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I can tell you they are a rat-f**k company to work for. They will use/employ any/every dirty trick in the book to gain market share or customers, stealing away customers. Who doesn't in a free market economy?
For AT&T to cry foul over these commercials is silly at best, laughable, after the crap I've seen them pull behind the scenes.
@DustyButt™: oh...oh no. AT&T's been riding its iPhone fueled fantasy train for too long, and its starting to stutter. Come on AT&T, Verizon's giving the iPhone the most major competition its had in a while and your response is THIS?
@DustyButt™: Ahahaha, thats hilarious. Yet they're so vague. Nation's fastest 3g network... hmm yeah my ass. When you can access it maybe. Otherwise it's slower than most.
@DustyButt™: Wait a minute....talk and surf at the same time? I could have sworn I did this on my Droid the first day that I got it? So shouldn't he check both of them?
@DustyButt™: Fastest 3G network by what measure? And how much faster? Verizon's map gives us clear data. This commercial tells us nothing.
Also, yeah AT&T you have the most popular smart phone. But you also charge so much for the service that I went to great lengths to hack the phone and switch to T-Mobile. What does that say about your service?
@Elliuotatar: Yeah, if you notice AT&T stays away from naming Verizon directly and they use the vague term "better 3G experience". No maps, no figures, no illustrations. Maybe they'll really take a swing when they regroup!
@Jonesy555: Yeah, I think you can only access the web and talk simultaneously when you're on WiFi with the Droid. So I don't think the second "fact" is entirely true. that's the case on my Droid atleast.
"most people who are watching TV are semi-catatonic"
1) Is the judge an expert on this?
2) Does that give content producers the right to lie/libel/slander? What about present lewd material contrary to FCC regulations? Will people let it go because they are "semi-catatonic"?
Even if the maps are not misleading (doubtful), that quote is inexcusable and looks like evidence of judicial misconduct at least in the context presented.
Don't get me wrong, I think AT&T needs to get off their asses and get competitive with Verizon, but that's bullshit.
@blash: so you don't like the language the judge used by you still agree with the statement he makes with it.
The maps are not misleading because they are properly labeled and from at&t. the maps data wasn't made up by verizon neither did they say the maps were at&t's voice coverage.
Also, judicial misconduct in this case would involve taking a bribe.
@Bs Baldwin: My point being that judges are supposed to be impartial. There's a difference between quoting someone and laying your own pre-conceptions on the subject matter into the ruling. Saying that there's no need to verify the claims of a television commercial since TV watchers are semi-catatonic is akin to saying there's no need to listen to date rape drug victims because they were unconscious when it happened and they didn't live through (and have to remember) the horror. If an expert was brought forth to testify to that effect and the judge was merely quoting the witness, that's an entirely different matter.
And can someone link me to an ATT 3G coverage map from ATT's site that looks like that? Because I couldn't find one. The "Data" map is much more extensive but that's probably just EDGE service, and looking at the Mobile TV map there's some stuff missing from the one in the commercial.
@blash:
no it would be the same as trying to make a decision for the pepsi challenge commercials. judge don't make jokes in real trials and their opinions are only in disgust because lawyers can try to get convictions overturned.
Whoa, whoa, whoa, Ms. Golijan! The part in the story I don't like is that AT&T gave up after an hour. They didn't put posters up or anything, they just sat on the porch like goons and waited. That company's gotta think: 'You got a phone. You got a responsibility.' If your phone gets schooled, you don't bitch and file suit then call it quits; you get your ass out there and you fight that fuckin' Verizon!
Sounds like AT&T was wishing for the 52'' flatscreen LCD TV with surround sound, a PS3, XBox 360, and home media center and instead were given a dead zone.
@theoldwolf: Isn't this the million dollar question? More coverage does not necessarily translate into better coverage. How well does that Verizon coverage work in the middle of Montana?
Not that ATT has much to brag about when it comes to 3G service but I also hear complaints about Verizon too so there doesn't seem to be a clear winner.
@waclark57: I didn't say there was. I merely stated that the AT&T coverage I have experienced in the Los Angeles area is monumentally crap. I have no experience with any other carrier in the area, so I can't and won't comment on them.
@theoldwolf: @oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo...: No problems in LA either. Coverage is fantastic at USC, in the Valley, in Westwood, Redondo Beach... I've had some dropped calls while speeding (ahem, relative term) along Wilshire Blvd. among the skyscrapers and there's no service down in the Metro, but come on that's pretty typical.
@blash: Glad it works somewhere, mate. I'm on USC's Health Sciences Campus most of the time and coverage is okay there, but at home in Glendale service is terrible.
Followed by an ad featuring AT&T staff bludgeoning the shit out of people with iPhones, while people in the Verizon store are fed grapes and fanned with giant feathers while they text on their Motorola Droids.
@Nathan Obbards: Yeah, I'm familiar with him :)
There's a Dutch writer that has some great social commentary on television as well, Gerrit Komrij. No idea if any of that has ever been translated.
If only they could eat eachother. I have a Nokia itnrigue with evrsion and I am on my third model due to a persisten software glitch that renders the phone inoperable when verizon sends certain automated messages to it, and the problem will go from model to model.
They refuse to evena cknowledge that the error is real when I walk up and show them mine, and cases of many other people. Been going on for over 2 months. #verizonatt
11/19/09
I can tell you they are a rat-f**k company to work for. They will use/employ any/every dirty trick in the book to gain market share or customers, stealing away customers. Who doesn't in a free market economy?
For AT&T to cry foul over these commercials is silly at best, laughable, after the crap I've seen them pull behind the scenes.
Oh, the stories I could tell.
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AT&Ts response... WEAK.
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(btw, the letter V is cool.)
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its soo utterly terrible, and Luke should be ashamed of himself to star in that ad
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Also, yeah AT&T you have the most popular smart phone. But you also charge so much for the service that I went to great lengths to hack the phone and switch to T-Mobile. What does that say about your service?
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@Jonesy555: Yeah, I think you can only access the web and talk simultaneously when you're on WiFi with the Droid. So I don't think the second "fact" is entirely true. that's the case on my Droid atleast.
11/18/09
I'm going to keep a bag of popcorn near the TV just for the Verizon response commercial.
11/18/09
1) Is the judge an expert on this?
2) Does that give content producers the right to lie/libel/slander? What about present lewd material contrary to FCC regulations? Will people let it go because they are "semi-catatonic"?
Even if the maps are not misleading (doubtful), that quote is inexcusable and looks like evidence of judicial misconduct at least in the context presented.
Don't get me wrong, I think AT&T needs to get off their asses and get competitive with Verizon, but that's bullshit.
11/19/09
The maps are not misleading because they are properly labeled and from at&t. the maps data wasn't made up by verizon neither did they say the maps were at&t's voice coverage.
Also, judicial misconduct in this case would involve taking a bribe.
11/19/09
And can someone link me to an ATT 3G coverage map from ATT's site that looks like that? Because I couldn't find one. The "Data" map is much more extensive but that's probably just EDGE service, and looking at the Mobile TV map there's some stuff missing from the one in the commercial.
11/19/09
no it would be the same as trying to make a decision for the pepsi challenge commercials. judge don't make jokes in real trials and their opinions are only in disgust because lawyers can try to get convictions overturned.
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the blue is 3g
this is a high res of that map
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Not that ATT has much to brag about when it comes to 3G service but I also hear complaints about Verizon too so there doesn't seem to be a clear winner.
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If so... wow.
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DCJ Timothy Batten Sr is my idol. Forever.
11/18/09
''Television knows no night. It is perpetual day. TV embodies our fear of the dark, of night, of the other side of things."
11/18/09
There's a Dutch writer that has some great social commentary on television as well, Gerrit Komrij. No idea if any of that has ever been translated.
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They refuse to evena cknowledge that the error is real when I walk up and show them mine, and cases of many other people. Been going on for over 2 months. #verizonatt