@EBone: Well, considering it's a real world problem, I don't even know how to reply to your ignorance, except to tell you to go to San Francisco in the summer time, when they used to have a cooling wind coming down from the mountains.
You know we can't get energy for free, right? Hydroelectric power reduces water flow and causes the destruction of wildlife both upstream and downstream. Solar power has local heating problems that CANNOT be fixed, and massive wind farms destroy the natural heat transfer created by wind patterns. #gizmodoremainders
@exoren22: You really believe that the turbine blades take the wind "away"? That the wind doesn't turn the blades and keep on blowing past, over, and around the blades?
@EBone: I think he's actually right, but he's blowing it way out of proportion. It's more on the same scale of dumping a bottle of filtered water into a lake to change the pH. #gizmodoremainders
@EBone: exoren22 is right though I don't know to what degree. Conservation of energy means there is no free ride and no perpetual motion machines. Just like a hydroelectric dam can slow a river to a trickle, wind farms use the wind to do work, thus depleting some of the kinetic energy in that wind. But once again, I have no idea of the total energy of the wind or how much energy is extracted so I could not testify to the effect.
@runamok1001: Do yourself a favor and look at an isobar map of the United States. They measure pressure gradients. Wind is generated when air moves from high pressure areas to low pressure areas.
Isobar front lines are hundreds to thousands of miles long. Wind projects don't even show up on the scale we're talking about here. It would be the equivalent of trying to stop the Mississippi River with a 2x4. #gizmodoremainders
Grandpa bikes excluded (upright riding), a bike seat needs only provide support to the bony part of your bottom while minimizing interference and chaffing with your thighs. This is why racing seats look so terrible, but are actually quite comfortable. This seat seems to give you a choice of supporting your weight on your anus or testicles. #gizmodoremainders
@92BuickLeSabre: Mmm... Gotta love those post-windfarm mornings, with the surreal pink mist of pigeon guts over Manhattan, and little feet and feathers falling to the streets below... #gizmodoremainders
@92BuickLeSabre: a wind turbine of the vertical axis variety, about the size of a water tower, would probably do very well at both generating electricity and getting rid of pesky pigeons. And properly designed it could also have a receptacle for the remains so that they could be put to good use. Then we'd have cheap electricity and we wouldn't have to make soylent green out of people anymore.
@The Lab: yeah, the first pic looks like it makes some sense, but then you realize there's almost no leg extension (which means no power). Cool look though. #gizmodoremainders
I'm proud to say that 252 megawatts of that new power was developed, constructed, and is managed by my company. In case you're curious, that's enough energy for about 100,000 homes annually.
Wait, this can't be true! We became #1 in Wind Power production while Dubyah was in office! But, that's not right! Awwww people of Sherwood Forest we've been had, bamboozled, flimflammed... We didn't land on wind power, wind power landed on us.
This is great news! Obama is going to DOUBLE the production of renewables...so in the next few years it's going to be very promising, slowly releasing our thirst for oil.
I just can't wait for a time when electricity and clean energy are rife, clean air....mmmmmm. Knowing that using energy is not damaging anything, so i can use things without any 'guilt'.....twenty years from now the world will be a very different place, especially when considering China is making HUGE efforts to come out of the recession in a 'green' way
@Luke Thornton: People keep talking about reducing the thirst for oil, but there really aren't enough electric powered vehicles on the market to do this, or even coming to market in the next 4 years.
Most plants are coal or natural gas powered in the US. Not OIL powered anyway.
I think you mean cleaner energy sources here. It's going to be a LONG time until we're really off of oil.
But, what about the noise pollution from windmills? Or, you know, the fact that they kill birds? Even wind power isn't perfect here.
I'm glad we're pursuing alternative fuel sources, but I can tell you that ethanol is a sham and yet another way to starve poor people.
@Lite: must go faster.: OK, seriously. If a bird can't spot a whirling 150 foot blade, perhaps it's good we eliminate that bird. It seems that's the kind of bird who would ignore a plane flying at it until it gets sucked into the engine.
I just saw our governor giving some line about how she's going to set it up so that everyone in Michigan can sell solar power back to the power companies. And I though to myself...so what will we do the other nine months of the year?
@Lite: shops smart. He shops at S-Mart.: In Michigan, we have these things called "clouds". That and the blanket of snow that's likely to be covering the solar panels during the winter months means that solar panels are pretty much just a fancy way to dress up your roof for most of the year. I understand the whole thing with being able to sell excess home-generated power back to the company (and indeed, I didn't think it required a new law for that to work). It's just that solar power would be a lot more cost-effective if we were, say, a desert. Wind-power would make more sense, especially given how much coastline we have, but people don't like having those things parked in their backyards.
No, the only way you're likely to be able to sell solar power back to the power company while living in Michigan is if you cover every square inch of your property in solar panels and go on vacation for most of the summer. Otherwise it'll just cut down on your power bill a little bit.
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You know we can't get energy for free, right? Hydroelectric power reduces water flow and causes the destruction of wildlife both upstream and downstream. Solar power has local heating problems that CANNOT be fixed, and massive wind farms destroy the natural heat transfer created by wind patterns. #gizmodoremainders
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Isobar front lines are hundreds to thousands of miles long. Wind projects don't even show up on the scale we're talking about here. It would be the equivalent of trying to stop the Mississippi River with a 2x4. #gizmodoremainders
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I just can't wait for a time when electricity and clean energy are rife, clean air....mmmmmm. Knowing that using energy is not damaging anything, so i can use things without any 'guilt'.....twenty years from now the world will be a very different place, especially when considering China is making HUGE efforts to come out of the recession in a 'green' way
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Most plants are coal or natural gas powered in the US. Not OIL powered anyway.
I think you mean cleaner energy sources here. It's going to be a LONG time until we're really off of oil.
But, what about the noise pollution from windmills? Or, you know, the fact that they kill birds? Even wind power isn't perfect here.
I'm glad we're pursuing alternative fuel sources, but I can tell you that ethanol is a sham and yet another way to starve poor people.
What we need, is energy from space!
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In Michigan, we have these things called "clouds". That and the blanket of snow that's likely to be covering the solar panels during the winter months means that solar panels are pretty much just a fancy way to dress up your roof for most of the year. I understand the whole thing with being able to sell excess home-generated power back to the company (and indeed, I didn't think it required a new law for that to work). It's just that solar power would be a lot more cost-effective if we were, say, a desert. Wind-power would make more sense, especially given how much coastline we have, but people don't like having those things parked in their backyards.
No, the only way you're likely to be able to sell solar power back to the power company while living in Michigan is if you cover every square inch of your property in solar panels and go on vacation for most of the summer. Otherwise it'll just cut down on your power bill a little bit.
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