BWAHAHAHA. Look at all you Poors just lapping up the rent-to-own bullshit plan from El-Cheapo TMo.
What's the matter? Can't afford an iPhone?
I'm really sick and tired of hearing all this fucking iPhone bashing from people too fucking poor to buy an iPhone. Just because life took a dump on you doesn't give you the right to take a dump on the iPhone. Admit it - the iPhone is the greatest phone ever invented (and I include the phone that Alistair Gramm Bell invented).
"WAAAH! I'm so fucking poor! WAAAAH! I can't pay my phone bill with WELFARE! WAAAH! Obama won't buy me iPhones with his stimulus bill! WAAAAH! Pay me for being a Poor!"
All you people who bitch about iPhones are just Poors and you deserve to be shot. #tmobileprojectdark
@AmphetamineCrown: Maybe they cut some type of deal to rent it from att? I hope thats what this "project dark" is about, maybe to bring service to dead areas?
You know T-mobile has offered phones on installment plans like that for awhile. Not something that most people take advantage of though. In fact it was pretty much scoffed at when they first launched it. #tmobileprojectdark
@krische: See that would be part of the whole project black roll out, more coverage with higher speeds in more areas. Might not be what you need now but odds are it will be. #tmobileprojectdark
@eljeffe666: Why wouldn't it happen? Lots of people use T-Mobile with their iPhone, myself included. I think Apple should bring the iPhone to every carrier, or at least the big 4. Competition = good #tmobileprojectdark
@BK Beezy: It's not your fault you don't know what you are talking about--frankly most people believe the same crap you seem to have swallowed. Let's review the bidding. AT&T = GSM/HSPA in 850 MHz, 1.9 GHz, LTE in 700 MHz (planned). T-Mo= GSM/HSPA in 1.9 GHz, 1.7/2.1 GHz. Sprint = CDMA in 2.1 GHz, WiMax in 2.5 GHz. Verizon = CDMA/Rev. A in 850 MHz, 1.9 GHz, LTE in 700 MHz (planned).
Looks like it would really take some major redesign to "bring the iPhone to every carrier," no? If every AT&T customer with an iPhone could--and did--take their iPhone to T-Mo, they would shit, because the iPhone won't talk to their high speed network at 1.7/2.1 GHz, and if you think AT&T has capacity issues with the iPhone, it would absolutely cripple T-Mo's 1.9 GHz network--T-Mo doesn't have anywhere near the spectrum of AT&T.
The Apple exclusive with AT&T was *Apple's* choice. They calculated they would get more money out of working with AT&T than any other carrier. That IS competition. #tmobileprojectdark
@nachobel: Actually, it is. This is real live RF engineering, not that pretend software engineering you probably do. Besides, if it was so cheap, why didn't they do it? You really think you are smarter than Steve Jobs? You really think they wouldn't have given themselves broader options if they could have consistent with their cost structure? The air interfaces are different, the radios are different, the protocols are different. You are talking about completely different devices from a radio perspective. Why do you think there are so few "world" phones? Because it is too fucking expensive to put additional RF layers in the phone and most people won't tolerate the added cost.
@zoolook: Yeah, that is why the Curve for AT&T is the 8300 and the Curve for Verizon is the 8330. Try taking your 8330 and activating it on AT&T. Let me say this slowly. It. Is. A. Different. Phone. With. The. Same. Name.
*Runding: You really think Jobs didn't make a decision on the strategic issue of incorporating incorporating additional RF circuitry to have a credible threat at portability for the iPhone?
*I wanted to reply, but seriously didn't want my name associated with promoting your post, even in this limited context. #tmobileprojectdark
TMO kicks ATT's ass in NYmetro area service already, and that's pretty much all that matters to me. Their customer service is top notch, as good as Apple's, and their rates are solid as is. Make it better? You're fuckin right I'll have another slice of cake.
@dankicksass: Geez Gizmodo, what a way to cover a week old rumor. You guys have certainly been napping if you have finally just gotten around to posting this bit of "news".
For those of you who only read Gizmodo, the deets on Project Dark are as follows.
1 - T-mo will be pushing that 21Mbps HSPA+ data service they just test deployed in Philadelphia, nationwide. Speculation has the nationwide roll out of T-mo's 21Mbps HSPA+ to be largely complete by the halfway point in 2010. So pretty much if you live in a larger metropolitan region already covered under T-mo's network, by next July you should be able to take advantage of the new speeds.
2 - As part of Project Dark (or Project Black, depending on the source), roll out of their 21Mbps HSPA+ network will accompany a new all-you-can-eat price plan that includes voice, data, SMS and MMS. Speculation once again has the price plan firmly set at $50/month.
3 - Finally, Project Dark will be launching with new 3.5G smartphones outfitted to take full advantage of 21Mbps HSPA+. The initial line-up of 21Mbps HSPA+ smartphones include two Android phones, a Blackberry and Nokia's new Maemo 5 powered tablet:
Blackberry 9700 (Bold 2)
Motorola CLIQ
Samsung Behold II
Nokia N900
Super, new network speeds, super low rate plan and a handful of phones that people actually care about. If true, T-Mobile has a whole lot of win in it's immediate future. Only thing missing so far, is the inclusion of Archos' new Android phone, based off the Archos 5 Media Tablet, set to premier in January at CES. Now that's a phone that I can get excited about.
I dig T-Mobile in black and white. Reminds me of when Superman was killed and returned with that b&w suit.
on topic-T-Mobile getting 21Mbps 3G would be mucho appreciado por favor cinco quintera. grande-but nix the whole rumor of those janky Nokia and Samsung handsets especially since Nokia isn't loving the 'droid
@veronykah: Um, I said 21Mbps as per the rumor of Project Black/Dark. I'm well aware that T-Mobile has 3G, I had a G1 for a bit. The expansion/rollout is going quite well. #wireless
@se5k: Yeah, I really don't get the article's pointed slam of Nokia. The 72 is going to be a nice refresh of the 71 hardware, and the 900 looks shit-hot.
Am I the only one hyped for the N900 to drop?
Nokia has made solid phones for a long time now.
I was more than happy at Tmo since sidekick color and left for a far worse experience at ATT with the iphone.
The N900 will bring me back to Tmo and there will be punch and pie!
@amg206: I'm with you. I was on the fence about getting a carrier-bound 900 (as I'm on AT&T at the moment) but with no AT&T-band version announced I was debating transferring my number, but with the announcement of Dark/Black? Yeah, I'm in. I'm very, very in. To be honest, there just aren't other phones that do as much for me as this piece of Maemo-packing pie.
I wouldn't mind an N900.
I do, however, mind parting with a CRAPload of my money. I think the Giz is sayin that the Samsung phones are generally pretty boring, and the decent Nokia phones are either boring and affordable, or ridiculously expensive to obtain.
I think most of the Giz-gadgeteers here are sensible folk who want affordable tech.
@nakmario000001002003: I think the expectation is that since T-Mobile will subsidise the phone, we might see it bow in the US at a somewhat reasonable price. But yeah, the unlocked price is a kick in the balls.
First, loosing the Hero to Sprint was an unforgivable mistake. Second, no one who knows technology gives a shit about Nokia, and the only reason why they're the number one cellphone maker in the world is because they make cheap phones that carriers give away for free (and thus "sell" the most). Does Nokia have some great phones? Sprinkled in there yeah, but it certainly isn't the iPhone, and it damn well isn't the HTC Hero.
For Project Black to work, they really do have to have that 50 dollar unlimited internet/text and minute plan. Why? Because sprint has Unlimited internet/text, and 450 minutes for 60 bucks, and damn near every virtual cellphone network is going everything unlimited for 50 bucks. Additionally they have to throw their FULL SUPPORT onto smartphone platforms like Android, Blackberry, and Windows Mobile (I don't like it, but its better than Symbian), and not just the MyTouch and whatever Google branded HTC phones the company manages to get their hands on.
And finally, they need to find a new Sidekick. The Sidekick sells gangbusters yes, but either T-Mo is going to have to seriously push Microsoft to make serious revisions to their product, or find someone who will make something similar but of better quality with a better OS.
10/18/09
What's the matter? Can't afford an iPhone?
I'm really sick and tired of hearing all this fucking iPhone bashing from people too fucking poor to buy an iPhone. Just because life took a dump on you doesn't give you the right to take a dump on the iPhone. Admit it - the iPhone is the greatest phone ever invented (and I include the phone that Alistair Gramm Bell invented).
"WAAAH! I'm so fucking poor! WAAAAH! I can't pay my phone bill with WELFARE! WAAAH! Obama won't buy me iPhones with his stimulus bill! WAAAAH! Pay me for being a Poor!"
All you people who bitch about iPhones are just Poors and you deserve to be shot. #tmobileprojectdark
10/18/09
"Hmm." Looks around. "Who are all these people?" "Weekend crowd must be from the 'burbs." #tmobileprojectdark
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Right now for my area its totally dead for Tmobile #tmobileprojectdark
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Thats my hope at least #tmobileprojectdark
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Hopefully that is what they are planning on doing. #tmobileprojectdark
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Looks like it would really take some major redesign to "bring the iPhone to every carrier," no? If every AT&T customer with an iPhone could--and did--take their iPhone to T-Mo, they would shit, because the iPhone won't talk to their high speed network at 1.7/2.1 GHz, and if you think AT&T has capacity issues with the iPhone, it would absolutely cripple T-Mo's 1.9 GHz network--T-Mo doesn't have anywhere near the spectrum of AT&T.
The Apple exclusive with AT&T was *Apple's* choice. They calculated they would get more money out of working with AT&T than any other carrier. That IS competition. #tmobileprojectdark
10/17/09
Competition = good.
Good = not company policy.
therefore
Competition = not company policy.
This works with a variety of other situations.
--Google Voice app on iPhone = good.
--Hulu on Boxee = good.
-- Easy to understand instructions on IKEA-knock-off furniture that doesn't rely solely on friggin' ambiguous not-to-scale diagrams = good.
Seriously. I'm gonna break this friggin' end table. #tmobileprojectdark
10/18/09
Like, super duper hard. #tmobileprojectdark
10/18/09
@zoolook: Yeah, that is why the Curve for AT&T is the 8300 and the Curve for Verizon is the 8330. Try taking your 8330 and activating it on AT&T. Let me say this slowly. It. Is. A. Different. Phone. With. The. Same. Name.
Got it? #tmobileprojectdark
10/18/09
*I wanted to reply, but seriously didn't want my name associated with promoting your post, even in this limited context. #tmobileprojectdark
10/15/09
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For those of you who only read Gizmodo, the deets on Project Dark are as follows.
1 - T-mo will be pushing that 21Mbps HSPA+ data service they just test deployed in Philadelphia, nationwide. Speculation has the nationwide roll out of T-mo's 21Mbps HSPA+ to be largely complete by the halfway point in 2010. So pretty much if you live in a larger metropolitan region already covered under T-mo's network, by next July you should be able to take advantage of the new speeds.
2 - As part of Project Dark (or Project Black, depending on the source), roll out of their 21Mbps HSPA+ network will accompany a new all-you-can-eat price plan that includes voice, data, SMS and MMS. Speculation once again has the price plan firmly set at $50/month.
3 - Finally, Project Dark will be launching with new 3.5G smartphones outfitted to take full advantage of 21Mbps HSPA+. The initial line-up of 21Mbps HSPA+ smartphones include two Android phones, a Blackberry and Nokia's new Maemo 5 powered tablet:
Blackberry 9700 (Bold 2)
Motorola CLIQ
Samsung Behold II
Nokia N900
Super, new network speeds, super low rate plan and a handful of phones that people actually care about. If true, T-Mobile has a whole lot of win in it's immediate future. Only thing missing so far, is the inclusion of Archos' new Android phone, based off the Archos 5 Media Tablet, set to premier in January at CES. Now that's a phone that I can get excited about.
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on topic-T-Mobile getting 21Mbps 3G would be mucho appreciado por favor cinco quintera. grande-but nix the whole rumor of those janky Nokia and Samsung handsets especially since Nokia isn't loving the 'droid
10/15/09
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What is their 3g now?
I have an old pearl so I don't get to experience it anyway... #wireless
10/14/09
What also has been known for a long time is that its the Nokia n9000 which is anticipated and has received lots of interest from people on this site.
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Nokia has made solid phones for a long time now.
I was more than happy at Tmo since sidekick color and left for a far worse experience at ATT with the iphone.
The N900 will bring me back to Tmo and there will be punch and pie!
10/15/09
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I do, however, mind parting with a CRAPload of my money. I think the Giz is sayin that the Samsung phones are generally pretty boring, and the decent Nokia phones are either boring and affordable, or ridiculously expensive to obtain.
I think most of the Giz-gadgeteers here are sensible folk who want affordable tech.
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For Project Black to work, they really do have to have that 50 dollar unlimited internet/text and minute plan. Why? Because sprint has Unlimited internet/text, and 450 minutes for 60 bucks, and damn near every virtual cellphone network is going everything unlimited for 50 bucks. Additionally they have to throw their FULL SUPPORT onto smartphone platforms like Android, Blackberry, and Windows Mobile (I don't like it, but its better than Symbian), and not just the MyTouch and whatever Google branded HTC phones the company manages to get their hands on.
And finally, they need to find a new Sidekick. The Sidekick sells gangbusters yes, but either T-Mo is going to have to seriously push Microsoft to make serious revisions to their product, or find someone who will make something similar but of better quality with a better OS.
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