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    Image of fuchikoma fuchikoma
    12/01/09

    In reply to Oh Gee, Blu-ray and DVD Flipper Discs Seems Like Fantabulous Idea
    I have some old Warner DVDs that have widescreen on one side, and 4:3 on the other. I thought DVD/Blu-Ray hybrids had been proposed a dozen times since Blu-Ray came out anyway? Sounds like a fine idea to me if it won't drive the price up. Now I have Blu-Rays that I can't lend to some people because they want to see the movies but only have a DVD player.

    Double-sided laserdiscs were sometimes done as basically two discs glued together, and as temperature and humidity changed, they would flex, and separate, corrupting the information on them. A CD sized disc should be much more robust though, and better made in the first place.
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    Image of Alluvian Alluvian
    12/02/09

    @fuchikoma: There are two competing interests here, the people who want to charge you for ondemand like netflix, apple, etc... and then the cable/phone companies that have to foot the data bill.

    We are already seeing data caps, and more are coming before they go away. If the datacaps become the standard, then the on demand dream will be just a dream.

    I know I don't want to pay twice to watch everything, once for the content, once for the cap overages.
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    12/02/09

    @Alluvian: This is a story about DVD/BD hybrids, so there is no data cap, on-demand video, or data bill to worry about unless you mean a small bit of content on BD Live features, but I really haven't seen anyone make heavy use of that yet.
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    Image of Lizard_King Lizard_King
    12/01/09

    In reply to Oh Gee, Blu-ray and DVD Flipper Discs Seems Like Fantabulous Idea
    This sounds perfect. I already have a couple of Blurays that came bundled with a DVD without significant markup ($2 more for Up).

    Hey, it's the only way I can buy the BR and still play it on my Macbook, right?
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    Image of Bokusatsu_Tenshi Bokusatsu_Tenshi
    12/01/09

    In reply to Oh Gee, Blu-ray and DVD Flipper Discs Seems Like Fantabulous Idea
    DVD had this double sided thing going on a while ago.
    I think it failed because I never saw it ever since.

    Wouldn't work for me because I tend to leave DVDs around, so I need a side to put it on.
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    Image of OCEntertainment OCEntertainment
    12/01/09

    @Bokusatsu_Tenshi: Yeah, but see then you face the perilous conundrum: which side? Do you place it with the data side down, knowing it may rub against minor impurities in your smooth table but that's all it could touch, or do you leave it data side up, safely aware from the table's nicks and scratches, but vulnerable to airborne threats like dust, sunlight, and cats?

    I told them they should have made DVDs out of adamantium, but engineers never listen to me.
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    Edited by OCEntertainment at 12/01/09 1:41 PM OCEntertainment was starred OCEntertainment was unstarred
    Image of fluidexistence fluidexistence
    12/01/09

    @OCEntertainment: Oh, they listen, OC. They listen... and they writhe, and they seethe. A guttural noise of pure contempt rises from the shadows of their cleanly-designed souls, and they plot.
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    12/01/09

    @fluidexistence: ...

    .....Shit.
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    Image of Noobs-R-Us Noobs-R-Us
    12/01/09

    In reply to Oh Gee, Blu-ray and DVD Flipper Discs Seems Like Fantabulous Idea
    First of all, does this mean that the BR side will only have a single layer?

    I don't think this is difficult to do. All they had to do was use a 2 sided BR disc and just burn one side with the lower resolution DVD pits. Or am I mistaken?

    "The release will mark the first time the Bourne trilogy, one of the highest grossing action movie franchises in history, is available individually in Blu-ray's™ renowned perfect picture and purest digital sound."

    Is this an outright lie? I thought the Bourne BR discs were already out?
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    Edited by Noobs-R-Us at 12/01/09 1:05 PM Noobs-R-Us was starred Noobs-R-Us was unstarred
    Image of Hello Mister Walrus Hello Mister Walrus
    12/01/09

    In reply to Oh Gee, Blu-ray and DVD Flipper Discs Seems Like Fantabulous Idea
    Why not?
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    Image of Canoehead Canoehead
    12/01/09

    In reply to Oh Gee, Blu-ray and DVD Flipper Discs Seems Like Fantabulous Idea
    I'm not just taking crazy pills, right? HD-DVD already did this?

    Truthfully, it is not a bad idea. In addition to what Kaiser-Machead wrote, it might appeal to folks planning to buy a Blu-Ray but who haven't yet, though that seems a pretty narrow segment, especially now that you can find Blu under $100.
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    Image of Voyou_Charmant Voyou_Charmant
    12/01/09

    In reply to Oh Gee, Blu-ray and DVD Flipper Discs Seems Like Fantabulous Idea
    I actually don't think this is a terrible idea from a marketing standpoint.

    I don't buy Blu-ray discs because they are still too expensive, though I have a PS3, but if the price were to come down......

    You see. If the industry adopted a "flipper" disc only standard of production/stopped selling DVD only discs you would see a price drop on Blue-ray discs thanks to production/demand numbers, and you would likely see an increase in Blue-ray player sales as more and more people will say "eh, might as well," which would likely bring up production numbers/down cost for Blue-ray players.

    So, aside from painting an inaccurate picture of a stupid product, why don't you tell us why this is actually a "terrible" idea. And yes, you do concede that the idea is as terrible as you want to say it is, but you still run it down as being absurd.
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    Edited by Voyou_Charmant at 12/01/09 12:06 PM Voyou_Charmant was starred Voyou_Charmant was unstarred
    Image of bornonbord bornonbord
    12/01/09

    @Voyou_Charmant: They should have just done it straight away. Why did they bother releasing blu-ray only? It would have gotten people buying the discs waaaay sooner
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    Image of UGAdawg UGAdawg
    12/01/09

    @Voyou_Charmant: The prices have really come down on BR discs. I picked up a couple last night on Amazon for $10 each. Amazon is the place to go for BR anyway.
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    Image of opanitch opanitch
    12/01/09

    @bornonbord: now it's too late... HD streaming is a reality and the point in buying another device to hook up to my TV as well as the price of all the discs is totally not worth it.

    Netflix streaming FTW
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    Image of Voyou_Charmant Voyou_Charmant
    12/01/09

    @UGAdawg: That was almost certainly for the black Friday through cyber Monday and existential Tuesday sales.

    I would have no complaint if I could pick them up for $10 a piece. I'm really basing affordability on the prices at places like Target and Best Buy.
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    Image of CocktimusPrime CocktimusPrime
    12/01/09

    @opanitch: This isn't good enough for everyone. Every HD stream I've seen uses lossy audio codecs (rather than the superior lossless or uncompressed that is found on nearly all of my BDs). Also, with my ISP capping monthly usage at 250 GB, I don't want to kill that by streaming a few movies. Not to mention all of the additional stuff available on the disc (most Blu-rays are in the 25+ GB range, yet the streams are less than 8? - what gives). With a decent A/V setup, I certainly do not want to sacrifice quality.
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    Voyou_Charmant promoted this comment CocktimusPrime was starred CocktimusPrime was unstarred
    Image of CocktimusPrime CocktimusPrime
    12/01/09

    @Voyou_Charmant: For the record, I just picked up about 4 movies at BB for $10 a piece. The have sales that rotate through titles, so if you pay attention to them you can usually find good deals on Bluray media in stores as well (just don't expect new releases to cost $10).
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    Image of Voyou_Charmant Voyou_Charmant
    12/01/09

    @CocktimusPrime: I'll have to keep my eyes open.
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    Image of Voyou_Charmant Voyou_Charmant
    12/01/09

    @CocktimusPrime: Comcast likes to destroy my Netflix experience. I can barely watch an episode of a TV show without it adjusting, due to a slowed internet connection, at least once.
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    Image of CocktimusPrime CocktimusPrime
    12/01/09

    @Voyou_Charmant: Agreed. I love (joking) Comcast. I enjoy watching movies enough that streaming them could easily put me over the 250G cap in a given month (not every month, but I could see it occasionally).

    @pokeyg23: True, they are out there and "affordable", however my comment was to not expect to see them at $10 (that's just a bit unlikely at this point).
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    Image of UGAdawg UGAdawg
    12/01/09

    @Voyou_Charmant: Not necessarily. I got some good films earlier this year that were pretty cheap on Amazon. If you are going to buy one at Target then yeah I'd expect to pay a bit more. I went there last night looking for a flick and didn't find one that was reasonable enough. Plus the selection blew chunks. I was there since I saw 'The Wizard of Oz' as the deluxe box set disc set but I couldn't find it when I went last night. I ended up going online and saw what was priced at 60 something at Target for about 42 on Amazon.
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    Image of opanitch opanitch
    12/02/09

    @CocktimusPrime: there's always such things as higher compression video codecs and along with all the additional content, that's probably what adds up to the 25 GB on your discs.

    I'm also not that familiar with the Netflix streaming (as it's my friends account, not mine), so wouldn't the special features be available as well since they are offering basically the same thing except you don't have to wait for the physical disc?

    I'm also not an expert with the difference between lossless and lossy audio. I know a decent bit, but really, I'm not going to be able to tell the difference, and I have a decent A/V setup.

    Currently, I don't have to worry about a download cap, so yeah, I can see your point there, but it's not going to be that way forever...
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    Image of Kaiser-Machead Kaiser-Machead
    12/01/09

    In reply to Oh Gee, Blu-ray and DVD Flipper Discs Seems Like Fantabulous Idea
    Since Blu-Ray likely has a snowball's chance in hell to replace regular DVD's in the near future, it might as well piggyback on them to get people to stay interested in the format, and it's really the only way, other than simply packaging two separate discs in one case, to make a single purchase for a movie and be able to go between your hi-def home theater set up in the living room, to your standard def DVD setup in, say, your bed room.
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    Edited by Kaiser-Machead at 12/01/09 12:00 PM Kaiser-Machead was starred Kaiser-Machead was unstarred
    Image of CocktimusPrime CocktimusPrime
    12/01/09

    @Kaiser-Machead: With the continuing drop in price of Blu-ray players, isn't it almost as easy to buy a cheap player for your bedroom or anyplace else? For that matter, you can probably take the earlier gen units off the hands of an early adopter for relatively cheap. I plan to upgrade my player soon, and will probably gift my old one to my parents or save it for the time when I eventually add a tv to the bedroom.
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    Kaiser-Machead promoted this comment CocktimusPrime was starred CocktimusPrime was unstarred
    Image of Kaiser-Machead Kaiser-Machead
    12/01/09

    @CocktimusPrime: Problem with that is that regular DVD players are even cheaper, and then there's the issue of there not being any significant benefit to upgrading to Blu-Ray if your secondary setup is not particularly substantial, like, say a 19" flat panel that you keep in your bedroom for more modest watching (also consider some of those integrated DVD+flat panel sets that are out there).

    Unless you can clearly tell the difference, or you have a home system that's begging for 1080p goodness, going Blu-Ray is not worth it.
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    Edited by Kaiser-Machead at 12/01/09 12:50 PM Kaiser-Machead was starred Kaiser-Machead was unstarred
    Image of AkkiRonin AkkiRonin
    12/01/09

    In reply to Oh Gee, Blu-ray and DVD Flipper Discs Seems Like Fantabulous Idea
    From the vendors perspective it's a win. A single format to cover both audiences. Less to manufacture, less to shelf. As long as the price isn't two different then the cheaper of the two formats it's only drawback is less extras.
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    Image of Bertone77 Bertone77
    12/01/09

    In reply to Oh Gee, Blu-ray and DVD Flipper Discs Seems Like Fantabulous Idea
    I told them I wanted a Blu-ray on one side with a Laser-disc on the other, but noooooo they don't listen to me.....
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    Image of Bertone77 Bertone77
    12/01/09

    @Bertone77:
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    Image of bornonbord bornonbord
    12/01/09

    In reply to Oh Gee, Blu-ray and DVD Flipper Discs Seems Like Fantabulous Idea
    Wow, they really blew the opportunity for an HD release of the '96 version of Flipper.
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    Image of OCEntertainment OCEntertainment
    12/01/09

    In reply to Oh Gee, Blu-ray and DVD Flipper Discs Seems Like Fantabulous Idea
    Saw the same thing with special edition albums that featured the music on the CD side and special video features on the DVD side. Unfortunately, not all CD or DVD players played them. Here's hoping this doesn't suffer from that problem.

    And the "future proof" argument really doesn't work unless Blu-Ray actually displaces DVDs. Frankly I'm having a hard time seeing it happen. Blu-Ray feels more like a premium brand DVD than the next iteration.
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    Image of rcberg3 rcberg3
    12/01/09

    @OCEntertainment: that was how everyone viewed DVDs. wait a couple of years.
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    Image of OCEntertainment OCEntertainment
    12/01/09

    @rcberg3: DVDs offered a legitimate increase in longevity and a substantial increase in features folks actually cared about (no need to rewind, scene selection, pausing without tearing up the tape). You'll be waiting a lot longer than a couple of years if your sell to the common person is "It's higher resolution!" and "You can watch the movie with Christopher Nolan! He'll pause it when he has to pee! Twice!"

    We care. They don't.
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    Image of Voltanis Voltanis
    12/01/09

    @OCEntertainment: I was just about to mention those DualDisc abominations. With all of the technical issues those had getting to work in some players, I'm glad they never really took off.

    Plus, what about damage? If you were to accidentally scratch one side, similar to marking the label side of a DVD, does the other side of the disc get rendered unplayable as well?
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    OCEntertainment promoted this comment Voltanis was starred Voltanis was unstarred
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    12/01/09

    @Voltanis: Well, that really depends on the durability of the disc and the severity of the scratch. Some marks on one side can damage data on the other, but it's not guaranteed. In any case, a DualDisc wouldn't require any more be-careful-with-your-crap treatment than any other disc.

    ...Even if there is more to ruin.

    *mumble*let me back up my discs, we won't have that problem, will we*grumble*
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    Image of Nick Nick
    12/01/09

    In reply to Oh Gee, Blu-ray and DVD Flipper Discs Seems Like Fantabulous Idea
    or how about vinyl on one side a laser disc on the other?
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    Image of saraos saraos
    12/01/09

    @Nick: and the b-sides?
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    Image of Nick Nick
    12/01/09

    @saraos: nobody listened to the b-side anyways.
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    Image of skierpage skierpage
    09/23/09

    In reply to Kensington HD Universal Dock Converts Laptops Into Desktops with One Single Connection
    I don't trust glitchy software to send my video and audio to external connectors, so I use the Lenovo mini-dock that actually replicates Lenovo ports. It's the main reason I bought a Thinkpad, it seems other manufacturers are going to these USB software solutions.
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    Image of Noobs-R-Us Noobs-R-Us
    07/20/09

    In reply to Universal Hopes You'll Actually Watch Blu-ray Special Features If They're iPhone Apps
    Hey Universal, here's an idea that will help sell more Blu-rays. Make them cheaper! Wow, now that's a novel idea!
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    Image of Xeno Xeno
    07/20/09

    @Noobs-R-Us: How does that rape the consumer? I don't think it fits in with their business plan.
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