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The likelihood that any country will nuke any other country in the near future is essentially nil. The retribution from the rest of the world would eliminate any possible benefit.
What is scary is Iran selling a nuke to terrorists, and even that seems unlikely because we would probably track it back to the Iranians.
This is just a play for influence and negotiating power, just like North Korea. Imadinnerjacket might be a little nuts, but he isn't crazy stupid.
I'm kind of tired of people pooping their pants about these small countries with nukes.
@The5thElephant: When you have crazy lunatics with nothing to lose, why would they care? If you take someone like Kim Yong-Il for example, he's old as shit and about to die anyway, he's crazy enough to want to go out in a blaze of glory and if he had a nuke he'd probably fire it. It's true that we would crush them immediately but that first nuke strike that they had would still be catastrophic.
Personally, I think a handful of missiles in the hands of an unstable theocratic republic bothers me as equally as thousands of missiles in the hands of the US hegemony.
That is to say, it bothers me not because one is more likely to use it than the other, but because they are idealogically opposed and in want of antagonists. In the absence of confeds, kaisers, nazis, commies, gooks or towelheads, this is the sort of thing that says "me next!".
Iran with a nuke will bring peace to the middle east finally... it'll force the US and Israel to the negotiating table and take Iran seriously. Lets see Israel try to fuck with them when they're not the only one on the street with a big boys gun. Don't think I'm right? Look at how angry the US and Israel are getting. They don't want to play nice with Iran. If they get a nuke they'll be forced to.
@TonyWonder: And peace in the Middle East will be brought by being forced to negotiate with a country whose government wants to wipe Israel off the map and takes pride in being the international bad guy? That worked really well to stabilize Europe in the late 1930's when Germany was acting like Iran is now.
@TonyWonder: Iran wants the state of Israel to disappear completely. They want everyone out, and leave it to the Palestinians. No one can really negotiate with that. If Iran was only pushing for a palestinian state then fine, there could be talks. But further demands are just plain unreasonable and will never lead to peace. So no, Iran with nukes will not lead to peace.
When it comes to the Middle East, nothing will bring peace. The only thing we can focus on is keeping all parties from getting their hands on even more powerful weaponry and deal even more damage to one another.
@TonyWonder: ha! Iran has so many enemies that by the time a nuclear missile made it ten feet off the ground, the Arabian/Persian Gulf will double in size
Other countries having nuclear powers does not bring war, it brings peace. We must consider people with equal weapons as us, instead of treating them like dirt.
The main reason they're third world is because they can't negotiate fairly with bigger countries. Once they have the same weapons, fear and hate will be reduced towards us, and we will have to treat them better.
@Dancing Milkcarton: If you think the US has actually been ‘playing nice’ and not interfering with the domestic affairs of another sovereign country then you’re ignorant.
If you’re unable to comprehend the reasons behind Iran’s hostility towards Israel; you’re ignorant.
If you can’t figure out the geo-political framework that makes the G20 function (weapons) then you’re too ignorant to understand my post and should not have replied.
@cabjf: your impression of Iran being an international badguy is framed by the US media. Find the transcript of Akmadinijads speech to the UN. You'll learn something...
@abrelosojos: You're referring to rhetoric and not Iran's official position. They agree with the UNs plan (along with every other UN country with the exception of the US and Israel) for a two state settlement for both Israel and Palestine. The US and Israel have derailed that plan for years
@That-One-Person: everyone should take a minute and think about how the USA got to be the biggest superpower in the world before denying any other countries right to have nuclear energy or weapons to defend itself. Failure to do that makes you a hypocrite.
@TonyWonder: Ha! Stop reading misleading internets blogs. Why do you think the US has fared so well in the Middle East? All of the other countries are afraid of Iran... And buy our toys. for protection.
Off-beat question, what does a corrosive liquid have to do with propulsion stability? If it were mentioned that liquid sloshing around in a tank under low acceleration causes instability, it'd make a bit more sense. But of all the definitions for "corrosive" that I'm familiar with, I'd be interested in hearing a new one.
I'd be afraid, but in the end we'd find out it's like WarGames, in that the missiles are just a badly photoshopped/After Effected shot fed into our computers.
I'm no fan of Iran but why should I care whether or not they're capable of hitting Israel? They way conservatives (and quite a few liberals) act you'd think Israel were our 51st state. If Israel doesn't like what Iran's doing they can bomb the fuck out of them. Wake me up when they're even remotely close to hitting the US.
Iran knows that attacking the EU or US would be suicide. NATO would turn them into a giant glass pit.
@Yerzriknot: Aside from the fact that Israel also has many American citizens either living there temporarily or visiting family, and that it's generally frowned upon when millions of people are eradicated by enemy combatants, Iran nuking anyone in this day and age would be pretty bad fucking news for EVERYONE. I would prefer if no one gets bombed anytime soon. WW3 is not my cup o' tea, thanks.
@Kaiser-Machead: World War III is a tad dramatic. Iran wouldn't last very long against NATO. They're not China. Any American who chooses to visit a country as dangerous as Israel is going at their own risk.
@Yerzriknot: I don't think it's that dramatic. But that's kind of the point: Iran knows what the consequence of launching anything at anyone will be.
Though I'm pretty sure the U.S. (and most commenters on this board) wouldn't care as much if Iran were to bomb the Saudis instead of Israel...so much for "humanity".
@Yerzriknot: Iran has publicly stated that its intentions are specifically to annihilate Israel. To not express concern about this because of your political views is simply outrageous.
@Yerzriknot: WWIII isn't too dramatic. It could spark a chain reaction of a full scale proxy war much like what is happening now in the middle east on a much smaller scale (See Iran and Hamas, China/Russia and Iran, U.S./NATO and Isreal, etc.). If you take a look at the chain of who's been helping who it would pit all of the strongest nations against each other with the entire ME as the arena. That is BAD NEWS.
@leozuck: If I were an Israeli citizen I'm sure I'd be quite enraged by comments like that. But Israel is not the responsibility of the United States. Israel can take care of itself, they almost certainly have nukes as well.
If you like Israel so much go apply for citizenship and join their military.
@Yerzriknot: "Iran knows that attacking the EU or US would be suicide. NATO would turn them into a giant glass pit." They might think it's a worthwhile trade if they can turn Israel into glass.
@DustyButt™: A good chunk of the Iranian population doesn't even like the current regime. It probably wouldn't last much longer then the Iraqi military did (no, the insurgency afterwards does not count).
@Yerzriknot: Because if Iran were to launch a missile at Israel the US would jump to Israel's aid in a heartbeat. Russia would most likely go to Iran's aid. That would be bad.
Also, Israel does not officially have nuclear weapons and refuses to say much on it one way or the other. However most people think that they do (around 75-200), and there was a report floating around Israel being prepared to use nuclear bunker busters on Iran's enrichment facilities. Any kind of nuclear war would kind of suck too.
@NateN: I doubt it Russia likes Iran enough to go to war against the US. They're not anywhere near as powerful as they used to be. No country can compete with the US military in conventional warfare now.
@Yerzriknot: You'd be enraged because the world expresses concern over nuclear warfare? That seems accurate. As for "liking Israel so much," I'm just taking defence to ignorant comments like yours.
@Yerzriknot: The populous may not like the current regime but they also don't have control of any of the nations weapons. Iran has allies in other nations that DO like the current regime. This isn't about one nation, you keep overlooking that fact.
@Yerzriknot: "A good chunk of the Iranian population doesn't even like the current regime."
Statistically... every 20 out of 10 Iranians voted for Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.
@Yerzriknot: It's not about Russia picking up arms and attacking. One of the goals of a Proxy War is to force a Nation to use it's military resources until they are drained to the point where they are equal to your abilities or less. You use another nation to essentially fight on your behalf, not to win, but to trickle the strength of your opponent. At that point you can attempt to impose your will.
@Yerzriknot:
Sheesh, didn't realize I'd release such a shit-storm by questioning the sacred cow that is Israel.
I'm curious when defense of Israel became an article of faith in the US. We might as well make them a state, at least then we'd get some tax money out of them
@DustyButt™: Russia can't even feed their own people (or are you forgetting the reports of Russian homeless resorting to cannibalism in Moscow) might as less influence international politics in any major way.
Unless Iran backs off from its nuclear production, Israel will do something violent about it before they can launch. Although even Obama and Hilary have not taken the military option off the table, so maybe we would too.
I'm not siding with Israel, or anyone in this for that matter, and I hope that diplomacy can solve this. I am however very doubtful that current Iranian leadership will respond to diplomacy.
God help us all if their current leadership gets its hands on a nuclear weapon, because I would not be surprised in the least if they launched it as soon as they could get it to Jerusalem. Whatever you think of the Middle East, I hope we can all agree that this would be a disaster.
@NorwoodIsMyHero: I give it less than 6 months before Israel nukes the shit out of Iran's rocket facilities.
If we don't back them in this endeavor, and support them through the inevitable massive backlash from Islamic countries, then we are giant, hippocritical asshats.
@Segador: I doubt that Israel would use nukes and I am assuming you're using hyperbole but yes Israel will take matters into their own hands. Their lives depend on it. It's a shame though that it has to come to this and that more people don't take a firm stand against true warmongering.
2) I'm pretty sure they realize that if they launch anything at Israel (nuclear or otherwise), Tehran would be wiped off the map about 5 minutes later...I don't think that's their plan.
@Segador: I think Iran is much further from having a nuclear warhead than six months. I don't think Israel will launch an attack until they absolutely have to.
Israel knows that once they do that, there is no turning back. They will have set all their surrounding rivals against them and will have started what could full well end up being World War III.
Even the most extreme Zionists would avoid nuking Iran until the last possible second, and in their gut they would know that if they did it without tacit approval from the U.S., that they would have doomed themselves.
@NorwoodIsMyHero: "Some 33 to 66 pounds (15 to 30 kilograms) of uranium enriched to levels above 90 percent would be needed to produce a nuclear bomb. Iran has about 3,300 pounds (1,500 kilograms) of 3.5 percent, or low-enriched uranium — enough to produce highly enriched material for two such weapons."
You are right about them being a ways off from completion although the necessary materials are there. I stole that quote from an AP article I read last week.
@NorwoodIsMyHero: You'll forgive me, as I am truly uneducated in world-wide affairs (I care not to pretend I know what the heck I'm talking about in that arena)....but is there something special about the U.S. that would make extreme Zionists believe a lack of U.S. support would doom them? Is it our military strength, or is there something else?
....I'd heard on some news program (probably Fox) that some folks in the U.S. believe that we have some special purpose in the world. Like it was a doctrine of some kind? Do you know what I'm talking about?
@Segador: While I agree that Iran with nuclear weapons is bad for business I also feel as though a repeat of Iraq would be a mistake. I think the U.S. has used up our "pre-emptive strike" cards. As a retired Army veteran I also would love to see something outside of military might used to squash the situation here.
I think the U.N. fuel swap proposal which has been outlined and accepted, albeit conditionally, by Iran is a step in the right direction. We will have to see how it all plays out, but again I agree waiting would be a mistake.
@OCEntertainment:
The reason extreme Zionists would believe this is because there have been numerous moments in the last several decades where the only thing stopping an all out invasion of Israel by all its surrounding countries was a threatening U.S. naval fleet in the Med. Even they aren't so short sighted as to recognize this.
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A recent poll has shown that 7 out of 5 people approved of it.
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Hmm... image uploader is a bucket o' fail today...
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The likelihood that any country will nuke any other country in the near future is essentially nil. The retribution from the rest of the world would eliminate any possible benefit.
What is scary is Iran selling a nuke to terrorists, and even that seems unlikely because we would probably track it back to the Iranians.
This is just a play for influence and negotiating power, just like North Korea. Imadinnerjacket might be a little nuts, but he isn't crazy stupid.
I'm kind of tired of people pooping their pants about these small countries with nukes.
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That is to say, it bothers me not because one is more likely to use it than the other, but because they are idealogically opposed and in want of antagonists. In the absence of confeds, kaisers, nazis, commies, gooks or towelheads, this is the sort of thing that says "me next!".
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I feel sorry for the Iranian people the most. Their leadership is going to eventually cause unnecessary bloodshed.
When you constantly talk about 'wiping Israel off the map' you're signaling that you're not interesting in 'playing nice.'
If you think Iran with a nuke brings peace to the ME, you're just as ignorant as their idealogical government.
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When it comes to the Middle East, nothing will bring peace. The only thing we can focus on is keeping all parties from getting their hands on even more powerful weaponry and deal even more damage to one another.
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Other countries having nuclear powers does not bring war, it brings peace. We must consider people with equal weapons as us, instead of treating them like dirt.
The main reason they're third world is because they can't negotiate fairly with bigger countries. Once they have the same weapons, fear and hate will be reduced towards us, and we will have to treat them better.
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If you’re unable to comprehend the reasons behind Iran’s hostility towards Israel; you’re ignorant.
If you can’t figure out the geo-political framework that makes the G20 function (weapons) then you’re too ignorant to understand my post and should not have replied.
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P.S. "Sloshing" is science.
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"Very Bad News: U.S. Has Nukes"
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"Wait, what are nukes?"
"Oh, those things that turned Japan into the Iran of Asia? Crap... That means they could turn us into the Mexico of the middle east :( "
"Do we want this? Is this good?"
"Nooo, no, no... no. We do not want this. At all."
"Come. We go make tin can fly... make everyone think we have bomb. Really just tin can. Filled with half-eaten sandwiches."
"Ha ha haaaa yesssss, then we big heroesss!"
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@OCEntertainment: Yea and then the Germans were like "O, should we stop exterminating the Jews then?"
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Iran knows that attacking the EU or US would be suicide. NATO would turn them into a giant glass pit.
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Also check your history books regarding: Isolationists, Politics, and War.
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Though I'm pretty sure the U.S. (and most commenters on this board) wouldn't care as much if Iran were to bomb the Saudis instead of Israel...so much for "humanity".
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If you like Israel so much go apply for citizenship and join their military.
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Also, Israel does not officially have nuclear weapons and refuses to say much on it one way or the other. However most people think that they do (around 75-200), and there was a report floating around Israel being prepared to use nuclear bunker busters on Iran's enrichment facilities. Any kind of nuclear war would kind of suck too.
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America has an unhealthy love affair with Israel.
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Statistically... every 20 out of 10 Iranians voted for Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.
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Sheesh, didn't realize I'd release such a shit-storm by questioning the sacred cow that is Israel.
I'm curious when defense of Israel became an article of faith in the US. We might as well make them a state, at least then we'd get some tax money out of them
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I'm not siding with Israel, or anyone in this for that matter, and I hope that diplomacy can solve this. I am however very doubtful that current Iranian leadership will respond to diplomacy.
God help us all if their current leadership gets its hands on a nuclear weapon, because I would not be surprised in the least if they launched it as soon as they could get it to Jerusalem. Whatever you think of the Middle East, I hope we can all agree that this would be a disaster.
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If we don't back them in this endeavor, and support them through the inevitable massive backlash from Islamic countries, then we are giant, hippocritical asshats.
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2) I'm pretty sure they realize that if they launch anything at Israel (nuclear or otherwise), Tehran would be wiped off the map about 5 minutes later...I don't think that's their plan.
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Israel knows that once they do that, there is no turning back. They will have set all their surrounding rivals against them and will have started what could full well end up being World War III.
Even the most extreme Zionists would avoid nuking Iran until the last possible second, and in their gut they would know that if they did it without tacit approval from the U.S., that they would have doomed themselves.
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You are right about them being a ways off from completion although the necessary materials are there. I stole that quote from an AP article I read last week.
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....I'd heard on some news program (probably Fox) that some folks in the U.S. believe that we have some special purpose in the world. Like it was a doctrine of some kind? Do you know what I'm talking about?
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I think the U.N. fuel swap proposal which has been outlined and accepted, albeit conditionally, by Iran is a step in the right direction. We will have to see how it all plays out, but again I agree waiting would be a mistake.
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The reason extreme Zionists would believe this is because there have been numerous moments in the last several decades where the only thing stopping an all out invasion of Israel by all its surrounding countries was a threatening U.S. naval fleet in the Med. Even they aren't so short sighted as to recognize this.
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And yes, I had to google his name to spell it correctly.
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Like I say, foreign affairs = not my strong suit. Thanks for the info.