Tethering doesnt make much sense because no ones network can really handle it. A high price means they are waiting to improve the backend before really trying to offer it to everyone. However, I'm not expecting to see that until well into 2010 when Verizon has 4G up and running. #verizon
I really wonder how the amount they make on these fees compares to the number of customers they lose or that never join them due their reputation for nickel and diming customers to death. #verizon
@ibelli: Yep. I bet you're not alone. How many people out there decide smartphones aren't for them because they charge so much for data and then tethering? They could likely be getting more people into costlier plans with higher margins if they took that into account.
They're probably thinking of the business users when they set that price. Makes sense being that they come from the Blackberry world. If you are on the road for work a lot, it's worth $30. They need to get that smartphones are in the consumer market now. I'm sure part of the reasoning behind keeping the cost high is also that they don't want you using this to replace your home internet, loading their network, and possibly becoming ex-Verizon Internet customers. I get that. How about allowing a middle ground? How about allowing everyone with an unlimited data plan a certain number of tethering days a month or a year? I don't tether often but occasionally I'm out or on vacation and want to. I've probably used the tethering on my phone 10 times in the last year. I still want the ability to do that in a pinch but I absolutely will not pay the same amount again as I pay for their "unlimited" data.
Of course, I'm betting we'll be able to just root this phone and get around it but it's still bad business. #verizon
@ibelli: Yea honestly, the ONLY reason I don't own a smartphone right now is due to the ridiculous fees.
If they made it an UNLIMITED unlimited plan (from what I hear all those plans still have caps) I'd think about it, but still, I am a firm believer that there should be no additional cost for tethering.
Data is data. My phone receives it. Anything beyond my phone is my business. (Like a modem--you pay the fee to use the modem--how the signal is used PAST that router is MY business. It's like charging extra money to use a second PC on your home network, connceted to the internet. 100% bullshit, if you ask me) #verizon
The sad part for us Canadians is that $30 a month for 5GB is considered a really good deal, being close to the $30/6GB plan that Rogers/Fido has offered for limited periods in the past.
Or I guess we can pay the usual $25 for 500MB. Awesome.
@FigNinja: I suspect that the high price is to discourage too many people from jumping on and, like AT&T and the iPhone, bringing the network to its knees.
And why would one ever need to "root" an open-source, Linux-based phone that let's you do everything? (grin) #verizon
@mj001: That $30 gets you 6GB for on phone data + tethering. No extra fee... At least for now. Who knows what the future holds. Right now I can tether all I want though. #verizon
@Gundem: $45 a month is not unreasonable for internet. VZW charges you the $30/month assuming smart phone usage, but computer usage uses more data. Unlimited is unlimited, but they can choose to charge you for what they assume you will use. #motoroladroid
Honestly, I find the fee for tethering to be 100% bs.
It's like saying "Here are some eggs. That will be $30. Now feel free to make an omelette. Oh, you want to eat them SCRAMBLED? Sorry, that's another $15."
My data, I choose how to use it, in my opinion. I hope some workaround is found before I pick this phone up...
I understand the internet fee, since you're using their infrastructure. That's perfectly fair. So cap me at 5GB (I think that's the standard "unlimited" cap, right? despite the bs name "unlimited") and allow me to use my 5GB any way I damn well please. 5GB to my PC is no different than 5GB to my phone--data is data. I might use more of my 5GB on my PC, but it's MY 5GB. I paid for it.
Or... you could root your phone(assuming it's possible with the droid) and do it for free. I use wifi tether for root users on my G1 regularly and it does quite nicely. #motoroladroid
I was really pumped about droid, and I just discovered something that's a deal-breaker: Verizon is charging an EXTRA $15 PER MONTH for the glorious, sacred privilege of using EXCHANGE. So forget about push gmail with Droid unless you want to pay extra.
@mullingitover: Gmail isn't Exchange. You get push gmail for free, it's only if you use Microsoft Exchange that it costs extra. Still pretty ridiculous but would have an effect on far fewer consumers. #motoroladroid
@MarcusMaximus: Aha, well it *has* Exchange but that's just the iPhone hack they have to get push working there. They can push to Android via their app apparently (because Android is a little bit smarter about apps running in the background). Still, this is the nickel and diming that Verizon is notorious for. It does not put me at ease. #motoroladroid
@Jrsy Devil's Advocate®: No no no. The droids will steal the plans away to where they can scan AT&T's network to find a flaw to exploit that will enable tethering. You know, like, turning the feature on... #motoroladroid
@Jrsy Devil's Advocate®: I don't think im up on all this, but can you just not plug it in with usb, and have a network manager dial up the phone to connect to gprs/3g and use it as a modem?
Im guessing this is what they block, but how would they do it?
My n95 works perfectly like that on vodafone in the UK, and iv done it on other networks aswel including o2 which as the iphone? #motoroladroid
@cormack: Our wireless providers like to load the handsets they sell with crapware. Then they have functions or features disabled to soak extra fees out of consumers by charging for adding these functions. A famous example of this was when Motorola, working with Verizon crippled bluetooth functionality for file transfer and BT tethering with their V710 phone and got sued as a result of it. That's why I prefer my phones unlocked, or at the very least unbranded whenever possible.
Also, I was just throwing a Star Wars droid related joke out there.. #motoroladroid
@Jrsy Devil's Advocate®: Arite i see, so i may be way off here again, but can you not re flash your phone with manufacturers firmware? I put the nokia firmware on my vodafone n95.
And then if you bought an unlocked phone, then you could tether it. It is a phone software issue, rather than a network issue? So you could tether if you bought an unbranded phone and put in an AT&T sim?
@Jrsy Devil's Advocate®: Yeh very true. Carrier subsidies i guess will continue to limit what we can do with our phones then. We have some pretty cheap sim only contracts in the UK, which can sometimes make it cheaper to buy unbranded.
Just a shame when carries get an exclusive on a great phone. #motoroladroid
THANK GOD. Only took them 4 damn years to fix the fucking MUSIC PLAYER. seriously, thats been the biggest roadblock in my PSP being my primary media device, the MP3 player was just a featureless unfriendly clusteruck. looking forward to see how they've fixed it up
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They're probably thinking of the business users when they set that price. Makes sense being that they come from the Blackberry world. If you are on the road for work a lot, it's worth $30. They need to get that smartphones are in the consumer market now. I'm sure part of the reasoning behind keeping the cost high is also that they don't want you using this to replace your home internet, loading their network, and possibly becoming ex-Verizon Internet customers. I get that. How about allowing a middle ground? How about allowing everyone with an unlimited data plan a certain number of tethering days a month or a year? I don't tether often but occasionally I'm out or on vacation and want to. I've probably used the tethering on my phone 10 times in the last year. I still want the ability to do that in a pinch but I absolutely will not pay the same amount again as I pay for their "unlimited" data.
Of course, I'm betting we'll be able to just root this phone and get around it but it's still bad business. #verizon
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If they made it an UNLIMITED unlimited plan (from what I hear all those plans still have caps) I'd think about it, but still, I am a firm believer that there should be no additional cost for tethering.
Data is data. My phone receives it. Anything beyond my phone is my business. (Like a modem--you pay the fee to use the modem--how the signal is used PAST that router is MY business. It's like charging extra money to use a second PC on your home network, connceted to the internet. 100% bullshit, if you ask me) #verizon
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Or I guess we can pay the usual $25 for 500MB. Awesome.
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And why would one ever need to "root" an open-source, Linux-based phone that let's you do everything? (grin) #verizon
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SO WHY? #motoroladroid
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Problem is that's only windows mobile and windows mobile is shit. I had Fuse untill 2 weeks ago and i'm so glad i switched to BB. #motoroladroid
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It's like saying "Here are some eggs. That will be $30. Now feel free to make an omelette. Oh, you want to eat them SCRAMBLED? Sorry, that's another $15."
My data, I choose how to use it, in my opinion. I hope some workaround is found before I pick this phone up...
I understand the internet fee, since you're using their infrastructure. That's perfectly fair. So cap me at 5GB (I think that's the standard "unlimited" cap, right? despite the bs name "unlimited") and allow me to use my 5GB any way I damn well please. 5GB to my PC is no different than 5GB to my phone--data is data. I might use more of my 5GB on my PC, but it's MY 5GB. I paid for it.
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That's a big FAIL, jackasses. #motoroladroid
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Im guessing this is what they block, but how would they do it?
My n95 works perfectly like that on vodafone in the UK, and iv done it on other networks aswel including o2 which as the iphone? #motoroladroid
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Also, I was just throwing a Star Wars droid related joke out there.. #motoroladroid
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And then if you bought an unlocked phone, then you could tether it. It is a phone software issue, rather than a network issue? So you could tether if you bought an unbranded phone and put in an AT&T sim?
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Just a shame when carries get an exclusive on a great phone. #motoroladroid
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i figured that was just a given. No?
anyway, cool way to tether. i guess it don't get much easier than that.
when is the new blueteef 3.0 coming to phones? then tethering will be awesome.
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