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Sorry gang, I have to take the counterpoint to all the "great idea" posts. Which of you has a big LP collection still around? No? OK, let's move up to cassette tape; how many of you have a huge collection of those yet?
I'll say it again; we are digitizing all forms of media, unless you think some movie was the greatest epic of all time and you want to watch it over and over and pass it on to your kids as a keepsake, you should not be buying DVDs OR Blue Rays in any measurable number.
I almost retch when I see the DVD clearance bin and shoppers loading up on all these "bargain" copies of Chevy Chase (etc., with apologies to Chase fans...) movies. Can't you all see that we're only a few years away from streaming IT ALL ON DEMAND and your precious collection will be headed to the landfill???
The Netflix model will eventually expand so that only the rural unconnected need have a physical DVD any longer to watch anything they want. And if the U.S. could ever get with the program to connect everyone with high speed bandwidth we wouldn't need those (gov't, business, I don't care who does it, let's just get it done).
What I don't get is why Netflix hasn't already moved at least a little closer to this with an subscription fee that is a halfway step between their current offerings. For example, for the $16.99 fee that they now charge for 3 DVDs at a time, you would get only 1 DVD at a time, but you would get an expanded access vie streaming to ALL their movies except new releases within their first 6 months after release. This should easily be more profitable than buying DVDs, round-trip shipping costs, labels, packaging, broken DVDs, etc. etc. etc.
I suspect that some Hollywood Cromagnum is preventing something from this from occuring.
I would be all over a plan like this. Netflix? Anyone? Bueller?
I have some old Warner DVDs that have widescreen on one side, and 4:3 on the other. I thought DVD/Blu-Ray hybrids had been proposed a dozen times since Blu-Ray came out anyway? Sounds like a fine idea to me if it won't drive the price up. Now I have Blu-Rays that I can't lend to some people because they want to see the movies but only have a DVD player.
Double-sided laserdiscs were sometimes done as basically two discs glued together, and as temperature and humidity changed, they would flex, and separate, corrupting the information on them. A CD sized disc should be much more robust though, and better made in the first place.
@fuchikoma: There are two competing interests here, the people who want to charge you for ondemand like netflix, apple, etc... and then the cable/phone companies that have to foot the data bill.
We are already seeing data caps, and more are coming before they go away. If the datacaps become the standard, then the on demand dream will be just a dream.
I know I don't want to pay twice to watch everything, once for the content, once for the cap overages.
@Alluvian: This is a story about DVD/BD hybrids, so there is no data cap, on-demand video, or data bill to worry about unless you mean a small bit of content on BD Live features, but I really haven't seen anyone make heavy use of that yet.
@Bokusatsu_Tenshi: Yeah, but see then you face the perilous conundrum: which side? Do you place it with the data side down, knowing it may rub against minor impurities in your smooth table but that's all it could touch, or do you leave it data side up, safely aware from the table's nicks and scratches, but vulnerable to airborne threats like dust, sunlight, and cats?
I told them they should have made DVDs out of adamantium, but engineers never listen to me.
@OCEntertainment: Oh, they listen, OC. They listen... and they writhe, and they seethe. A guttural noise of pure contempt rises from the shadows of their cleanly-designed souls, and they plot.
First of all, does this mean that the BR side will only have a single layer?
I don't think this is difficult to do. All they had to do was use a 2 sided BR disc and just burn one side with the lower resolution DVD pits. Or am I mistaken?
"The release will mark the first time the Bourne trilogy, one of the highest grossing action movie franchises in history, is available individually in Blu-ray's™ renowned perfect picture and purest digital sound."
Is this an outright lie? I thought the Bourne BR discs were already out?
I'm not just taking crazy pills, right? HD-DVD already did this?
Truthfully, it is not a bad idea. In addition to what Kaiser-Machead wrote, it might appeal to folks planning to buy a Blu-Ray but who haven't yet, though that seems a pretty narrow segment, especially now that you can find Blu under $100.
I actually don't think this is a terrible idea from a marketing standpoint.
I don't buy Blu-ray discs because they are still too expensive, though I have a PS3, but if the price were to come down......
You see. If the industry adopted a "flipper" disc only standard of production/stopped selling DVD only discs you would see a price drop on Blue-ray discs thanks to production/demand numbers, and you would likely see an increase in Blue-ray player sales as more and more people will say "eh, might as well," which would likely bring up production numbers/down cost for Blue-ray players.
So, aside from painting an inaccurate picture of a stupid product, why don't you tell us why this is actually a "terrible" idea. And yes, you do concede that the idea is as terrible as you want to say it is, but you still run it down as being absurd.
@Voyou_Charmant: They should have just done it straight away. Why did they bother releasing blu-ray only? It would have gotten people buying the discs waaaay sooner
@Voyou_Charmant: The prices have really come down on BR discs. I picked up a couple last night on Amazon for $10 each. Amazon is the place to go for BR anyway.
@bornonbord: now it's too late... HD streaming is a reality and the point in buying another device to hook up to my TV as well as the price of all the discs is totally not worth it.
@opanitch: This isn't good enough for everyone. Every HD stream I've seen uses lossy audio codecs (rather than the superior lossless or uncompressed that is found on nearly all of my BDs). Also, with my ISP capping monthly usage at 250 GB, I don't want to kill that by streaming a few movies. Not to mention all of the additional stuff available on the disc (most Blu-rays are in the 25+ GB range, yet the streams are less than 8? - what gives). With a decent A/V setup, I certainly do not want to sacrifice quality.
@Voyou_Charmant: For the record, I just picked up about 4 movies at BB for $10 a piece. The have sales that rotate through titles, so if you pay attention to them you can usually find good deals on Bluray media in stores as well (just don't expect new releases to cost $10).
@CocktimusPrime: Comcast likes to destroy my Netflix experience. I can barely watch an episode of a TV show without it adjusting, due to a slowed internet connection, at least once.
@Voyou_Charmant: Agreed. I love (joking) Comcast. I enjoy watching movies enough that streaming them could easily put me over the 250G cap in a given month (not every month, but I could see it occasionally).
@pokeyg23: True, they are out there and "affordable", however my comment was to not expect to see them at $10 (that's just a bit unlikely at this point).
@Voyou_Charmant: Not necessarily. I got some good films earlier this year that were pretty cheap on Amazon. If you are going to buy one at Target then yeah I'd expect to pay a bit more. I went there last night looking for a flick and didn't find one that was reasonable enough. Plus the selection blew chunks. I was there since I saw 'The Wizard of Oz' as the deluxe box set disc set but I couldn't find it when I went last night. I ended up going online and saw what was priced at 60 something at Target for about 42 on Amazon.
@CocktimusPrime: there's always such things as higher compression video codecs and along with all the additional content, that's probably what adds up to the 25 GB on your discs.
I'm also not that familiar with the Netflix streaming (as it's my friends account, not mine), so wouldn't the special features be available as well since they are offering basically the same thing except you don't have to wait for the physical disc?
I'm also not an expert with the difference between lossless and lossy audio. I know a decent bit, but really, I'm not going to be able to tell the difference, and I have a decent A/V setup.
Currently, I don't have to worry about a download cap, so yeah, I can see your point there, but it's not going to be that way forever...
Since Blu-Ray likely has a snowball's chance in hell to replace regular DVD's in the near future, it might as well piggyback on them to get people to stay interested in the format, and it's really the only way, other than simply packaging two separate discs in one case, to make a single purchase for a movie and be able to go between your hi-def home theater set up in the living room, to your standard def DVD setup in, say, your bed room.
@Kaiser-Machead: With the continuing drop in price of Blu-ray players, isn't it almost as easy to buy a cheap player for your bedroom or anyplace else? For that matter, you can probably take the earlier gen units off the hands of an early adopter for relatively cheap. I plan to upgrade my player soon, and will probably gift my old one to my parents or save it for the time when I eventually add a tv to the bedroom.
@CocktimusPrime: Problem with that is that regular DVD players are even cheaper, and then there's the issue of there not being any significant benefit to upgrading to Blu-Ray if your secondary setup is not particularly substantial, like, say a 19" flat panel that you keep in your bedroom for more modest watching (also consider some of those integrated DVD+flat panel sets that are out there).
Unless you can clearly tell the difference, or you have a home system that's begging for 1080p goodness, going Blu-Ray is not worth it.
why not just do what disney does and include a dvd? seems to me it would be cheaper to do that than bond two discs together, not to mention the confusion of which side is which.
i could see consumer confusion about the quality of blu-ray when they accidentally put the dvd side in. i know with two discs it's also possible, but i guess less so.
@dashielm: Plus you can leave the DVD in the minivan. I think the second disc is especially attractive to Disney's main target audience (parents attempting to pacify their children).
@dashielm: Because they're afraid that folks will do with the extra disc what I do with "digital copies": give them away.
I won't get started on how "digital copies" are, frankly, kind of insulting. Suffice to say, if I got a package containing a Blu-Ray, a DVD, and a "digital copy", you better believe somebody I know is getting a free copy of Enchanted.
From the vendors perspective it's a win. A single format to cover both audiences. Less to manufacture, less to shelf. As long as the price isn't two different then the cheaper of the two formats it's only drawback is less extras.
12/01/09
I'll say it again; we are digitizing all forms of media, unless you think some movie was the greatest epic of all time and you want to watch it over and over and pass it on to your kids as a keepsake, you should not be buying DVDs OR Blue Rays in any measurable number.
I almost retch when I see the DVD clearance bin and shoppers loading up on all these "bargain" copies of Chevy Chase (etc., with apologies to Chase fans...) movies. Can't you all see that we're only a few years away from streaming IT ALL ON DEMAND and your precious collection will be headed to the landfill???
The Netflix model will eventually expand so that only the rural unconnected need have a physical DVD any longer to watch anything they want. And if the U.S. could ever get with the program to connect everyone with high speed bandwidth we wouldn't need those (gov't, business, I don't care who does it, let's just get it done).
What I don't get is why Netflix hasn't already moved at least a little closer to this with an subscription fee that is a halfway step between their current offerings. For example, for the $16.99 fee that they now charge for 3 DVDs at a time, you would get only 1 DVD at a time, but you would get an expanded access vie streaming to ALL their movies except new releases within their first 6 months after release. This should easily be more profitable than buying DVDs, round-trip shipping costs, labels, packaging, broken DVDs, etc. etc. etc.
I suspect that some Hollywood Cromagnum is preventing something from this from occuring.
I would be all over a plan like this. Netflix? Anyone? Bueller?
12/01/09
Double-sided laserdiscs were sometimes done as basically two discs glued together, and as temperature and humidity changed, they would flex, and separate, corrupting the information on them. A CD sized disc should be much more robust though, and better made in the first place.
12/02/09
We are already seeing data caps, and more are coming before they go away. If the datacaps become the standard, then the on demand dream will be just a dream.
I know I don't want to pay twice to watch everything, once for the content, once for the cap overages.
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Hey, it's the only way I can buy the BR and still play it on my Macbook, right?
12/01/09
I think it failed because I never saw it ever since.
Wouldn't work for me because I tend to leave DVDs around, so I need a side to put it on.
12/01/09
I told them they should have made DVDs out of adamantium, but engineers never listen to me.
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.....Shit.
12/01/09
I don't think this is difficult to do. All they had to do was use a 2 sided BR disc and just burn one side with the lower resolution DVD pits. Or am I mistaken?
"The release will mark the first time the Bourne trilogy, one of the highest grossing action movie franchises in history, is available individually in Blu-ray's™ renowned perfect picture and purest digital sound."
Is this an outright lie? I thought the Bourne BR discs were already out?
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This is staright bullshit. This si why I dont support blu ray and refuse to buy any of their movies.
I buy my dvds and download blu ray rips FUCK SONY...
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Not a bad idea, though. Buy a movie, and eventually upgrade to a Blu-Ray player, and you don't have to rebuy the movie!
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Truthfully, it is not a bad idea. In addition to what Kaiser-Machead wrote, it might appeal to folks planning to buy a Blu-Ray but who haven't yet, though that seems a pretty narrow segment, especially now that you can find Blu under $100.
12/01/09
I don't buy Blu-ray discs because they are still too expensive, though I have a PS3, but if the price were to come down......
You see. If the industry adopted a "flipper" disc only standard of production/stopped selling DVD only discs you would see a price drop on Blue-ray discs thanks to production/demand numbers, and you would likely see an increase in Blue-ray player sales as more and more people will say "eh, might as well," which would likely bring up production numbers/down cost for Blue-ray players.
So, aside from painting an inaccurate picture of a stupid product, why don't you tell us why this is actually a "terrible" idea. And yes, you do concede that the idea is as terrible as you want to say it is, but you still run it down as being absurd.
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Netflix streaming FTW
12/01/09
I would have no complaint if I could pick them up for $10 a piece. I'm really basing affordability on the prices at places like Target and Best Buy.
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@pokeyg23: True, they are out there and "affordable", however my comment was to not expect to see them at $10 (that's just a bit unlikely at this point).
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I'm also not that familiar with the Netflix streaming (as it's my friends account, not mine), so wouldn't the special features be available as well since they are offering basically the same thing except you don't have to wait for the physical disc?
I'm also not an expert with the difference between lossless and lossy audio. I know a decent bit, but really, I'm not going to be able to tell the difference, and I have a decent A/V setup.
Currently, I don't have to worry about a download cap, so yeah, I can see your point there, but it's not going to be that way forever...
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Unless you can clearly tell the difference, or you have a home system that's begging for 1080p goodness, going Blu-Ray is not worth it.
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i could see consumer confusion about the quality of blu-ray when they accidentally put the dvd side in. i know with two discs it's also possible, but i guess less so.
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I won't get started on how "digital copies" are, frankly, kind of insulting. Suffice to say, if I got a package containing a Blu-Ray, a DVD, and a "digital copy", you better believe somebody I know is getting a free copy of Enchanted.
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