Not eating! There are so many people who are forced to eat on the go. Plus, when you smell those fries sitting next to you on the passenger seat, how can you resist?
I'm pretty much in agreement that distracted driving is dangerous. Personally, I think it should be the law to take a defensive driving course to get a license. I avoided three accidents on the way to work today. It's ridiculous. #texting
One day you're just calmly driving down the road texting... Then the next you're electrocuting yourself to death in a bathtub full of cold water so your hot girlfriend can have your heart! #texting
Who cares? It's really just another unenforceable law on the books. I mean what are they going to do, pull you over and check your time stamps and then guestimate how long you've been behind the wheel? #texting
@Rususeruru: Here in California we have a hands-free only law for cellphones. If they see you talking on your phone, they pull you over. They've nabbed a lot of people. I suppose if you keep your phone down low they may not see it but if they see you glancing down a lot, they'll probably pull you over. Even if they can't ticket you for texting, they'll get you for unsafe driving. From what I hear they don't have to look in each car to find the people on their phones. They just look for people driving like idiots. #texting
ah, turns out they only asked 829 people. which means that this statistic doesn't even qualify as being anecdotal.
hey matt? "Only 3 Percent of Americans Think It Should Be Legal to Text and Drive" is a pretty misleadingly bold headline. you could at least mention in the article that this is from a poll of only 829 people, and perhaps a footnote about how foolish it is to extrapolate the opinions of 300,000,000 people from the anonymous utterances of 829 people with enough spare time to sit around participating in phone polls. I doubt if half of them even own cars. #texting
@nutbastard: But that's how polling works, and in the general sense it holds true. That's not to say that this poll could be total bullshit, but if the sample is representative, it could be no more than 100 people for the percentage.
'Sides, there's a good argument for making "controlled substances" legal. There isn't for texting while driving, unless you consider the population problem...hmm #texting
@fryhole: Actually, for a poll to be considered accurate for any number of people it needs to represent 10% of the entire group. Thank you Comm. Studies 210 .
@nutbastard: Actually, the headline is pretty accurate. You really don't need much of a sample to get a fairly accurate read on a large population, even one in the millions. (In fact, once you get above tens of thousands, there isn't much difference. Extrapolating to 300 million is about the same as extrapolating to 300 thousand.)
At a 95% confidence level, their results should be accurate within about 1.15%.
There are some pretty good calculators out there if you're interested in experimenting with various sample sizes and confidence intervals. #texting
@nutbastard: Look, if you don't know how random sampling works and aren't interested in finding out, that's fine. But that doesn't make the study's conclusion or the article heading misleading or incorrect. #texting
I need to ask some questions:
What on the fucking Earth is so important to text that it can't wait until you stopped the 3-5000 lbs of fast moving iron under your ass? Is it so damn important to have an SMS-chat with your significant other while driving? Do you have to text five numbers to a given phone number every 108 minutes or a nuke will go off under NYC? Or what? Is being bored for a while so much worse than being a danger to everyone in your 100 feet radius? #texting
I don't see how that can be true. I don't think it should be illegal. If we made everything that was a little bit dangerous illegal what would we be allowed to do. #texting
@willburns1: Well, it's a lot dangerous. Plus, people who text and drive are not just endangering themselves. They're endangering all the other people around them that don't have a choice. That's usually where our society draws the line on these things. My right to swing my fist ends at your nose. There are some notable exceptions to this, of course. I do think we've gone to far into the realm of nanny government. I don't see this potential law as an example of that. I'm all for legalizing drugs (all of them, even the scary ones, not just pot), prostitution, gambling, etc. I think it's none of my damn business what people want to do with their own bodies and their own money. I do care what they do on the road because they could easily kill me. I think that's a fair place for government to be involved. #texting
I think they should ban putting on makeup while driving. I've seen too many women driving down the street, putting on mascara in their visor mirror and not paying attention. #texting
@Ajh: Seriously. I'd put an eye out. Besides, how hard is it to take two minutes to put it on before you leave the house or in the parking lot at work? Heck, it's not like the world will spin off its axis if you show up without mascara altogether. #texting
@FigNinja: Obviously those women didn't have time to put on their make-up at home because they were texting, which they aren't allowed to do in their car. =P #texting
I text and drive, and I don't think that it should be a crime. How about giving tickets to just people that actually CAUSE an accident, instead of people having a higher likelihood of being in an accident! What's next, a study comes out and finds that old people cause more accidents? or teenagers? It's madness, not to mention nearly unenforcable #texting
@Dave Powell: How about airlines ignoring all safety requirements for planes and only being fined after their planes crashes killing hundreds of people?
You are missing the point here. It's not about punishment, it's about prevention.
"I can text and drive perfectly well so I don't need to respect this law."
"Cellphones don't get in my way while driving"
"Look ma, I can do it without my hands too!"
"I can drink and drive perfectly well. I can even drive better while drunk!"
After the accident happens, you can't get the innocent people who got killed back to life, you can't fix the physical and psychological trauma with money or jail time.
And it's not that you're being forbidden from driving. Just turn the fucking fone off 'till you get to work. Is it that hard to do? #texting
"What's fascinating is that while 80 percent think phones should be a no-no, they deem it kosher if you're going hands-free."
Is it? Fact is, the electorate is dumb. Take a look at California's referendum system, where voters passed referendums that put a ridiculously large amount of money towards a high-speed rail system, disapproved of gay marriage, and couldn't agree on emergency budget measures to keep the state from going bankrupt. And then everyone thinks it's Schwarzenegger's fault.
This is why we elect representatives, people who (in theory) shouldn't be dumb and irrational like us, because people vote to their emotions, not their logic. When people are polled, the only things they generally have for reference are either advertisements, talk shows, or their religious advisors to help them decide how to vote. Congress has hearings and testimony and evidence. IIRC it was George Washington who, when asked about why there would be both a Senate and a House, replied that the Senate served as the "cooling plate" for the "hot pot of boiling legislation" that would come from the House (or something to that regard). If the House, elected directly by the public (back in the days when the Senate wasn't), was irrational - imagine how letting the public itself vote would be! #texting
3% don't care. That's a whole 3 percent of 300 million ish country. That's 3 million that don't care about text and drive. In which case, that well enough to have hell on the roads ladies and gentlemen.
It's not a "crime". That's just the dumbest thing to do while driving.
People are too drunk to drive, we arrest them. People are too high to drive, we arrest them. People text message, totally normal, nothing dangerous at someone not looking at the god damn road.
@Zerod Zunaro: That's 3% of 829 adults with landlines that answered their phone between October 5th and 8th. Look, I'm not arguing that texting while driving should be legal. But let's not start making ridiculous extrapolations here.
I'm not sure what the legalities are of calling cell phones randomly for a survey. However, I'm guessing if you actually included phones capable of sending text messages in this survey, the numbers would be different.
Who the heck even has a landline anymore, anyways? #texting
Well, not exactly. It appears I slightly misread. According to the third paragraph, the landline sample was "supplemented" by random dialing of cell-phone numbers as well. It's unclear just how many of the numbers were landlines and how many were cellphones. Nevertheless, the point still stands (if on a sprained ankle), targeting landlines as a primary audience for conversations about a feature for cell phones is more than a little biased. I'd be more comfortable with the study if it targeted cell phones and then picked up landlines as the "supplement".
My own personal reservations about extrapolating the opinions of 829 people to the scale of 300 million notwithstanding. #texting
exactly. one could call 829 random numbers in santa cruz county and come up with a headline like "95% of Americans think marijuana should be legalized!"
they ought to be ashamed, printing such drivel. #texting
97% agreed it should be banned. And 100% of those 97% just kept right on doing it themselves, because it's the other people who can't do it responsibly. #texting
Proof positive that 97% of Americans are slack jawed troglodytes who are tools of the media and most likely can't chew gum and safely operate a vehicle simultaneously.
Not to mention the vast numbers of "average" Americans who drive every day hopped up on prescription drugs, or the old people who are more dangerous than drunk drivers but who still drive and kill legally every day.
The remaining 3% of us who were RAISED to multitask, and can simultaneously chew gum, txt, drive, balance a checkbook and recite Shakespeare should be the only ones allowed to do so via special merit based licensing therefore weeding out those who are incapable.
Then again, that would be much too practical. Let's just cave in to another Washington ploy to take the focus off of our politicians inadequacies by torch/pitchforking another fabricated demon. #texting
Personally, I think we should also ban eating, drinking, using combs or makeup, overly talkative passengers, any kind of music, talk radio, GPS navigators, and small children from being in cars, period. Only then can we drive completely safely, since then we won't ever be distracted by anything ever again.
Jesus Matt, did you enjoy your weekend read of "Atlas Shrugged"? Are you ready to deplore the sad state of America's nouveau-facist laws and their hatred of freedom? Do you firmly believe that true freedom requires a certain level of pedestrian deaths? #texting
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I'm pretty much in agreement that distracted driving is dangerous. Personally, I think it should be the law to take a defensive driving course to get a license. I avoided three accidents on the way to work today. It's ridiculous. #texting
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One day you're just calmly driving down the road texting... Then the next you're electrocuting yourself to death in a bathtub full of cold water so your hot girlfriend can have your heart! #texting
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ah, turns out they only asked 829 people. which means that this statistic doesn't even qualify as being anecdotal.
hey matt? "Only 3 Percent of Americans Think It Should Be Legal to Text and Drive" is a pretty misleadingly bold headline. you could at least mention in the article that this is from a poll of only 829 people, and perhaps a footnote about how foolish it is to extrapolate the opinions of 300,000,000 people from the anonymous utterances of 829 people with enough spare time to sit around participating in phone polls. I doubt if half of them even own cars. #texting
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'Sides, there's a good argument for making "controlled substances" legal. There isn't for texting while driving, unless you consider the population problem...hmm #texting
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At a 95% confidence level, their results should be accurate within about 1.15%.
There are some pretty good calculators out there if you're interested in experimenting with various sample sizes and confidence intervals. #texting
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829 people = 0.00000276% of the population.
polling on that order could create headlines like '95% of americans are actually 1st generation chinese'. #texting
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What on the fucking Earth is so important to text that it can't wait until you stopped the 3-5000 lbs of fast moving iron under your ass? Is it so damn important to have an SMS-chat with your significant other while driving? Do you have to text five numbers to a given phone number every 108 minutes or a nuke will go off under NYC? Or what? Is being bored for a while so much worse than being a danger to everyone in your 100 feet radius? #texting
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You are missing the point here. It's not about punishment, it's about prevention.
"I can text and drive perfectly well so I don't need to respect this law."
"Cellphones don't get in my way while driving"
"Look ma, I can do it without my hands too!"
"I can drink and drive perfectly well. I can even drive better while drunk!"
After the accident happens, you can't get the innocent people who got killed back to life, you can't fix the physical and psychological trauma with money or jail time.
And it's not that you're being forbidden from driving. Just turn the fucking fone off 'till you get to work. Is it that hard to do? #texting
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Is it? Fact is, the electorate is dumb. Take a look at California's referendum system, where voters passed referendums that put a ridiculously large amount of money towards a high-speed rail system, disapproved of gay marriage, and couldn't agree on emergency budget measures to keep the state from going bankrupt. And then everyone thinks it's Schwarzenegger's fault.
This is why we elect representatives, people who (in theory) shouldn't be dumb and irrational like us, because people vote to their emotions, not their logic. When people are polled, the only things they generally have for reference are either advertisements, talk shows, or their religious advisors to help them decide how to vote. Congress has hearings and testimony and evidence. IIRC it was George Washington who, when asked about why there would be both a Senate and a House, replied that the Senate served as the "cooling plate" for the "hot pot of boiling legislation" that would come from the House (or something to that regard). If the House, elected directly by the public (back in the days when the Senate wasn't), was irrational - imagine how letting the public itself vote would be! #texting
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It's not a "crime". That's just the dumbest thing to do while driving.
People are too drunk to drive, we arrest them. People are too high to drive, we arrest them. People text message, totally normal, nothing dangerous at someone not looking at the god damn road.
Seriously. Get real. #texting
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I'm not sure what the legalities are of calling cell phones randomly for a survey. However, I'm guessing if you actually included phones capable of sending text messages in this survey, the numbers would be different.
Who the heck even has a landline anymore, anyways? #texting
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Well that pretty much just covers the old-people out of touch with technology demographic pretty well #texting
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Well, not exactly. It appears I slightly misread. According to the third paragraph, the landline sample was "supplemented" by random dialing of cell-phone numbers as well. It's unclear just how many of the numbers were landlines and how many were cellphones. Nevertheless, the point still stands (if on a sprained ankle), targeting landlines as a primary audience for conversations about a feature for cell phones is more than a little biased. I'd be more comfortable with the study if it targeted cell phones and then picked up landlines as the "supplement".
My own personal reservations about extrapolating the opinions of 829 people to the scale of 300 million notwithstanding. #texting
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exactly. one could call 829 random numbers in santa cruz county and come up with a headline like "95% of Americans think marijuana should be legalized!"
they ought to be ashamed, printing such drivel. #texting
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Not to mention the vast numbers of "average" Americans who drive every day hopped up on prescription drugs, or the old people who are more dangerous than drunk drivers but who still drive and kill legally every day.
The remaining 3% of us who were RAISED to multitask, and can simultaneously chew gum, txt, drive, balance a checkbook and recite Shakespeare should be the only ones allowed to do so via special merit based licensing therefore weeding out those who are incapable.
Then again, that would be much too practical. Let's just cave in to another Washington ploy to take the focus off of our politicians inadequacies by torch/pitchforking another fabricated demon. #texting
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Jesus Matt, did you enjoy your weekend read of "Atlas Shrugged"? Are you ready to deplore the sad state of America's nouveau-facist laws and their hatred of freedom? Do you firmly believe that true freedom requires a certain level of pedestrian deaths? #texting
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