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    12/01/09

    In reply to The iPhone Is an Affront to Language
    I'm a programmer so camel case is second nature to me.
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    11/30/09

    In reply to The iPhone Is an Affront to Language
    "So once I finished cleaning my GLOCK, I turned off my iPod, set my iRobot Roomba about its duties, and sat down at my PlayStation 3 (powered by nVidia!) to play some inFAMOUS..."

    WaHaHa... I Do Love Using Superfluous Caps In Everything! Even Better If It's InAppropriAte In A Way That Makes The Word HArDeR tO REad...

    *tazes self*

    Sorry... I don't know what came over me there... I just uh... sorry... Won't Happen Again...
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    Image of Die Fledermaus Die Fledermaus
    11/30/09

    In reply to The iPhone Is an Affront to Language
    Wow not one person took a puerile leaning to the comments, with the mention in the article of camel case. I am impressed.
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    Image of Joe Stoner Joe Stoner
    11/30/09

    @Die Fledermaus: Your mom took a peurile leaning to the comments.
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    Image of Die Fledermaus Die Fledermaus
    11/30/09

    @Joe Stoner: How is that erect posture thing working out for you?
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    Image of Joe Stoner Joe Stoner
    12/01/09

    @Die Fledermaus: Really?? You don't see what I did there? The part where you said that there weren't any juvenile comments, and I made a "your mom" joke out of that?

    There was actually a hidden message in there if you look at the context. I didn't just make a "your mom" joke so I could see words come up on the screen as I typed them.
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    Image of lostarchitect lostarchitect
    11/30/09

    In reply to The iPhone Is an Affront to Language
    Settings
    General
    Keyboard
    Auto-Capitalization
    Off

    Your iPhone will be an iphone forevermore!
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    Image of nutbastard nutbastard
    11/30/09

    In reply to The iPhone Is an Affront to Language
    in a few more years we'll all be speaking lol so teh ifone wil be okayz.
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    Image of Die Fledermaus Die Fledermaus
    11/30/09

    In reply to The iPhone Is an Affront to Language
    I am noticing something which plays right into this article. There are several condescending posts by people deriding the quote which uses less common words, and which points to a writer with a more then average vocabulary. When did it become a crime to have a vocabulary that uses a sizable portion of the english language. Have we become so lazy that BRB, LOL and TTFN etc are the best we can master?
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    Image of aubreyAubrey aubreyAubrey
    11/30/09

    @Die Fledermaus: Because it sounds gay. And so do you. /Idiocracy
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    Image of Die Fledermaus Die Fledermaus
    11/30/09

    @aubreyAubrey: I present you as exhibit A.
    Thank you for stepping up as prime example that even the internet troll can be supplanted by a lesser intellectual animal.
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    Image of aubreyAubrey aubreyAubrey
    11/30/09

    @Die Fledermaus: Erg. Me be exhibit! Me likey!
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    Image of MIKEAWESOME MIKEAWESOME
    11/30/09

    @Die Fledermaus: Without delving too much further into the text, I'd say read what George Orwell has to say about the English Language in 1946 and a recent turn to the language of old, replacing the common language for the more complex, full of superfluous words that become a notch on their belt for having a more profound understanding of language that could be wholly avoided and still remain as expressive, if less impressive.

    [www.mtholyoke.edu]

    The opening paragraph:
    "Most people who bother with the matter at all would admit that the English language is in a bad way, but it is generally assumed that we cannot by conscious action do anything about it. Our civilization is decadent and our language -- so the argument runs -- must inevitably share in the general collapse. It follows that any struggle against the abuse of language is a sentimental archaism, like preferring candles to electric light or hansom cabs to aeroplanes. Underneath this lies the half-conscious belief that language is a natural growth and not an instrument which we shape for our own purposes."

    Very interesting how it all seems to have been reversed as of late, yes? A return to the more complex?
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    Image of Die Fledermaus Die Fledermaus
    11/30/09

    @MIKEAWESOME: I believe it is like most things in our society it is a pendulum swing. While I think the use of a more extensive vocabulary is never a detriment I also that believe that one must live in the here and the now. It would be similar to speaking nothing but Elizabethan english.
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    Image of valkilmerisawful valkilmerisawful
    11/30/09

    @aubreyAubrey: I believe the appropriate annunciation for that particular case of onomatopoeia is "Ugg."
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    Image of MIKEAWESOME MIKEAWESOME
    11/30/09

    @Die Fledermaus: I feel the exact same way. Language is not an artifact of history, but a tool for our use, the tool may change, but it only changes to fit the job and will continue to adapt to fit the job as necessary.

    In short, I don't think we ought to be worrying about language too much.
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    Image of Xagest Xagest
    11/30/09

    In reply to The iPhone Is an Affront to Language
    I absolutely hate the"iName" setup. I can never tell if I'm supposed to capitalize the i when I start a sentence with that word.
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    Image of valkilmerisawful valkilmerisawful
    11/30/09

    @Xagest: I'm interested to know of often you create a sentence starting with that word - but I agree, and I'll go one step further to say that it makes me very uncomfortable writing those kinds of words. I could be typing at 100 words per minute and then spend three minutes trying to decide how I should write a misfit word/title/brand. Either, correctly, or, how "they" think I should. I'd rather hammer-fist my keyboard than encounter one of them.
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    11/30/09

    @valkilmerisawful:
    Not as often as I used to. I've gotten into the habit of writing "The" at the beginning of the sentence to save myself the trouble. So now I say "The iPod needs..." or "The iPhone is..." instead of starting a sentence with either of the brands.
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    Image of redman042 redman042
    11/30/09

    In reply to The iPhone Is an Affront to Language
    This is obviously a slow news day.

    Language is always changing, and it always has, influenced by the culture of the day. Just let it happen. Maybe it's okay that in the not-too-distant future we'll all be typing long strong-together words intermixed with random capital letters, all written out in the Comic Sans font. So what?
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    Image of Jrsy Devil's Advocate® Jrsy Devil's Advocate®
    11/30/09

    In reply to The iPhone Is an Affront to Language
    You know what I hate worse than improper capitalization? Acronyms. That's right NYT, I'm looking at you!
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    Image of nutbastard nutbastard
    11/30/09

    @Jrsy Devil's Advocate®:

    NYT isn't an acronym, it's an abbreviation. Unless you actually pronounce it as "Nite". then it's an acronym.
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    Image of Bwehngamun Bwehngamun
    11/30/09

    @nutbastard: or it could be New York Times...
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    Image of nutbastard nutbastard
    11/30/09

    @Bwehngamun:

    ahem:

    an acronym is an abbreviation that is spoken as if it is a word, like NASDAQ (naz-dack).

    Things like NYT or FBI or LSD or NAACP are not acronyms, as they are not spoken as if they are words.

    dude... i know what the friggin NYT is.

    wtf.
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    Image of Bwehngamun Bwehngamun
    11/30/09

    @nutbastard: First of all, I was not insulting you, but now I am. An acronym is a word or phrase made up of the first letter or syllable of a group of words. FBI IS an acronym for the Federal Bureau of Investigation. Acronyms CAN be used as an abbreviation for a word or phrase that means the same thing to save time and is popular in internet language and speech. So you are correct that can be spoken as if they are words but are not limited to this and only this.

    Acronyms can even create words or names that didn't previously exist such as SCUBA which is an acronym for Self-Contained Underwater Breathing Apparatus.

    So "Ahem" your wrong.
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    Edited by Bwehngamun at 11/30/09 5:01 PM Bwehngamun was starred Bwehngamun was unstarred
    Image of nutbastard nutbastard
    11/30/09

    @Bwehngamun:

    "An acronym (pronounced AK-ruh-nihm, from Greek acro- in the sense of extreme or tip and onyma or name) is an abbreviation of several words in such a way that the abbreviation itself forms a pronounceable word. The word may already exist or it can be a new word. Webster's cites SNAFU and radar, two terms of World War Two vintage, as examples of acronyms that were created.

    According to the strictest definition of an acronym, only abbreviations that are pronounced as words qualify. So by these standards, for example, COBOL is an acronym because it's pronounced as a word but WHO (World Health Organization) is not an acronym because the letters in the abbreviation are pronounced individually."
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    Image of natelock natelock
    11/30/09

    @nutbastard: "a word (as NATO, radar, or laser) formed from the initial letter or letters of each of the successive parts or major parts of a compound term; also : an abbreviation (as FBI) formed from initial letters : initialism"

    Now that we have all demonstrated our ability to use a dictionary, this case is dismissed based on the grounds that it is ridiculous by nature. Court is adjourned.
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    Image of Gordon_Shumway Gordon_Shumway
    11/30/09

    @nutbastard: A quick Google search informs me that abbreviations like FBI and CIA are called "initialisms," whereas things like NATO are true acronyms. So you're right.
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    nutbastard promoted this comment Edited by Gordon_Shumway at 11/30/09 6:32 PM Gordon_Shumway was starred Gordon_Shumway was unstarred
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    11/30/09

    @natelock:

    we haven't all demonstrated that ability - still waiting for Bwehngamun to catch up with us.
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    Image of OCEntertainment OCEntertainment
    11/30/09

    In reply to The iPhone Is an Affront to Language
    Fun facts: matt's keyboards have numerous stabby marks on them.

    It is believed by some that a capital letter beat matt up as a child.

    The walls of matt's bedroom are painted with phrases like "capital letters = satan's propaganda", "shift = shit getting f'ed" and "camel case will spit cancer on your soul", as well as big capital letters with "x"es marked all over them with notations saying "this is a lower-case x in a big font-size NOT a capital x".

    The irony of that last one has not yet dawned on matt.
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    11/30/09

    @OCEntertainment: You can rest for the remainder of the day. Your comment can't be topped, my eloquent e-friend.
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    Image of Kaiser-Machead Kaiser-Machead
    11/30/09

    In reply to The iPhone Is an Affront to Language
    In light of this terrifying revelation, I propose we burn down McDonalds.

    It helps to remind ourselves that this is not actually a form of language, but rather just another way to design a branding image, like a logo. They are made that way just so that it gives off a certain look when plastered to a display centerpiece, and on the product itself. When you see the brand on a poster, the "misplaced" capital letters are distinctive and often memorable, like iPod.
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    Edited by Kaiser-Machead at 11/30/09 2:18 PM Kaiser-Machead was starred Kaiser-Machead was unstarred
    Image of Segador Segador
    11/30/09

    @Kaiser-Machead: I see that "Kapital" letter after the hyphen in your name, commie.
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    Image of Kaiser-Machead Kaiser-Machead
    11/30/09

    @Segador: Ah but a hyphen surely undoes thy righteous judgment! Nay to thee, good sir!
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    Image of GitEmSteveDave_IsNotLarryGaga GitEmSteveDave_IsNotLarryGaga
    11/30/09

    In reply to The iPhone Is an Affront to Language
    So when I name my first born SteveDave, he won't be that much of a bother to teachers when he corrects them that only the first letter in a word is capitalized? Darn.
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    Image of jakemg jakemg
    11/30/09

    @GitEmSteveDave_DefinesTurgid: +1 to SteveDave. Better yet, sTeveDaVe.

    My sister in law is a kindergarten teacher and she has a little girl in her class named "La-a," which is pronounced "Ladasha." You can't make this stuff up.
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    Image of Nathan Obbards Nathan Obbards
    11/30/09

    @jakemg: Does that mean I could name my kid * and legally call him/her Star?

    I'm more inclined to spell SteveDave to capitalize to spell other words or acronyms, like STeveDave or sTevEDave.
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    Image of lolbrbnvm lolbrbnvm
    11/30/09

    @jakemg: Yes, you can absolutely make this stuff up.

    [www.snopes.com]
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    11/30/09

    @lolbrbnvm: Zing.
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    Image of drac-u-lala drac-u-lala
    11/30/09

    @Nathan Obbards: If you have twins, they could both be named * and be called Star and Splat.
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    11/30/09

    @jakemg: Maybe I'll change my last name to # and when he becomes a doctor, he'll be Dr. Octothorpe.
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    Image of jakemg jakemg
    11/30/09

    @lolbrbnvm: @Nathan Obbards: I think it would have to be Asterisk. ;)
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    11/30/09

    @lolbrbnvm: Except, I showed her the same snopes article and she showed me the class roster. La-a was clearly listed there. I have no reason to be making that up.
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    Image of fuchikoma fuchikoma
    11/27/09

    In reply to You Don't Need a TiVo Anymore
    I've never needed a Tivo - who would pay to use a VCR?

    While PCs have long been able to act as DVRs, for a scheduled event, if you're already doing something on your PC, you're going to drop frames capturing, and it will effectively make your PC unusable while recording. It would also fill up your hard disks very fast.

    I just subscribe to a satellite provider that has the option of PVR receivers - that way I can record what I want when I want, even on 2 channels at once now, for no extra fee, and skip commercials instantly, pause and rewind live TV, etc... all the usual features.

    ...but as I watch less and less TV, I find the occasional Bittorrent download isn't exactly squashing my net connection either. It's often neccesary anyway as the networks love to play shell games with their broadcast slots.
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    Image of blash blash
    11/27/09

    In reply to You Don't Need a TiVo Anymore
    Adapt or die. TiVo had a good product and then decided to do nothing while the cash rolled in and the good times rolled away.

    The industry is moving from time-shifting to on-demand: being able to effectively circumvent what time a specific show aired by recording it has been replaced by not caring at all what the original show time was, since you can just get it on-demand. TiVo should have got itself into the on-demand business while its profits were high - imagine if Hulu was originally created by TiVo or if TiVo had made a deal to somehow get (over the TV line or the internet line) on-demand for it's service, i.e. "missed the show AND forgot to record? We still got it for you!"

    But TiVo decided that the industry wasn't going to fundamentally change with the Internet so they decided to just refine their product - and now they're suffering for it.
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    Image of Noobs-R-Us Noobs-R-Us
    11/27/09

    @blash: The sad part of it is that it's still not too late for them but the idiots running the place are so dumb that they are impotent.
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    Image of Ava Ava
    11/26/09

    In reply to You Don't Need a TiVo Anymore
    I love my Tivo, but the pervasive advertising is a real problem. Seriously, ads every time I pause a program?

    I can understand being subjected to advertising for something that I get for free, but Tivo is already getting money from me AND from the marketing research companies they sell my viewing data to.

    This is the main reason I am looking for an alternative when it comes time to upgrade.
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    Jason Chen promoted this comment Ava was starred Ava was unstarred
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    11/26/09

    @Ava: pervasive? you are damn picky. They've gotta have the least pervasive ads of all. Now Comcast's ads on the guide are pervasive.
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    Jason Chen promoted this comment crsrc was starred crsrc was unstarred
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    11/26/09

    @crsrc: I don't find Comcast's ads distracting at all.
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    Jason Chen promoted this comment appletoad was starred appletoad was unstarred
    Image of Ava Ava
    11/27/09

    @crsrc: "pervasive? you are damn picky."

    Well, yes, that's true. But I don't have Comcast digital or a cable box, so I don't see Comcast ads at all.

    I don't watch live TV, only Tivo, so the Tivo's UI is the most in my face. The ads during pausing lock the system for a few seconds while they load, and once there, cover about a third of the screen. Yes, I can clear them, but I shouldn't have to do that every time I hit pause.

    The ads that pop up at the end of a recording also lock my system for about 10 seconds while loading.
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