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11/24/09
#what
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Paying FedEx a shitload of money every month for the possibility that I will need a package delivered and then, when I need one, being told I won't get it because I had a preexisting address.
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If not here is the link
[twitpic.com]
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[digg.com]
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[www.reddit.com]
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Thanks for that.
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I'm guessing it's purple... and has "Bad mother fucker" written on the side.
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YOU FAIL!
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@gaiking: You Fail.
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Read it- all of you, and then debate it.
It's a little over 2000 pages of small print. If you start now, you should finish it in a couple of days.
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This isn't a pdf so it's a bit easier to load. It's also available at house.gov under h.r. 3200
I'll admit I haven't finished reading the entire thing.
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Oh come on. So if you disagree with Obama's plan you are anti-healthcare reform and a bigot? Don't insult us, just don't.
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In eighth grade you must have missed the day when they discussed the adjective noun section of grammar class.
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The only thing I have to say about those protesters as well as those Republicans opposing the bill is...
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There was a video on ABC News of an old white woman at a protest saying that the "Arabs" were behind the healtcare.
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Educative Video
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Paying FedEx to mail my grandma a birthday gift, but then be required by law to wait in line and pay the post office to mail her an empty box that gets there 4 days later.
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At the rate insurance costs are climbing, NO one will be able to afford it in 15-20 years. Personally, I don't like the idea of paying $600 a month for insurance (what it costs for a family through my employer). I'd rather have that money to invest for retirement.
09/17/09
Think about it, those billions of $ of profits that the insurance make every year, where does it come from?
09/17/09
If the government will readily provide all the necessities of life for those who do not have a job, what incentive is there to get a job?
I'm NOT saying we shouldn't help out those in need who honestly can't do it for themselves. But having a blanket coverage for all who don't provide for themselves poses the great danger of breeding a sense of entitlement.
My wife worked in the worst ghettos of Philadelphia for two years trying to help youth get out of the ghetto lifestyle, and she is one of those people who wants to do all she can to help those who can't help themseleves, but she got so disheartened by all the people who lived off of government subsistance when they were quite capable of working, because they felt like the government owed them what they received.
It's a very fine line, and a difficult system to balance.
And as a side note, opposing Obama's healthcare proposal doesn't mean someone is against health care reform, it just means they don't feel it should happen according to Obama's plan. I personally favor the system Baucus proposed recently, with no public option.
09/17/09
I kind of wish everyone on this list saying that an overhaul of healthcare is a bad idea could go without healthcare for a couple of years so they can see what fun it is to be sick in america...
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So there you have it. Republicans don’t give a crap about anyone else, only about themselves.
09/17/09
Heart to you my friend. :)
09/17/09
This whole issue all comes down to the phrase "promote the general welfare". There is no provision elsewhere in the constitution which says what the government must provide for the people beyond the common defense. Having healthcare provided for you is not a fundamental right, just like food and shelter aren;t fundamental rights. The government is made to protect your ability to seek out your livelihood for yourself.
BUT, we are not heartless, we do not turn away the needy in this country, those who are disadvantaged or just need a solid start. In a perfect world, we would watch out for each other, and we wouldn't need a government to make it happen, we would do it out of the kindness of our hearts. But it is not a perfect world, and those who would help cannot help everyone. The flaws of humanity make everyone suffer a little, and some suffer much. A lot fo the suffering is self-inflicted, and a lot of it isn't.
Just as society cannot provide for everyone on it's own because it is populated with imperfect people, so a government run by those same people will have those same flaws. It doesn't matter what plan you have, private or government. Some are going to suffer under it. Fact of life. Which method will create the least suffering in health and the economy? You and I obviously disagree on this, but please don't assume I must not understand something or be missing information you have which would change my mind. You and I just think differently, and likely neither of us is a bad person.
09/17/09
Having food, shelter, and healthcare are basic needs that makes us civilized. I know that some of you love that Romanticized image of Republican ethos of everyman for him/herself, until of course, you’re the one who needs the help. Then all of a sudden it all makes sense. You have to realize that the current system was the one that the Republicans wanted. Back in the 90’s Hillary tried to make the necessary changed but was shot down by propaganda. So now, 20 years later, what do we have? The Republicans should be front and center taking full ownership of it but instead, they want to coward behind their rhetoric of shooting down another attempt at fixing it. I for one don’t like the fact that we spend the most money of any nation on earth on healthcare but we’re behind many developing nations in terms of coverage/service. Does it not bother you that Cubans have better coverage than we do?
The fact of the matter is, healthcare is closed-end system where it’s a zero sum game. Insurance companies are for profit companies who would rather squeeze the dumb poor patient than a large pharma with larger and smarter resources. Why would you call those consumers who would advocate this form of healthcare system be anything but dumb and misguided? Why would anyone who has a brain think that by putting some entity whose sole purpose is to maximize profits by minimizing the benefits to its payees be anything but foolish?
As far as having some of the people suffer, welcome to democracy 101. Again, the forefathers realized that no system is perfect, just that democracy was the best form they can come up with at the time. That’s why Jefferson, who wasn’t too hot on democracy either said, "democracy is where 51% of the people tell the other 49% what to do."
09/18/09
You seem to think that I don't want to help out those in need, when I have stated multiple times that I'm all for helping out those who cannot help themselves.
What you have to realize is that you see what seems to be an obvious solution based on the evidence you've seen, and I also see what I believe to be an obvious solution based on the evidence that I've seen. We've seen different evidence, we have different experiences, and we think differently. I don't think you're misinformed or you don't care about people, I think that you think about the world differently, and that's great. If you can't afford me the same courtesy of not assuming I'm an idiot because I don't agree with you, then I see no point in continuing this discussion.
One last note, you're right about Thomas Jefferson, and I agree with him. Which is why he worked so hard to ensure we were not a pure democracy. We are a Republic. A democratic republic, but a republic nonetheless. Thomas Jefferson feared mob rule, but also feared the trust of all our wellbeing to the government.
"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them."
I see healthcare as something that does need to be reformed. I don't think the status quo is acceptable, I failed to make that point earlier. But I DO NOT agree with handing the system over to the government's hands.