tracking web habits, I'm not Google's fucking market-research subject. I don't click on links in my Gmail for a reason.

    If you want me to have to look at ads, then I want it cheap. Really cheap. Like "I've spent more than that on a date" cheap. And if you can't do that, get the goddamn ads off of my screen.

    And on a final note, let's stop treating Google like everything they do is golden. Google Wave is the Segway of 2009. And for all the sturm-und-drang of the Google Voice app-banning, I have Google Voice on my iPhone; the transcribing sucks and it's just as easy for me to dial with the actual phone dialer. Google Latitude? I have that thing too. I update it every 46 days or so. And let's not forget that Google Notebook got killed this year too.

    Screw Google's ad-based business strategy.
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    Edited by OMG! Ponies! at 12/10/09 9:33 AM OMG! Ponies! was starred OMG! Ponies! was unstarred
    Image of NorwoodIsMyHero NorwoodIsMyHero
    12/10/09

    @OMG! Ponies!: You blaspheme the almighty and infallible Google? How dare you, How DARE you!

    You're not even worthy to basque in the glow of google.com from the LCD screen you're sitting in front as you type that message.
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    Edited by NorwoodIsMyHero at 12/10/09 10:04 AM NorwoodIsMyHero was starred NorwoodIsMyHero was unstarred
    Image of Eulatos Eulatos
    12/10/09

    In reply to Asus Building Eee Pad to Counter Apple Tablet?
    Oh, so another windows tablet with an OS only kind of made for touch. Dont we already have thousands of these available? And aren't they not selling that well?
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    tande04 promoted this comment Eulatos was starred Eulatos was unstarred
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    12/10/09

    @Eulatos: You also forget that apple is doing it now so the whole failed tablet market is suddenly cool again.
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    Image of THEprofitCHAOS THEprofitCHAOS
    12/10/09

    @tande04: are we talking about hybrid tablets? i have yet to see a full scale tablet with multi touch yet. one that isnt a PDA or laptop with a touchscreen? i would like to see one.
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    tande04 promoted this comment THEprofitCHAOS was starred THEprofitCHAOS was unstarred
    Image of tande04 tande04
    12/10/09

    @THEprofitCHAOS: I'm going to say that multi touch is largely pointless on a tablet. Of course I say its largely pointless in the first place and more novelty than functionality but I digress...

    Yeah when they first started doing the table thing most of them were just tablets. They started doing the "hybrid" because people seemed to prefer having the keyboard option.
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    Image of THEprofitCHAOS THEprofitCHAOS
    12/10/09

    @tande04: its not digressing.personally i think multi touch is important..how are you going to type fast and have all the cool gestures without it? i cant imagine an ipod touch or iphone working the same without it..i havnt seen too many tablets like you are talking about yet..i hate to say it but when apple comes out with this it will stick..in a time of ebook readers and netbooks it just makes total sense in being practical.
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    12/10/09

    @THEprofitCHAOS: I don't see the practicality of it at all personally. The whole concept seems massively impractical to me.

    As far as the functionality of multitouch goes your typing example is more of a capacitive vs. resistive screen argument. You don't multitouch keys otherwise you wouldn't have words :p That gets us into another aside because for the most part resistive screen tech is catching up there but most still instantly bleh a resistive screen without trying it. The "cool" gestures is just what I was getting at. Its a wow factor more than anything really useful. Its convenient and natural but at the end of the day I don't think its necessary.

    Which gets me to the whole impractical thing. I'm still not sure how I'm supposed to use one of these. Especially when people start taking 10" and up. Its too big to hold with both hands and type like we've gotten used to (I guess it would probably work in portrait orientation though). I don't understand why I'd want to hold it in one hand and and hunt and peck on it. I'm not on my feet that much. I mean the whole apple tablet idea came out as a very niche tool for doctors which makes sense but I don't really see how useful it is in any other industry.

    What am I going to use it for? The web? Ok I can see that seems a little much to have a completely dedicated device for it? E-books/magazines? I guess. It just seems odd that one of the whole concepts behind e-ink and the reason that was all slow to catch on with computers is the whole eyestrain from a backlit device thing.

    There has yet to be a single thing about any of these tablets where I've said "I need that" rather than "thats pretty cool I guess". I'm sure apple will sell the shit out of them though.
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    12/10/09

    @tande04: I dont think you realize how important multi touch is for typing. Your fingers are not perfect and sometimes one finger will come down before the other has fully lifted up, without multi touch you would have a repeat of the letter that your finger is lifting off of.

    There was a comparison here on engadget of the difference using the droid as an example.

    [mobile.engadget.com]
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    tande04 promoted this comment Eulatos was starred Eulatos was unstarred
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    12/10/09

    @Eulatos: Maybe.

    I don't think its that important regardless of what engadget's little comparison.

    A keyboard has "multi-touch" if I multi touch two keys at the same time I get gibberish. I rely on my spell check to catch it and fix it.

    Thats where I say the difference is. The auto correct on the iPhone is pretty damn impressive and defiantly beats androids. So even in your example it doesn't matter if the auto correct is there.
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    tande04 was starred tande04 was unstarred
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    12/10/09

    @tande04: But it does matter. Autocorrect can only do so much if you are constantly adding extra e's. At the speed i type on my iphone i would get hammered shit without MT.
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    Eulatos was starred Eulatos was unstarred
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    12/10/09

    @Eulatos: I don't know.

    I don't think it has as much to do as the software behind it. I can do my g1 just as fast as my touch.
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    Image of gizmo.zenguy gizmo.zenguy
    12/10/09

    In reply to Why Google Should Make a Tablet
    Let's get something straight. Everything you do with any Google app, device, system, etc., is being monitored and owned by Google. Privacy only kicks in when they share with other companies. They own you. There is no free lunch.

    You might not care about privacy now, but someday you will. What happens when Google's ownership changes in the future?

    As much as I despise Microsoft, they know almost nothing about me.

    So a new piece of Google hardware is just an invitation to lose even more privacy as they push you toward their systems.
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    Mikestan approved this comment gizmo.zenguy was starred gizmo.zenguy was unstarred
    Image of Mikestan Mikestan
    12/10/09

    Wake up!

    They all already own us.
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    Edited by Mikestan at 12/10/09 9:43 AM Mikestan was starred Mikestan was unstarred
    Image of NorwoodIsMyHero NorwoodIsMyHero
    12/10/09

    @gizmo.zenguy: So open an e-mail account somewhere else. They can associate my searches with my IP? And can catalogue a bunch of information that everyone can find out about me elsewhere?

    I'm having trouble getting scared here.
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    Image of FriarNurgle FriarNurgle
    12/10/09

    In reply to Asus Building Eee Pad to Counter Apple Tablet?
    These tablets are a neat idea, but I just don't understand the usefulness of them. The screens will get all buggered up fast. And you'll have to use something to prop it up when streaming por... ummm movies in bed.
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    12/10/09

    @FriarNurgle: Answering your concerns in reverse: use a pillow and don't aim at the screen.
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