@whereisian: If i remember correctly, the Ion Platform is Intel's. As the whole concept behind it was so that it would only work with the Atom CPU, As such essentially, the GPU is just Nvidia's 9400M Beefed up a little bit. But the Whole Package 9400M + Atom = Ion.
How many people actually connect their netbooks to a 1080p screen and use it to watch HD video?
Almost NO netbook has that capability (ie: no HDMI output) and no BlueRay drive. Sure you COULD run a file from the hard drive - and connect it to a large monitor over VGA... but WHY?
The whole point of a netbook is compact and portible. Even with 1366x768 - you do have 16:9 but not 1080p. So get a video file that's scaled for that output and voila - problem solved.
@TheWerewolf - Causing headlines!: Who says this has to be in a netbook? A nettop built around this tech would make for a dandy Boxee box that'd fit in the palm of your hand.
@oboreruhito: Nobody addressed his question because his question was stupid. "OMG who has use for this in a netbook! That must mean it's useless all around!"
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Hardware folks and people with a preferred OS always start with 'I have a better X and so naturally, people will want this...'But end users always go 'I need to do something and this app does it.. does it run on your hardware or OS?'
Then the hardware/OS types come up with byzantine solutions like emulators or WINE or alternative apps - which are fine solutions for them, because their goal is to get you to use their choice - but is rarely a good solution for the end user. Except that the end user doesn't have any motivation to go through those hoops - they can just use the original hardware/OS the app was intended to run on.
Which is why ARM just will never take over the netbook market, and why the Apple Tablet (should it end up being an ARM/iPhone OS device) are pretty much doomed to being niche products.
I love the ARM. Like most RISC processors, the instruction set is orthogonal and, as mentioned, the static core means you can shut the clock off completely to save power. One thing though... how will it run apps written for the Intel processor? Will the Intel apps have to run on top of an emulator?
Half the size of a Mac mini and half as useful is my guess.
For items like registers, kiosks, and the like you wouldn't want the case. If you needed something hazard proof (for inside a paint booth or chemical treatment) I doubt this thing would even qualify.
While the size is great, I really don't see it doing too well.
I hate this shit. The leaders in the tech industry make predictions that "hardware class X is just a fad," then do everything within their power to make those prophecies come true, customers be damned. The exact same thing is happening in the video game industry with the Nintendo Wii... third parties have been shoveling a lot of sub-GameCube garbage onto the system, because they simply don't want to make the most of limited hardware and wrap their heads around the unique control interface.
It should be very, very disturbing to any computer enthusiast that Microsoft has enough power to control entire segments of the computer industry that SHOULD be outside the company's sphere of influence.
The NC10-A2 is the current precursor to what ion based laptops can really do. With a atom processor and a 9300m it isnt exactly blazing fast, but from most accounts it plays current games reasonably well and old games just fine. The only problem with it is its price. At $700 you're edging into budget notebook category, and with the likes of the studio xps 13 dropping under $900 I dont think there's much of a choice between a souped up NC10 and a proper portable 13" notebook. Hint... the notebook wins. When I pay $250 for a netbook I dont expect miracles, but if I pay $700+ it better damn well work like a proper notebook. My only complaint about the current segment of netbooks is that web content (hulu, youtube HD, netflix) just doesnt work on them well enough to be enjoyable. If Ion can fix just that I think many people will be very happy with their "crippled" netbooks.
Did you really have to put the Apple stab in there at the end? That's inappropriate and irrelevant. Their laptops don't dominate the market and an Apple tablet, while cool, isn't going to kill any sort of pc based netbook market.
@Zach Prichard: I think you missed the point of the last sentence. In the last year, there has been absolutely no innovation in the Netbook space, largely because IMHO, the definition of netbook and the availability of low power processors basically meant everything was going to be Atom based. So all the producers basically started competing over 7 to 10 inch screens, vertical resolution of 594-600 lines, 3 to 6 battery cells, and when that all ran dry -- they started tossing in case colors...not exactly ground breaking stuff... The thing that keeps people excited about the netbook space is all that damn potential we can all see for a really well designed netbook.
So then there is apple -- Like them or not, they have a long track record of entering stagnant product spaces and shaking things up a bit. I don't care much one way or another if my netbook is an apple, but I hope to hell they jump in there soon an motivate other producers to get off their asses.
In the interest of full disclosure this post was written on a MacBook Pro running Windows 7RC...
@ndonahue: While I agree the Apple tablet thingie is very intriguing, I think the fact that it is a TABLET should be its defining characteristic, rather than it having lower specs that other Mac products...
The way MS/intel managed to completely screw up the launch/brand management of Tablet PCs, a Mac Tablet should be the last nail in the coffin...
But at the same time, if Apple launches a tablet, nothing's going to stop me from nuking the HD and clean installing Win 7...
HAHAHA SUCK IT FANBOIS...
(just kidding, well... I'm not kidding about the installing Win 7 part, but the "suck it fanbois" remark was just me poking fun, and I'm going to get flamed either way so screw it...)
Microsoft has to offer Windows at a lower price on low-spec netbooks in order to compete with Linux. It does not, however, need to offer lower prices on larger laptops with better specs because there is no other option for OS in those cases. This is just good business, not a conspiracy.
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Word has it, they also have a version built around the Via Nano in the works, since Intel's been such huge cocks to them lately.
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How many people actually connect their netbooks to a 1080p screen and use it to watch HD video?
Almost NO netbook has that capability (ie: no HDMI output) and no BlueRay drive. Sure you COULD run a file from the hard drive - and connect it to a large monitor over VGA... but WHY?
The whole point of a netbook is compact and portible. Even with 1366x768 - you do have 16:9 but not 1080p. So get a video file that's scaled for that output and voila - problem solved.
Seriously, this is a tempest in a teapot.
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@oboreruhito: Nobody addressed his question because his question was stupid. "OMG who has use for this in a netbook! That must mean it's useless all around!"
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Hardware folks and people with a preferred OS always start with 'I have a better X and so naturally, people will want this...'But end users always go 'I need to do something and this app does it.. does it run on your hardware or OS?'
Then the hardware/OS types come up with byzantine solutions like emulators or WINE or alternative apps - which are fine solutions for them, because their goal is to get you to use their choice - but is rarely a good solution for the end user. Except that the end user doesn't have any motivation to go through those hoops - they can just use the original hardware/OS the app was intended to run on.
Which is why ARM just will never take over the netbook market, and why the Apple Tablet (should it end up being an ARM/iPhone OS device) are pretty much doomed to being niche products.
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For items like registers, kiosks, and the like you wouldn't want the case. If you needed something hazard proof (for inside a paint booth or chemical treatment) I doubt this thing would even qualify.
While the size is great, I really don't see it doing too well.
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It should be very, very disturbing to any computer enthusiast that Microsoft has enough power to control entire segments of the computer industry that SHOULD be outside the company's sphere of influence.
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Core 2 Duo, 4 GB 800mhz RAM, 350GB HD, WiFi A/B/G/N, Webcam, etc. for $600...
I would have paid an extra $100 for that Inspiron to have a 9300m, but funk-that for a netbook...
So, in a nut-shell, I agree with your point.
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So then there is apple -- Like them or not, they have a long track record of entering stagnant product spaces and shaking things up a bit. I don't care much one way or another if my netbook is an apple, but I hope to hell they jump in there soon an motivate other producers to get off their asses.
In the interest of full disclosure this post was written on a MacBook Pro running Windows 7RC...
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The way MS/intel managed to completely screw up the launch/brand management of Tablet PCs, a Mac Tablet should be the last nail in the coffin...
But at the same time, if Apple launches a tablet, nothing's going to stop me from nuking the HD and clean installing Win 7...
HAHAHA SUCK IT FANBOIS...
(just kidding, well... I'm not kidding about the installing Win 7 part, but the "suck it fanbois" remark was just me poking fun, and I'm going to get flamed either way so screw it...)
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Once netbooks stop sucking, they become LAPTOPS. And you can put anything you want in those.
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LMAO