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fuchikoma
11/06/09

In reply to Study Claims Motion Blur Is a Non-Issue In Most Mid-To-High-End LCDs
Just as there are "super noses" who can detect the slightest variation in a million wines, or people who can tell you exactly which frequency they're hearing, there will be people who can see blur in most LCDs.

Personally I haven't seen LCD blur since around 12-15ms response times became the norm. I see MPEG artifacting and trailing, and even dim afterimages in HDMI signals on PS3 and 360, but motion is not an issue. #motionblur
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MarcusMaximus
11/04/09

In reply to Study Claims Motion Blur Is a Non-Issue In Most Mid-To-High-End LCDs
Umm isn't the 60Hz important because it exactly matches broadcast HD framerate? And 120Hz is because both 60Hz(for the reason above) and 24Hz(because movies are filmed at 24Hz) both go evenly into it? I always thought the issue was more with dropped frames and the like due to mismatched frame rates. #motionblur
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N@tedog
11/04/09

@MarcusMaximus: Stop with the curveballs. This is any easy yes or no question. With that in mind, you can never tame the beast. Moving on... #motionblur
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MarcusMaximus
11/04/09

@N@tedog: How is that a curveball? The article says that 60 and 120Hz refresh rates aren't necessary to not have motion blur, and I responded saying It was my understanding they were mainly for a different, unrelated function, and one which they do actually perform. As far as I can tell that's perfectly on topic and a valid response. #motionblur
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phunnyballs
10/14/09

In reply to The Cell Regza (PS3 TV) Sorts Shows by Similarity
This seems like a really bad idea.

But I guess if it took into consideration directors, actors, writers, etc. it would work.

I would just find it really hard to believe it would do such a good job at organizing it, that it would be more useful than knowing the channel and time that it is on. Or even doing a simple title search to find your show.

I really dont see the point. and I am a guy that shuns people that "dont see the point" in gadget extras.
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yantelope
10/14/09

In reply to The Cell Regza (PS3 TV) Sorts Shows by Similarity
Well the problem with grouping shows by similarity is that everything on TV will fall into 2 categories: CSI and Medical Drama. Oh, and football.
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ceilingFANBOY
10/14/09

@yantelope: Funny. Out of everything that I watch, football is the only thing that you have covered, which is the one thing I don't record.
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Navin R Johnson
10/06/09

In reply to NEWSFLASH: No One Wants to Pay More for 3D
"consumers are willing to pay for a mostly artificial price premium rather than one fully explainable by technical merit."

People just know that even AFTER they paid more for the technical upgrade they'd STILL have to pay more for the artificial premium.

At least the hardware gets cheaper eventually, the artificial premiums never end.

Look at Blueray. Pay more for the player, then pay more for the disks.
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dry-roasted-peanuts
10/05/09

In reply to NEWSFLASH: No One Wants to Pay More for 3D
How about we pay more for in theatre bouncers instead? Big ones. With clubs.

That, I would GLADLY pay more for.
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masteroffm
10/05/09

In reply to NEWSFLASH: No One Wants to Pay More for 3D
with amblyopia in one eye, astigmatism and farsighted in the other eye 3D is wasted on me. needless to say I wont ever spend a dime on 3D anything.
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collectiveego
10/05/09

@masteroffm: there's a format that is supposed to work without glasses that I've seen before that's in the works for this kind of situation. I want to say keep an eye out for it..but I don't want to seem insensitive.
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drew-opolis
10/05/09

@masteroffm: same here. I get retartedly excited about 3D things everynow,only to remember that my eyes are so screwed I barely see real-life in 3D.
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reddingofish
10/05/09

In reply to NEWSFLASH: No One Wants to Pay More for 3D
I clicked on one of the articles on the right and realized that a 3D TV would be great for gaming. I don't know why it wasn't obvious before. I would buy a 3D TV for gaming.
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k-napped
10/05/09

In reply to NEWSFLASH: No One Wants to Pay More for 3D
Bah, I don't even watch Bluray, nevermind Bluray with 3D, Smellovision or w/e other faddy thing the big boys want to sell us. I'm happy with my low def MST3K netflix DVDs.
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Sockatume
10/05/09

In reply to NEWSFLASH: No One Wants to Pay More for 3D
Are those meant to be greater-than signs? You're arguing that the majority would be willing to pay over $200 extra for the TV, and two thirds would pay anything over $50 extra for the player.

However you then say that those same people will only pay $5 or less extra for the discs?
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Mark Wilson
10/05/09

@Sockatume: I see how you read this, but it really means that the survey asked people if they'd pay within the ranges of $200, $50 or $5 more. So no, they aren't meant to be greater than signs.
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reddingofish
10/05/09

In reply to NEWSFLASH: No One Wants to Pay More for 3D
I don't think 3D TV will become common place until they start making video walls. If I had a whole wall for a screen then I would want it to be 3D, and if I could afford to get more than one wall then I defiantly would want them in 3D. My dream would be to have all four walls of my TV room to be 3D video walls then I could be closer to my TV family.
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Dr. H. F. Danger
10/05/09

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NEWSFLASH: Real life is in 3D!
AMAZINGATASTIC!
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OCEntertainment
10/05/09

@Dr. H. F. Danger: Yeah, too bad you can only see it in about two and a half. :-P
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Kaiser-Machead
10/05/09

In reply to NEWSFLASH: No One Wants to Pay More for 3D
And with more and more movies being complete swill, there's even less incentive. Would any of you masochistic folks out there want to pay extra to see Transformers in 3D? You'd probably feel like Bay is massaging the back of your eyeballs with a Sharper Image abortion of a vibrating doohickey. It doesn't add much value to the picture itself, little more than a first-time whiz-BANG effect.
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MarcusMaximus
10/05/09

@Kaiser-Machead: I think you're going in the wrong direction with that. Would "Gone with the Wind" in 3D be more of an incentive? It's certainly not swill. I think the issue isn't so much the quality of the movies being made, as much as it is that 3D isn't taken into account when actually putting the idea of the movie and the setup of the scenes down when beginning said movies. Good movies as well as bad ones will need to take such things into account.
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Monty
10/05/09

@Kaiser-Machead: Good point.

Even if the movie is good, often the 3D effects do not add to the quality of the film. Sometimes it even detracts. For example, Up was a great movie, but the non-3D version (in my opinion) was superior.

Part of the reason that can happen is that there has to be a compelling reason to sit with those obnoxious glasses on for hours at a time. While there may occasionally be a great 3D movie, it is hard to believe that it will happen enough to warrant purchasing a new TV and wearing 3D glasses.

Perhaps when sports programs start broadcasting in 3D it may be compelling. But, even then, I just can't imagine having twenty buddies over to watch a game and all of us wearing those ridiculous things.
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Fractal the Meek
10/05/09

@Kaiser-Machead: I think the *ahem* bulk of folks aren't in this for the eye-bleeding Optimus Prime effects nor how it can *cough* raise the plot.
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Kaiser-Machead
10/05/09

@MarcusMaximus: Man, Clark Gable's ears would be HUGE
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Kaiser-Machead
10/05/09

@Fractal the Meek: Megan Fox sucks. 'N that's all I got ta say about that.
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Fractal the Meek
10/05/09

@Kaiser-Machead: Oh, I'm with ya. ROTF popularity is a clear sign of our nigh end. But 3D tech, as so many pop techs before it, will be financed up front by those wanting more than just their eyes to pop out.
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Peter Shultz
10/05/09

In reply to NEWSFLASH: No One Wants to Pay More for 3D
what does: "only 33% would pay an extra (less than) $50" mean?
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nutbastard
10/05/09

@Peter Shultz:

it means they're willing to pay up to $49 extra.
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Peter Shultz
10/05/09

@nutbastard:

Okay I get that 33% will pay up to $49.99 more than for a tv without 3D.

But what about the other 67%? would they pay more than $50? would they pay $0? would they pay $0-$5.

Am I the only one who is confused? I mean if it said that 33% would pay more than $50 then we would know that 67% would pay less or nothing at all. But the way it is originally said, it leaves a lot of ambiguity.
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MarcusMaximus
10/05/09

In reply to NEWSFLASH: No One Wants to Pay More for 3D
Here's the thing with this: We need movies/tv shows made with 3d in mind before it's at all important. Currently it just seems slapped on as a nifty little gimmick, but doesn't really add anything. 3d needs to actually add something to the experience and be an integral part of it from the instant they start filming or it's just a pointless gimmick. Hopefully Avatar will do this and lead the way for 3d in movies to actually be worth paying more for.
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OCEntertainment
10/05/09

@MarcusMaximus: Well, if you take a look into the tech it takes to make a 3D movie, it would hardly qualify as "slapped on" by any stretch.

That being said, it is actually a very well-thought-out, planned gimmick. Heck, the CEO of Dreamworks was even recently saying that theaters need to be charging *more* at the door for 3D movies because the movie-going public hasn't shown any resistance yet.

You're right, though, for it to matter in real life is for it to stop being treated as "Oooooh! That ball almost hit me in the face!" and more like an actual element of movies, as much as color or motion is. Depth is yet another aspect of the world we see that's thoroughly unexplored in movies. And right now, it's like the world is getting a 101 class in Photoshop geeking out because they can have multiple layers. There's more than that.

A dude over at /film seems to think that the Toy Story 3D makeover did that: [www.slashfilm.com] We'll see, though.

Oh, and also, as always: get rid of the glasses. THEN you have my attention.
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