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    Microsoft's Pseudo Sudo Patent

    Beware: UNIX Time to Read 1234567890 On Friday the 13th

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    Image of ghmlco ghmlco
    11/16/09

    In reply to Microsoft's Pseudo Sudo Patent
    So then how is this that different from OS X, which for years prompted you to sign in as an admin to do updates and installs and other restricted items?

    Simply presenting a list instead of a name/password dialog? That's patentable? #microsoftsudopatent
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    jepzilla promoted this comment ghmlco was starred ghmlco was unstarred
    Image of jepzilla jepzilla
    11/16/09

    @ghmlco: Patents are not about functionality, they are about implementation. Since the origin of the modern patent system, people have been at work, finding alternate, non-patented, implementations of useful ideas. And then patenting those alternate implementations.

    A lot of people get hung up on OS X (and gksudo). But even though the functionality appears nearly identical, the implementation of that functionality differs. Neither OS X, nor gksudo implement the elevation functionality in a way that is covered by the UAC patent. Same functionality, but different implementation.

    The important thing to remember is that the abstract of a patent is only to help you understand what the 'invention' is about, it has no legal weight. The important part a patent is its claims, and those tend to be very specific. I personally am not a fan of the patent system as it exists today, but at the same time I would estimate that 90% of patent hate would go away if people would learn to read the claims, not the abstracts. #microsoftsudopatent
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    Image of Software_Goddess Software_Goddess
    11/16/09

    In reply to Microsoft's Pseudo Sudo Patent
    I think I need to talk to my lawyer before I comment on this... #microsoftsudopatent
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    Image of tehsquish tehsquish
    11/16/09

    @Software_Goddess: This comment is a breach of the "comment no competition" clause of our contract.

    You're not allowed to make funnier comments than myself, you'll be hearing from my lawyer. #microsoftsudopatent
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    AmishJohn promoted this comment tehsquish was starred tehsquish was unstarred
    Image of AmishJohn AmishJohn
    11/16/09

    @tehsquish - Still plays Ultima Online: I tried, but got a 'Divide By Zero' error... #microsoftsudopatent
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    Image of Jagster Jagster
    11/16/09

    In reply to Microsoft's Pseudo Sudo Patent
    So... turns out all the hate comments made towards Microsoft should now be turned in reverse and directed at the Linux community for copying Microsoft?

    "...there is a Linux tool called PolicyKit... created after the (Microsoft) patent was filed." #microsoftsudopatent
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    John Herrman promoted this comment Jagster was starred Jagster was unstarred
    Image of John Herrman John Herrman
    11/16/09

    @Jagster: Filed, but not made public. Point was, no fault for MS. #microsoftsudopatent
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    Image of Complexified Complexified
    11/16/09

    In reply to Microsoft's Pseudo Sudo Patent
    All your Sudo are belong to us.

    -Signed
    Microsoft. #microsoftsudopatent
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    Mobius promoted this comment Complexified was starred Complexified was unstarred
    Image of Mobius Mobius
    11/16/09

    @Complexified: "No, go invent things yourself, Microsoft!"

    "Sudo All your Sudo are belong to us."

    "Okay." #microsoftsudopatent
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    Image of Unionhawk Unionhawk
    11/16/09

    In reply to Microsoft's Pseudo Sudo Patent
    Basically, they patented the current UAC system. #microsoftsudopatent
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    Nathan Obbards promoted this comment Unionhawk was starred Unionhawk was unstarred
    Image of STiger STiger
    11/16/09

    @Unionhawk: Are you SURE you want to patent the current UAC system?

    Yes/No #microsoftsudopatent
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    Nathan Obbards promoted this comment STiger was starred STiger was unstarred
    Image of Slyd3z Slyd3z
    11/16/09

    In reply to Microsoft's Pseudo Sudo Patent
    Still one of my favorite xkcd comics. #microsoftsudopatent
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    Image of Twanzio Twanzio
    11/16/09

    @Slyd3z: MMMmmm... Sudo Sandwich... #microsoftsudopatent
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    AmishJohn promoted this comment Twanzio was starred Twanzio was unstarred
    Image of AmishJohn AmishJohn
    11/16/09

    @Twanzio: That's what I get if I let my wife cook... #microsoftsudopatent
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    Image of NorwoodIsMyHero NorwoodIsMyHero
    11/16/09

    In reply to Microsoft's Pseudo Sudo Patent
    Reading the original post is good for some chuckles. Several of the commenters pointed out this very thing, yet were yelled down by the trolls.
    Gizmodo's mantra sometimes seems to be:

    =IF("Story about Microsoft"="Bad PR for them", "Don't fact Check", "Fact Check") #microsoftsudopatent
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    Nathan Obbards promoted this comment NorwoodIsMyHero was starred NorwoodIsMyHero was unstarred
    Image of relyk5 relyk5
    11/16/09

    @NorwoodIsMyHero: gross.. why are you using an excel if?! I'd much rather it be the following:

    ("story about ms" == "bad pr") ? "dont fact check" : "fact check";
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    Edited by relyk5 at 11/16/09 12:07 PM relyk5 was starred relyk5 was unstarred
    Image of NorwoodIsMyHero NorwoodIsMyHero
    11/16/09

    @relyk5: Because:=IF("Your Spreadsheet Software in Finance" <"Excel", "Laughed out of the building","Treated normally")I've yet to see a spreadsheet in banking that wasn't natively Excel, with the exception of database tables. #microsoftsudopatent

    Edit:
    Haha. the posting script/language/whatever doesn't let me use the normal "not equal to" Excel, hence the goofy looking post
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    Xagest promoted this comment Edited by NorwoodIsMyHero at 11/16/09 12:09 PM NorwoodIsMyHero was starred NorwoodIsMyHero was unstarred
    Image of gallahad gallahad
    11/16/09

    @relyk5: I think there may be an efficiency improvement in this:

    while (MicrosoftStory() == "bad pr") {
    DontFactCheck();
    }

    A corollary would be:

    while (AppleStory()) {
    if (random() = 0.5) {
    AppleFanboy();
    } else {
    AppleHater();
    }
    } #microsoftsudopatent
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    ninjagin promoted this comment gallahad was starred gallahad was unstarred
    Image of Xagest Xagest
    11/16/09

    @NorwoodIsMyHero:
    It's HTML. To get < >, use " &lt;" and " &gt;" #microsoftsudopatent
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    Xagest was starred Xagest was unstarred
    Image of DeeJayQueue DeeJayQueue
    11/16/09

    In reply to Microsoft's Pseudo Sudo Patent
    so for Linux it's:
    -Make me a sandwich.
    no.
    -Sudo Make me a sandwich.
    ok.

    and for Windows it's:
    -Can I have a sandwich?
    No, go ask your mom if it's ok. #microsoftsudopatent
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    Nathan Obbards promoted this comment DeeJayQueue was starred DeeJayQueue was unstarred
    Image of MarcusMaximus MarcusMaximus
    11/16/09

    @DeeJayQueue: I think it's closer to

    -Can I have a sandwich?
    No.
    -But Mom said it's ok.
    ok, fine, have a damn sandwich.
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    met2art promoted this comment Edited by MarcusMaximus at 11/16/09 12:15 PM MarcusMaximus was starred MarcusMaximus was unstarred
    Image of Jagster Jagster
    11/16/09

    @DeeJayQueue: More like:
    (Windows)
    - Make me a sandwich
    No, I can't do that for you.

    But.... here is a list of people that I can make a sandwich for and if you know their password I will let you impersonate them and then gladly make a sandwich for you.

    (Linux)
    - Make me a sandwich
    No, I can't do that for you.
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    Canoehead promoted this comment Edited by Jagster at 11/16/09 12:51 PM Jagster was starred Jagster was unstarred
    Image of el bryanto el bryanto
    11/16/09

    In reply to Microsoft's Pseudo Sudo Patent
    "which prompts users to switch to a higher-level user account when they hit against a permissions barrier"

    So it's basically exactly like sudo except with user account switching? And here I was thinking companies like Microsoft should be focused on making stuff you know.. simpler. #microsoftsudopatent
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    Image of Jagster Jagster
    11/16/09

    @el bryanto: sudo does not prompt you to switch users AT ALL. How do you get that this is exactly like sudo? The patent is on auto detecting when escalated permissions are needed to run a command and to provide a list of accounts that have the required permissions. Sudo does not do anything like this. Comprehension FTW. #microsoftsudopatent
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    jepzilla promoted this comment Jagster was starred Jagster was unstarred
    Image of el bryanto el bryanto
    11/17/09

    @Jagster: "basically exactly like sudo except with user account switching"

    Exactly like sudo in the way that it makes it possible for a non-root user gain access root-level privileges by means of a simple process. In sudo's case, WITHOUT account switching, hence "[Microsoft patent in discussion is] BASICALLY EXACTLY LIKE SUDO EXCEPT WITH USER ACCOUNT SWITCHING". What was that again? OH. COMPREHENSION FTW. #microsoftsudopatent
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    el bryanto was starred el bryanto was unstarred
    Image of Jagster Jagster
    11/17/09

    @el bryanto: I'm sorry, you still don't get it. Sudo would be the same as the Windows "Run-As" command. The patent is for the automated prompting, not for every subcomponent of that. So...
    patent=auto prompting for escalated perms
    sudo≠auto prompting for escalated perms

    Saying the patent is the same as sudo is like saying a car is the same as a wheel. No one would say a car is the same as a wheel just because a wheel is used in a car. So a car is "basically exactly like wheel except with a chassis"... see how stupid that sounds? #microsoftsudopatent
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    Image of Lite: hates Illinois Nazis Lite: hates Illinois Nazis
    11/16/09

    In reply to Microsoft's Pseudo Sudo Patent
    Wait, you mean Microsoft isn't deserving of my impotent rage over this?

    Dammit! It's gotta be like, a Monday or something for this to happen. #microsoftsudopatent
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    Image of cmanptown02 cmanptown02
    11/16/09


    @Lite: hates Illinois Nazis: #microsoftsudopatent
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    Lite: hates Illinois Nazis promoted this comment cmanptown02 was starred cmanptown02 was unstarred
    Image of Lite: hates Illinois Nazis Lite: hates Illinois Nazis
    11/16/09

    @cmanptown02: I believe you would get your ass kicked for saying something like that. #microsoftsudopatent
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    Image of I3ob the Lizard I3ob the Lizard
    11/16/09

    @cmanptown02: Illinois and Nazis huh? Somehow I'm not making the connection. Now if you had said Illinois Lawyers or patent clerks, I might have understood but the whole state? #microsoftsudopatent
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    met2art promoted this comment I3ob the Lizard was starred I3ob the Lizard was unstarred
    Image of met2art met2art
    11/16/09

    @I3ob the Lizard: The Blues Brothers. See it. Love it.

    Elwood: Illinois Nazis.
    Jake: I hate Illinois Nazis. #microsoftsudopatent
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    Image of cmanptown02 cmanptown02
    11/16/09

    his name is "Lite: hates Illinois Nazis" I didn't say that. That is all #microsoftsudopatent
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    Image of AmishJohn AmishJohn
    11/16/09

    @met2art: The Vega falling to the tune of 'Ride of the Valkyries' is a personal favorite.
    "I've always loved you, Sir." #microsoftsudopatent
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    Image of I3ob the Lizard I3ob the Lizard
    11/17/09

    @met2art: Gotcha, now it all makes sense. Forgive my ignorance and disregard my comment. #microsoftsudopatent
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    Image of Serolf Divad Serolf Divad
    02/09/09

    In reply to Beware: UNIX Time to Read 1234567890 On Friday the 13th
    To see when this takes place in your time zone, run this little Perl scrip


    Aw man... I was all set to approach that impossibly out of my league girl from work I want to sleep with before I die when I read this part. I mean... what... is the world going to end in at different times depending on your time zone?

     Reply
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    Image of Oscar Flores Oscar Flores
    02/08/09

    In reply to Beware: UNIX Time to Read 1234567890 On Friday the 13th
    since Macs are based off of Unixs, will it affect them?
    sorry if its a stupid question, im new to apple
     Reply
    Oscar Flores was starred Oscar Flores was unstarred
    Image of Oscar Flores Oscar Flores
    02/08/09

    @Oscar Flores: *Unix
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    Oscar Flores was starred Oscar Flores was unstarred
    Image of Rolcol Rolcol
    02/08/09

    @Oscar Flores: I seriously doubt this will do anything bad. The day we have to worry is January 19, 2038. This just cool.


    [en.wikipedia.org]

     Reply
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    Image of ScottRose ScottRose
    02/09/09

    @Rolcol: Yikes if there are still enough 32-bit computers around in '38 to make it a problem..
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    ScottRose was starred ScottRose was unstarred
    Image of mocax mocax
    02/08/09

    In reply to Beware: UNIX Time to Read 1234567890 On Friday the 13th
    uh... i get '2009-02-14 07:31:30'
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    Image of Chandru Chandru
    02/09/09

    @mocax: see.. 31 is inverse of 13, 30 contains 3 which also exists in 13, 14 is next to 13, 2009 adds up as 11 and 2 + 11 is 13 ..


    Shit 13 comes everywhere.. I'm scared!!

     Reply
    Chandru was starred Chandru was unstarred
    Image of ScottRose ScottRose
    02/09/09

    @Chandru: I'm getting a raging clue right now..
     Reply
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    Image of Brandon Terrill Brandon Terrill
    02/08/09

    In reply to Beware: UNIX Time to Read 1234567890 On Friday the 13th
    Yeah I seriously think the Mayans just got lazy, said "Fuck it" and stopped adding days to their calendar after 2012. Lazy bastards!
     Reply
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    Image of Geisrud Geisrud
    02/09/09

    @Brandon Terrill: Good thing I'm not Mayan, or I'd be worried.


    Seriously though, they were probably just predicting their own demise, not that of the world...they just over estimated a bit...or didn't plan on the Spaniards showing up.


    Either way, I'm not worried.

     Reply
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    Image of thedarkhorse thedarkhorse
    02/08/09

    In reply to Beware: UNIX Time to Read 1234567890 On Friday the 13th
    ok but what time is that in real time?
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    Image of sugardeath sugardeath
    02/08/09

    @thedarkhorse:

    Did you not read the article? There's a one line script you can use to determine that on your local machine.
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    Image of The Amazing Ant The Amazing Ant
    02/08/09

    @sugardeath: Could just tell him that it says "Friday, February 13th at 1831 and 30 seconds EST"... (6:31 pm for those who don't know)

    Still should have read the article, but...
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    Image of Jrsy Devil's Advocate® Jrsy Devil's Advocate®
    02/08/09

    @The Amazing Ant: Crap! You mean I'll be at work when the world ends.


    It figures...

     Reply
    Jrsy Devil's Advocate® was starred Jrsy Devil's Advocate® was unstarred
    Image of Yeebles Yeebles
    02/09/09

    @thedarkhorse:


    13/02/2009 23:31:30 GMT

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    Yeebles was starred Yeebles was unstarred
    Image of ScottRose ScottRose
    02/09/09

    @Yeebles:


    2009-02-13 18:31:30


    No one used the best date format. :(

     Reply
    ScottRose was starred ScottRose was unstarred
    Image of ScottRose ScottRose
    02/09/09

    @ScottRose:


    Tho that should have said -0500 after it. Nerts.

     Reply
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