What if they did a scrolling banner at the bottom of the screen and just let the TV show play through? Or have it like ESPN when they show scores during a game. There's an audible alert, the screen resizes slightly, and information pages are displayed for a minute or so.
To illustrate this effect we either need something filmed by a hd-high-speed camera or at least some high res snapshots of the difformed result, not with some low-res 15fps that adds its own artefacts and clunkyness. #refreshrates
I um....cant tell the difference.... What is this soap opera effect? We have a Sony Bravia that has the 120Hz thing but I dont notice a soap opera effect. #refreshrates
@TheClap: Taking a 24 frame per second film and recreating frames (usually doubling frame rates or more) to life-like motion is what some called "soap opera" effect, as some TV shows like soap operas can broadcast a life-like motion of 60 frames per second while other shows or films or animated cartoons broadcast at 24 or 30 frames per second.
Personally, I hate calling the effect "soap opera", as I don't watch soap operas -- but I think it's a critic's term to define life-like motions for motion interpolation features on HDTV sets. #refreshrates
My set does 120 Hz, but I keep it off. I don't like watching high budget movies that result in looking like they're made for TV. My BluRay player gives me the option of 24p which is what I keep on instead. #refreshrates
@Daniel Wong: Actually, while the film runs on 24hz, movie theater projectors flash the frames twice or three times the rate to reduce flicker. #refreshrates
@Norm the Alligator:
Is this why bluray movies shown on new 240hz screens look like absolute surreal crap? The worst for this was animated movies like Wall*E, which reminded of those old school animations that came out of the first CGI college classes back in the early to mid 90's. You all know the ones I'm talking about. #refreshrates
@ripfire:
Why would they do this? Flicker is a good thing, as it keeps the audience in a semi-trance, and glued to the movie screen. I just watched a program on Discovery HD that talked about how Sony had to spend millions getting their HD theater projectors to perform more like traditional film projectors, while keeping the higher resolution and cleaner image. #refreshrates
In the same way WHAT content is natively rendered at 120Hz, or 240Hz?
I like my plasma because it doesn't pull the "soap opera effect" on everything I watch, and please don't say you can turn it off. The feature should exist to complement and add to the experiance. Not soap opera everything.
Well everything I am saying is a moot point, I don't care what LCD has going for it.
@aniteshj: I do believe that effect is caused by Digital Natural Motion, which is a form of software processing, not by the 120/240Hz refresh rates themselves. Those refresh rates(at least this is the effect for me) actually make the frame rates of both film(for blu-ray disks, 24Hz) and HDTV(60Hz) go in evenly, which removes the need for nasty effects such as 3:2 pulldown. #refreshrates
@ripfire: MarcusMaximus is right. It's the software (or algorithms) that causes the issue. And the main benefit of a 240Hz TV is to be able to watch 3D content at 120Hz (per eye that is). For everything else 120Hz is just fine. Actually it's perfect. #refreshrates
@Mike: i don't think it is an issue that stems from the light source, but the processor. i believe it starts to incorporate frame interpolation with higher refresh rates and what not which ain't everyone's cup-o-noodle. #refreshrates
@Nick: Its not the processor.. its the response time of the pixels to change state. Liquid crystals are, after all, physical entities that twist and bend to change the color of light passing though them. It take time to go from one state to anther. #refreshrates
@Nick: The issue with lcd is the response time as Nick says, generally around 6 - 8ms on LCD, however Plasma has much less time <1ms therefore less motionblur. The 120HZ and 240HZ interpolate extra frames to smooth out the picture. This can have a video effect on film based content, however i believe this to be far less so than the first chips that came out. The pro versions now input extra blank frames to further smooth the motion and give a more realistic effect. Response time is falling on LCD and however for now if you buy a good set with higher quality interpolation, the effect can be excellent especially on video content. #refreshrates
@mlvds: Why would you do this, when you can buy a mirror that size for a hundred bucks, and get the same amount of enjoyment out of the fancy plasma you're talking up?
Plasma's might be great in a totally dark room, but they are fucking worthless in the average living room. #refreshrates
@JohnnyGTO: +1. That's the reason I don't have cable.
Honestly, I wouldn't mind being able to pick and choose 15 shows for say $20 (any network). I don't watch a lot of TV, but the convenience of watching whenever I wanted, without DVR'ing it would be a godsend. #apple
I just want a convenient way to get a good enough quality picture time-shifted but still available the same day without having to jump through a million hoops and have to pay through the nose. #apple
@Identity (reclamation): You and me both, brother. I have a sinking feeling that when they do finally figure that that is what people want, need and are actually doing they'll charge us out the wazoo and it'll be close to what cable is, unfortunately. Cable Co. is not giving up that money without a fight. #apple
@Super Moose: I don't know if you can really argue with such a succinctly put point.
It would be worth $30 to me if I could basically build my own station. If I'm picking what I want, when I want it and the program is doing the work to get it to me instead of me browsing to Hulu or whatnot and sorting through everything to get what I want then the convenience could be worth that much. #apple
@tande04: They would also have to have HD content. But I would certainly pay for that given there is content and quality.
I know people even torrent stuff but most of the time using alternatives is a hassle and many times it's some guy who uploaded some low quality vid that looks crappy. I want to be done with that, especially in an HD age. Hulu is ok, but I would like to see more HD content and more shows.
If I could have it all in one or two programs (Like itunes or Hulu desktop), on demand, and decent video quality to HD resolution (to Hulu's credit, shows look pretty decent in Hulu desktop), I see that worth the price.
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Has that ever been tried?
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Who needs a house that sort of looks like Bender when you can live down the street from Philip J. Fry in actual-factual real-life?
(That's right, bitches! I live on Fry's block.)
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tooting your own horn, no doubt... You can't just be happy with the Bender house?
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Speaking of chumpzillas, they've got a rare horned chumpzilla at the New Bronx Zoo in the Atomic Mutation Reptile House.
#tips
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@OMG! Ponies!:
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Right? #beovision7
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Paris Hilton and MONSTER cable approve of your comment. #beovision7
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I'm glad I'm not the only person who got absolutely nothing other then confusion out of that video. #refreshrates
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Personally, I hate calling the effect "soap opera", as I don't watch soap operas -- but I think it's a critic's term to define life-like motions for motion interpolation features on HDTV sets. #refreshrates
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Is this why bluray movies shown on new 240hz screens look like absolute surreal crap? The worst for this was animated movies like Wall*E, which reminded of those old school animations that came out of the first CGI college classes back in the early to mid 90's. You all know the ones I'm talking about. #refreshrates
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Why would they do this? Flicker is a good thing, as it keeps the audience in a semi-trance, and glued to the movie screen. I just watched a program on Discovery HD that talked about how Sony had to spend millions getting their HD theater projectors to perform more like traditional film projectors, while keeping the higher resolution and cleaner image. #refreshrates
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I like my plasma because it doesn't pull the "soap opera effect" on everything I watch, and please don't say you can turn it off. The feature should exist to complement and add to the experiance. Not soap opera everything.
Well everything I am saying is a moot point, I don't care what LCD has going for it.
I have a Kuro. :P #refreshrates
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I have a 2006 600series and I been more then happy with it..
There will be huge deal after Black Friday! #refreshrates
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Plasma's might be great in a totally dark room, but they are fucking worthless in the average living room. #refreshrates
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Honestly, I wouldn't mind being able to pick and choose 15 shows for say $20 (any network). I don't watch a lot of TV, but the convenience of watching whenever I wanted, without DVR'ing it would be a godsend. #apple
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It would be worth $30 to me if I could basically build my own station. If I'm picking what I want, when I want it and the program is doing the work to get it to me instead of me browsing to Hulu or whatnot and sorting through everything to get what I want then the convenience could be worth that much. #apple
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I know people even torrent stuff but most of the time using alternatives is a hassle and many times it's some guy who uploaded some low quality vid that looks crappy. I want to be done with that, especially in an HD age. Hulu is ok, but I would like to see more HD content and more shows.
If I could have it all in one or two programs (Like itunes or Hulu desktop), on demand, and decent video quality to HD resolution (to Hulu's credit, shows look pretty decent in Hulu desktop), I see that worth the price.
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