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Acheron's Grief
05/17/09

In reply to Sony Pictures CEO Bashes the Entire Internet
Hey Jack, i think this was already posted :/

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Takamofo
05/17/09

@Acheron's Grief: I can see why he hates us now...
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closhedbb
03/03/09

In reply to With a Straight Face, Apple Charges $200 for 1GB of RAM, 200GB of HD Space in New Mac Minis
I doubt anyone is going to be doing any real gaming or serious work on one of these. So just get the $600 and an external USB drive.
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Saboth
03/03/09

@closhedbb:

Or I could just build a cheap pc for $400 with even better specs.
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MikeSWelch
03/03/09

@Saboth: That will only take up 10 times the space! And will only draw 10 times the power!!!

Some people are so daft.
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Saboth
03/03/09

@MikeSWelch:

At most, it might take up 2x the space and use like 20% more power, while offering 2x the performance.
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Lite: hates Illinois Nazis
03/03/09

@Saboth: Uh, the PSU for the Mini is a whopping 110 watts. Secondly the case is 6 x 6 x 2 (roughly) on the Mac Mini. A far more compelling argument would be the Dell Studio Hybrid, which even features BD Rom as an option.
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audioPICNIC
03/03/09

In reply to With a Straight Face, Apple Charges $200 for 1GB of RAM, 200GB of HD Space in New Mac Minis
For $200 I'd expect a 256GB SSD and 4GB of RAM...minimum.

What market does this machine target the most?
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VulnoX
03/03/09

@audioPICNIC:

HTPC for sure. This is my first and only Mac, but its the best form factor and price I have seen for something like this. And with Plex and other options that are exclusive to OSX, it makes the best HTPC for the price.

I know you can do MythTV, Media Center, etc, but I have tried all other routes and so far the Mini has been the best.

Plus, $599 is cheap as hell for something like this and the software it comes with. I understand thinking the $799 upgrade isnt worth it, but $599 is nice.
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majortom1029
03/03/09

@VulnoX: @VulnoX: its not though. Somebody built the same kind of pc from newegg for $200
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Kaiser-Machead
03/03/09

@majortom1029: I have yet to see a case that wasn't home-made that can come close to the form factor. Also, you'd have to cut a lot of corners on other components to get this.

You cannot build an HTPC the same size as a Mini with equal or greater specs and identical software package without stealing parts somewhere. If you can, I'd like to see it.
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shinobi-wan
03/03/09

In reply to With a Straight Face, Apple Charges $200 for 1GB of RAM, 200GB of HD Space in New Mac Minis
i think you mac lovers/users are finally seeing that you've been getting ripped off by Apple for years. And you all love it b/c you keep coming back and asking for more. Go ahead and throw away your money! ha ha
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Kaiser-Machead
03/03/09

@shinobi-wan: As a Mac proponent, I see some places where they really shine, and others where they can get sour. I never buy my systems with upgraded RAM BTO from Apple, because I know that they'll charge a large amount for it. I can just go to OWC and get whatever I need, but all in all, the standard prices of many systems is about on par with many other examples from other premium brands. It isn't always a Monster cable experience.
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shawn_dude
03/03/09

@Kaiser-Machead: Applce prices in a product tier and not based on the cost of the components. I'm sure some highly educated and well paid marketing folks figure out those price points and Apple sticks to them like a religion.

The Mini's price has more to do with the iMac price than it does the cost of a hard drive or an extra gig of RAM.
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Kaiser-Machead
03/03/09

@shawn_dude: Hey, that's fine and good, but that doesn't change the fact that I can get high quality components from third-party sites and get the same performance gains in my computer. Compound that with good warranties, and you have a no-brainer.
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vladdybear
03/03/09

In reply to With a Straight Face, Apple Charges $200 for 1GB of RAM, 200GB of HD Space in New Mac Minis
Why is that expensive?
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Kaiser-Machead
03/03/09

@vladdybear: Any Mac veteran who knows better never buys the RAM extra, unless they have a deep budget and forgo saving on prices of upgrades in favor of built-to-order convenience.
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HeartBurnKid: Agent of R.O.A.C.H.
03/03/09

In reply to With a Straight Face, Apple Charges $200 for 1GB of RAM, 200GB of HD Space in New Mac Minis
And they keep saying there's no Apple tax.
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Lite: hates Illinois Nazis
03/03/09

@HeartBurnKid, creepy morbid freak: It depends upon the product, but for most of them there is indeed an apple tax. Especially on lower-end products.
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Herman
03/03/09

In reply to With a Straight Face, Apple Charges $200 for 1GB of RAM, 200GB of HD Space in New Mac Minis
Brilliant, charging $200 extra for $40 of components.

I wonder how things will be going once the eee's start taking over the desktops for half the price, with twice the specs.

Prepare for a stock-drop people.
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justinpe
03/03/09

@Herman:

where do you get 1GB of RAM and 320 GB HDD for $40?
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taking_this_easy
03/03/09

@justinpe: 1GB definitely cheap.. the HDD depends on whether its a 3.5" drive

(if its a 3.5" drive, a NEW 1TB costs $100.... if its a 2.5" drive, a NEW 500GB costs $150)
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Kaiser-Machead
03/03/09

@taking_this_easy: The mini uses a 2.5".
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Dragonis
03/03/09

@Herman:

Wait, so you say that charing more than a product is worth is bad business? I though profits were a good thing?
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Hello Mister Walrus
03/03/09

@Dragonis: I think what he means is that Apple has high profits because it is good at selectively overcharging its customers, and that once competitors start to produce similar products, Apple will no longer be able to do this. It's plausible, but then again, Apple is very very good at marketing and product innovation. Who knows what they will be selling in one or two years.
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azzy
03/03/09

@justinpe: Google Search:

Generic 120gb sata: $35

Generic 320gb sata: $43

1GB DDR3 1066 $30

$43-35 = $8. 1GB in Mac Mini base, + 1GB Stick for $30 = 2GB. $38. That's with a 10% markup from the lowest prices I found.

Now, Apple doesn't use the cheapest parts, but Apple also doesn't pay retail+10%.
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Lite: hates Illinois Nazis
03/03/09

@azzy: Yeah, the only real catch is opening the Mini to upgrade it is a real bitch. =|
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citizensmith: I may be stupid but:
03/03/09

In reply to With a Straight Face, Apple Charges $200 for 1GB of RAM, 200GB of HD Space in New Mac Minis
Yeah way to go apple, give all us PC fanboys something to point at and laugh when anyone makes a vague attempt at defending apple pricing. :)
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MikeSWelch
03/03/09

@citizensmith: Apple always has the high end or "sucker" model.

However, if you compare the Dell Studio Hybrid to the $599 model, the Dell has 2GB of ram with an intel graphics card for $549. $50 more gets you an Nvidia graphics card and OSX. Not too shabby.
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NotHellTempest
03/03/09

@MikeSWelch: lol, who gives a shit. Both suck.
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SewerShark: LOOK BEHIND YOU, A THREE HEADED MONKEY!!!
03/03/09

@NotHellTempest: and that's why I build my own custom system.
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Lite: hates Illinois Nazis
03/03/09

@SewerShark: Right, but you pretty much cannot build a system that small for cheaper or equal in price. Which is kind of the point.

They're niche products. I love my mini as it makes a great media center and doesn't require a freaking huge case to sit under my TV... Which already has a Wii, DVD Player, Cable Modem, Digital Cable Box, PS2, surround receiver, and Xbox.
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Kaiser-Machead
03/03/09

In reply to With a Straight Face, Apple Charges $200 for 1GB of RAM, 200GB of HD Space in New Mac Minis
It's a proven fact that unicorn bones cannot be ground into powder, save for the fifth and sixth rib, which is made of pure gold.

Anyway, yes, the "higher" end model is a wank.
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frigg
03/03/09

@Kaiser-Machead: Didn't you watch the keynote?! Sheesh.

With Apple's next-generation laser cats, they're actually grinding up the costochondral junction near the sternal end of the unicorn's fourth rib. It's never been done! Not even by another unicorn! Obviously, once Apple recoups their R&D costs in developing the process, costs will come down. Until then, what's another $200 for a magigig of RAM?!
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Lite: hates Illinois Nazis
03/03/09

@Kaiser-Machead: What amuses me is that the last generation's cheapest model came with the remote for free, now they're charging $20 for it.

Sorry folks. The higher-end model definitely isn't worth buying. It doesn't even come w/ Blu Ray which even Dell's mini computer has.
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sn0zc0r3
03/03/09

In reply to With a Straight Face, Apple Charges $200 for 1GB of RAM, 200GB of HD Space in New Mac Minis
There's also a graphics memory bump from 128 to 256 in the $799 version.

My big question is if it's as easy to replace the hard drive/memory yourself.
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Kaiser-Machead
03/03/09

@sn0zc0r3: Replacing the RAM and HDD require slipping the inner assembly out of the aluminum case through the bottom. Upon which you'd have to open the "sandwich" of parts to expose both the RAM and HDD which are tucked in there. It's basically a full evisceration of your Mini, which is mighty daunting from the looks of it, if you're not that technically inclined.
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Bearded Rapper
03/03/09

In reply to With a Straight Face, Apple Charges $200 for 1GB of RAM, 200GB of HD Space in New Mac Minis
Not too bad for $800. But as we all know, the Mac Mini is going to the living room anyways. So we need way more than 240GB.
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badhatharry
03/03/09

@Bearded Rapper: Dude, don't keep your porn on your internal hard drive. If it crashes, you're stuck re-downloading the Bang Bus' oeuvre.
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Li Zhang
03/03/09

In reply to With a Straight Face, Apple Charges $200 for 1GB of RAM, 200GB of HD Space in New Mac Minis
I love the apple tax, it makes me feel so good about buying a PC.
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vladdybear
03/03/09

@Li Zhang: You must also love constantly cleaning your PC and installing anti-viruses. MMMmmmm the smell of slow systems.
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Mike Zuniga: That was Unexpected
03/03/09

@vladdybear: Wow, troll much?
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jbaranski
03/03/09

@MikeZuniga: i concur. The only reason Macs dont have viruses is because Hackers don't bother with them. Theyre not important enough. :P
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badhatharry
03/03/09

@jbaranski: Whatever. Either way, I don't have to worry about keeping my Norton up to date or whatever shit you people have to do.
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Spero
03/03/09

@MikeZuniga: Are you kidding me? And the first post in this thread isn't trolling? Damn, at least be fair.
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Hello Mister Walrus
03/03/09

@Spero: Trolling for everyone!
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cyberwiz01
03/03/09

In reply to With a Straight Face, Apple Charges $200 for 1GB of RAM, 200GB of HD Space in New Mac Minis
And here I was thinking a new Mac Mini was out today and at a $200 price point! Thanks for the disappointment Giz.
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ScottRose
03/03/09

@cyberwiz01:

I own no Apple products, and generally am not a fan.

But to be fair I just checked Dell's upgrade pricing, and they are charging $80 for an extra gig of RAM, and $80 for an extra 250 gig of HD space on the Vostro line.

In general their upgrade prices are absurd as well. I have bought Dells, but I always buy the minimum specs I can and then upgrade the RAM and disk myself.

I think for once Apple's pricing here is in parity with other companies.
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Anthony Chilelli
03/03/09

In reply to With a Straight Face, Apple Charges $200 for 1GB of RAM, 200GB of HD Space in New Mac Minis
Second!!!!
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Bearded Rapper
03/03/09

@Anthony Chilelli: FAIL. BTW, fuck off moron.
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Zefir
03/03/09

@Bearded Rapper: I don't think he meant post wise, actually. I think he actually seconds the opinion in the article. Of course, the way he showed it is idiotic either way.
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GitEmSteveDave_DefinesTurgid
03/03/09

@Zefir: I have to agree. Adam asked if he was the only one, which invites someone to "second" his opinion.
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Hello Mister Walrus
03/03/09

@WhatStockMarket?_GitEmSteveDave: That's what it looks like. However, this person just posted "THIRD" in another article, so I'm skeptical. Also, I feel the need to rag on someone with such a douchey facebook picture.
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Sora57 is rendering
03/03/09

@Hello Mister Walrus: Exactly. Antchil, what's the purpose of posting THIRD on the other article??
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soggy_cheerio
11/10/08

In reply to Hey New York Times! Fix Your Stupid iPhone App
I think I found your problem. You're reading the NYTimes.

This is exactly the kind of crap that shouldn't be in the AppStore. A native app for this is totally unnecessary. It'd be a perfectly usable webapp.
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