So a company decides that by selecting one set of hardware vendors for integral components they can improve reliability and reduce development costs at the expense of flexibility and price competition. This is a fairly standard, if at times questionable business decision. One would think it would be fairly familiar for Giz, seeing as it's the basis of how Apple works as well.
@icelight: While it's a similar practice by Apple, it's not the same. It's more closely related to high speed ISP's selling and supporting specific wireless routers, specifically 2Wires. While most any wireless router would work, they only support the 2Wires because it's far easier to support when [stupid] people call in complaining that their service isn't working due to their JoeBob wireless router setup.
You don't need a specific Mac compatible drive (even though they would love that) to use on one, and you technically don't even need the Mac OS to operate Mac hardware. They just limit the use of their software on others hardware. Of course you can do that, but it's ridiculous to think that they would need to support their OS on PC hardware (in fact that's why they don't, so many different PC hardware manufacturers to support).
For those reasons I don't think it's that unusual for TiVo to do this, but on the other side it's just a standard, generic port. If TiVo were bigger dicks and developed their own port..... well it would be even more ridiculous but then be more understandable.
@I'm a PC: That all seems like far more trouble than simply connecting up a drive that was sold for the express purpose of adding extra storage, doesn't it?
"When I buy an electronic toothbrush from Braun or Philips, am I restricted to using a particular kind of toothpaste? No. The understanding is that I will use toothpaste, but not what kind."
Actually, that's not quite true. Using your electronic toothbrush with a mismatched and/or unapproved toothpaste can lead to less-than-optimal results.
there are hacks to get around it. I was also under the impression that other eSATA drives will work, they just aren't supported by Tivo and you will void the warranty if you use something other than the approved WD one. Check out the folks at Tivocommunity, there's lots of good information about everything Tivo there
@FrancesTheMute: it is illegal for them to void your warranty because of the use of a different drive. they would need to prove it caused the failure of their device. they, however, do not have to offer support for another device.
@fleebailey33: cause everything falls so short in comparison. for a lot of folks your cable provider's box is fine, but for the discriminating TV connoisseur only the best will do. TiVo just does so much more so well
call seagate and ask 'em to sue. litigation fixes everything.
now, in the mean time send me the seagate and i will test it out for you guys. i will do a full write up and send you back the drive when i am done. i right very good.
Man, you guys are fact-checking the hell out of me today, and I appreciate it. I was clearly not paying 100% attention when I wrote it. Busy day. Sorry!!
There's no mention of expansion via eSATA like on TiVo and cable boxes, nor is there any mention of the internet apps we have come to expect in everything devices like this one.
followed by: * 500 GB storage means 75 hours of 1080 HD recording or 300 hours of standard definition recording - and Moxi is expandable with up to two terabytes of external eSATA drive storage
@Hooray4Zoidberg: agreed. I mean, I could understand it if customers weren't paying for the service - heck, give them the option to have ads in lieu of monthly subscription fee and they might take it. But just to try and make a little more money off of them? That's just an abuse of trust.
My TimeWarner Cable DVR doesn't do that, though it probably will shortly. But given the choice between suffering ads on my TimeWarner DVR or buying hardware and paying for service on a TiVO and watching ads, I think I'll stick with TWC, as much as it pains me to say that.
@Kaiser-Machead: I believe he was referring to something like, "How is NBC going to produce 'Law & Order' without advertising revenue," and not referring to the subscription fees for TiVo service.
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You don't need a specific Mac compatible drive (even though they would love that) to use on one, and you technically don't even need the Mac OS to operate Mac hardware. They just limit the use of their software on others hardware. Of course you can do that, but it's ridiculous to think that they would need to support their OS on PC hardware (in fact that's why they don't, so many different PC hardware manufacturers to support).
For those reasons I don't think it's that unusual for TiVo to do this, but on the other side it's just a standard, generic port. If TiVo were bigger dicks and developed their own port..... well it would be even more ridiculous but then be more understandable.
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Actually, that's not quite true. Using your electronic toothbrush with a mismatched and/or unapproved toothpaste can lead to less-than-optimal results.
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why hasn't DVR killed it?
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do you still need a phone line?
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now, in the mean time send me the seagate and i will test it out for you guys. i will do a full write up and send you back the drive when i am done. i right very good.
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[money.cnn.com]
Because Seagate tried to screw cable and DVR companies by attempting to force them to buy more expensive/faster drives.
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$400$800, No Fees, 500GB HDD, Might Even Be Realfollowed by:
* 500 GB storage means 75 hours of 1080 HD recording or 300 hours of standard definition recording - and Moxi is expandable with up to two terabytes of external eSATA drive storage
Makes baby Jesus cry.
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My TimeWarner Cable DVR doesn't do that, though it probably will shortly. But given the choice between suffering ads on my TimeWarner DVR or buying hardware and paying for service on a TiVO and watching ads, I think I'll stick with TWC, as much as it pains me to say that.
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I dunno,...the subscription fees?
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