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So then how is this that different from OS X, which for years prompted you to sign in as an admin to do updates and installs and other restricted items?
Simply presenting a list instead of a name/password dialog? That's patentable? #microsoftsudopatent
@ghmlco: Patents are not about functionality, they are about implementation. Since the origin of the modern patent system, people have been at work, finding alternate, non-patented, implementations of useful ideas. And then patenting those alternate implementations.
A lot of people get hung up on OS X (and gksudo). But even though the functionality appears nearly identical, the implementation of that functionality differs. Neither OS X, nor gksudo implement the elevation functionality in a way that is covered by the UAC patent. Same functionality, but different implementation.
The important thing to remember is that the abstract of a patent is only to help you understand what the 'invention' is about, it has no legal weight. The important part a patent is its claims, and those tend to be very specific. I personally am not a fan of the patent system as it exists today, but at the same time I would estimate that 90% of patent hate would go away if people would learn to read the claims, not the abstracts. #microsoftsudopatent
So... turns out all the hate comments made towards Microsoft should now be turned in reverse and directed at the Linux community for copying Microsoft?
"...there is a Linux tool called PolicyKit... created after the (Microsoft) patent was filed." #microsoftsudopatent
Reading the original post is good for some chuckles. Several of the commenters pointed out this very thing, yet were yelled down by the trolls.
Gizmodo's mantra sometimes seems to be:
=IF("Story about Microsoft"="Bad PR for them", "Don't fact Check", "Fact Check") #microsoftsudopatent
@relyk5: Because:=IF("Your Spreadsheet Software in Finance" <"Excel", "Laughed out of the building","Treated normally")I've yet to see a spreadsheet in banking that wasn't natively Excel, with the exception of database tables. #microsoftsudopatent
Edit:
Haha. the posting script/language/whatever doesn't let me use the normal "not equal to" Excel, hence the goofy looking post
@DeeJayQueue: More like:
(Windows)
- Make me a sandwich
No, I can't do that for you.
But.... here is a list of people that I can make a sandwich for and if you know their password I will let you impersonate them and then gladly make a sandwich for you.
(Linux)
- Make me a sandwich
No, I can't do that for you.
"which prompts users to switch to a higher-level user account when they hit against a permissions barrier"
So it's basically exactly like sudo except with user account switching? And here I was thinking companies like Microsoft should be focused on making stuff you know.. simpler. #microsoftsudopatent
@el bryanto: sudo does not prompt you to switch users AT ALL. How do you get that this is exactly like sudo? The patent is on auto detecting when escalated permissions are needed to run a command and to provide a list of accounts that have the required permissions. Sudo does not do anything like this. Comprehension FTW. #microsoftsudopatent
@Jagster: "basically exactly like sudo except with user account switching"
Exactly like sudo in the way that it makes it possible for a non-root user gain access root-level privileges by means of a simple process. In sudo's case, WITHOUT account switching, hence "[Microsoft patent in discussion is] BASICALLY EXACTLY LIKE SUDO EXCEPT WITH USER ACCOUNT SWITCHING". What was that again? OH. COMPREHENSION FTW. #microsoftsudopatent
@el bryanto: I'm sorry, you still don't get it. Sudo would be the same as the Windows "Run-As" command. The patent is for the automated prompting, not for every subcomponent of that. So...
patent=auto prompting for escalated perms
sudo≠auto prompting for escalated perms
Saying the patent is the same as sudo is like saying a car is the same as a wheel. No one would say a car is the same as a wheel just because a wheel is used in a car. So a car is "basically exactly like wheel except with a chassis"... see how stupid that sounds? #microsoftsudopatent
@cmanptown02: Illinois and Nazis huh? Somehow I'm not making the connection. Now if you had said Illinois Lawyers or patent clerks, I might have understood but the whole state? #microsoftsudopatent
To see when this takes place in your time zone, run this little Perl scrip
Aw man... I was all set to approach that impossibly out of my league girl from work I want to sleep with before I die when I read this part. I mean... what... is the world going to end in at different times depending on your time zone?
@Brandon Terrill: Good thing I'm not Mayan, or I'd be worried.
Seriously though, they were probably just predicting their own demise, not that of the world...they just over estimated a bit...or didn't plan on the Spaniards showing up.
11/16/09
Simply presenting a list instead of a name/password dialog? That's patentable? #microsoftsudopatent
11/16/09
A lot of people get hung up on OS X (and gksudo). But even though the functionality appears nearly identical, the implementation of that functionality differs. Neither OS X, nor gksudo implement the elevation functionality in a way that is covered by the UAC patent. Same functionality, but different implementation.
The important thing to remember is that the abstract of a patent is only to help you understand what the 'invention' is about, it has no legal weight. The important part a patent is its claims, and those tend to be very specific. I personally am not a fan of the patent system as it exists today, but at the same time I would estimate that 90% of patent hate would go away if people would learn to read the claims, not the abstracts. #microsoftsudopatent
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You're not allowed to make funnier comments than myself, you'll be hearing from my lawyer. #microsoftsudopatent
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"...there is a Linux tool called PolicyKit... created after the (Microsoft) patent was filed." #microsoftsudopatent
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11/16/09
-Signed
Microsoft. #microsoftsudopatent
11/16/09
"Sudo All your Sudo are belong to us."
"Okay." #microsoftsudopatent
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Yes/No #microsoftsudopatent
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Gizmodo's mantra sometimes seems to be:
=IF("Story about Microsoft"="Bad PR for them", "Don't fact Check", "Fact Check") #microsoftsudopatent
11/16/09
("story about ms" == "bad pr") ? "dont fact check" : "fact check";
11/16/09
Edit:
Haha. the posting script/language/whatever doesn't let me use the normal "not equal to" Excel, hence the goofy looking post
11/16/09
while (MicrosoftStory() == "bad pr") {
DontFactCheck();
}
A corollary would be:
while (AppleStory()) {
if (random() = 0.5) {
AppleFanboy();
} else {
AppleHater();
}
} #microsoftsudopatent
11/16/09
It's HTML. To get < >, use " <" and " >" #microsoftsudopatent
11/16/09
-Make me a sandwich.
no.
-Sudo Make me a sandwich.
ok.
and for Windows it's:
-Can I have a sandwich?
No, go ask your mom if it's ok. #microsoftsudopatent
11/16/09
-Can I have a sandwich?
No.
-But Mom said it's ok.
ok, fine, have a damn sandwich.
11/16/09
(Windows)
- Make me a sandwich
No, I can't do that for you.
But.... here is a list of people that I can make a sandwich for and if you know their password I will let you impersonate them and then gladly make a sandwich for you.
(Linux)
- Make me a sandwich
No, I can't do that for you.
11/16/09
So it's basically exactly like sudo except with user account switching? And here I was thinking companies like Microsoft should be focused on making stuff you know.. simpler. #microsoftsudopatent
11/16/09
11/17/09
Exactly like sudo in the way that it makes it possible for a non-root user gain access root-level privileges by means of a simple process. In sudo's case, WITHOUT account switching, hence "[Microsoft patent in discussion is] BASICALLY EXACTLY LIKE SUDO EXCEPT WITH USER ACCOUNT SWITCHING". What was that again? OH. COMPREHENSION FTW. #microsoftsudopatent
11/17/09
patent=auto prompting for escalated perms
sudo≠auto prompting for escalated perms
Saying the patent is the same as sudo is like saying a car is the same as a wheel. No one would say a car is the same as a wheel just because a wheel is used in a car. So a car is "basically exactly like wheel except with a chassis"... see how stupid that sounds? #microsoftsudopatent
11/16/09
Dammit! It's gotta be like, a Monday or something for this to happen. #microsoftsudopatent
11/16/09
@Lite: hates Illinois Nazis: #microsoftsudopatent
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11/16/09
Elwood: Illinois Nazis.
Jake: I hate Illinois Nazis. #microsoftsudopatent
11/16/09
11/16/09
"I've always loved you, Sir." #microsoftsudopatent
11/17/09
02/09/09
Aw man... I was all set to approach that impossibly out of my league girl from work I want to sleep with before I die when I read this part. I mean... what... is the world going to end in at different times depending on your time zone?
02/08/09
sorry if its a stupid question, im new to apple
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[en.wikipedia.org]
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Shit 13 comes everywhere.. I'm scared!!
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Seriously though, they were probably just predicting their own demise, not that of the world...they just over estimated a bit...or didn't plan on the Spaniards showing up.
Either way, I'm not worried.
02/08/09
02/08/09
Did you not read the article? There's a one line script you can use to determine that on your local machine.
02/08/09
Still should have read the article, but...
02/08/09
It figures...
02/09/09
13/02/2009 23:31:30 GMT
02/09/09
2009-02-13 18:31:30
No one used the best date format. :(
02/09/09
Tho that should have said -0500 after it. Nerts.