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    12/11/09

    In reply to Don't Wait Up for Windows Mobile 7
    Dammit.
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    Image of Kaiser-Machead Kaiser-Machead
    12/11/09

    In reply to Don't Wait Up for Windows Mobile 7
    If Android's current growth is any indication, by late next year, Microsoft won't have a leg to stand on to wait that long. Android's app pool will be far larger, newer better handsets will be sporting newer, improved versions and their install base will be well-planted in droidsville. Windows Mobile will lose relevance a wee bit more, and Microsoft's hopes to regain foothold may no longer be determined by how good the OS is.

    I think it bears repeating that the Zune HD is a prime example of what being late and lazy does to good products.
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    Edited by Kaiser-Machead at 12/11/09 8:12 PM Kaiser-Machead was starred Kaiser-Machead was unstarred
    Image of DustyButt™ DustyButt™
    12/11/09

    @Kaiser-Machead: What better way to cut ties with a widely panned mobile OS than by announcing it's long, slow death. I think this is the plan to attempt a "fresh" start for the birth of the "Windows Phone" by sending WM7 on a separate trajectory.

    But, you're right... They can't drag things out it only makes the hole they've dug for themselves deeper.
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    Image of DustyButt™ DustyButt™
    12/11/09

    In reply to Don't Wait Up for Windows Mobile 7
    MS has officially tapped out.They had plenty of time to put something together. What's it been, almost two years since they announced that they were working on WM7. You can stick a fork in their mobile hopes... if they had any.

    The only other thing I can think of is that they're pushing back "WM7" but the "Windows Phone" will be their (much earlier to be released) platform.
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    Edited by DustyButt™ at 12/11/09 7:46 PM DustyButt™ was starred DustyButt™ was unstarred
    Image of Nathan Obbards Nathan Obbards
    12/11/09

    In reply to Don't Wait Up for Windows Mobile 7
    I'm not one to usually say this, but, seriously, MS, just give up already. Android is tanning your ass and geeks love it, BB OS is still loved and does great in the business world, OS X mobile is sweeping up amongst hipsters, fanboys, and, increasingly, business people. Short of creating a revolutionary phone OS that literally integrates every facet of your life or one similar to the Zune HD, there is no way that you'll retake that market share you've been pissing away. Focus on the other products that are done so well, like the 360 software, the Zune HD, the Courier concept, and W7.
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    Image of Raziel Raziel
    12/11/09

    @Nathan Obbards: I thought WinMo 7 was based on the Zune HD.
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    Image of Nathan Obbards Nathan Obbards
    12/11/09

    @Raziel: My understanding is that they share a similar core, but markedly different executions.
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    Image of beercheck beercheck
    12/09/09

    In reply to Skyfire 1.5 Brings More Speed, Less Ugly
    Still doesn't recognize my accelerometer for switching to landscape mode. Otherwise, nice update.
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    Image of Dr. Evil Genius is eagerly anticipating the Year of the Black Rainbow Dr. Evil Genius is eagerly anticipating the Year of the Black Rainbow
    12/09/09

    In reply to Skyfire 1.5 Brings More Speed, Less Ugly
    Hopefully, this helps:

    I am using Skyfire 1.5 on my Sprint Touch Pro 2 while posting this comment.

    It took a little working around just to sign in to Giz but I was able to get on and stay on.

    IE Mobile and Opera Mobile do not work with Giz/Gawk like this edition of Skyfire.

    For now, I say 'thumbs up'.
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    Image of ninja in pajamas ninja in pajamas
    12/09/09

    @Dr. Evil Genius has learned that MILF stands for Moro Islamic Liberation Front: Hey Doc, dunno if you have tried signing into Giz on Opera Mini, but it works flawlessly on there. Also commenting from skyfire. I'm lucky enough to have not had any issues signing in on here.
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    Image of Dr. Evil Genius is eagerly anticipating the Year of the Black Rainbow Dr. Evil Genius is eagerly anticipating the Year of the Black Rainbow
    12/09/09

    @ninja in pajamas: I have tried with Opera Mobile 9.5 but the browser automatically goes to the mobile version of the site. When I went to the "Full Site", it never shows the 'login' link at all.

    This has been my experience using Opera Mobile. Is there a difference between Opera Mobile and Mini?
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    Image of ninja in pajamas ninja in pajamas
    12/09/09

    @Dr. Evil Genius has learned that MILF stands for Moro Islamic Liberation Front: Also, mini tends to load pages much faster since the work is done on Operas end much like skyfire. It will still default to the mobile site, but generally has no major issues when you go to the full version.c
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    Image of Nick Nick
    12/09/09

    In reply to Skyfire 1.5 Brings More Speed, Less Ugly
    soooo, for those not in the loop -- what platform is skyfire for?
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    Image of Davy Grolton Davy Grolton
    12/09/09

    @Nick: Windows Mobile. I believe anything 6.1 and above.

    I had the beta on my moto Q back in the day, and it was wonderful.
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    12/09/09

    @Davy Grolton: yeah, i eventually clicked through. i didn't see a windows button on the handset pictured and thought maybe android.
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    Image of Dr. Evil Genius is eagerly anticipating the Year of the Black Rainbow Dr. Evil Genius is eagerly anticipating the Year of the Black Rainbow
    12/09/09

    @Davy Grolton: Not to be a detail-nazi but I believe that this download is compatible with WinMo 5.0 and higher for all those very, very late adopters.
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    Image of Davy Grolton Davy Grolton
    12/09/09

    @Dr. Evil Genius has learned that MILF stands for Moro Islamic Liberation Front: Yup. Just checked. Available for WM 5.0 - 6.5. Also available for symbian S60 3rd edition.

    It's a terrific little browser. Definately worth it if you're running WM or S60.
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    Image of Jack_Burton Jack_Burton
    12/07/09

    In reply to It's Time To Make Phone OSes Work On Any Phone
    WebOS, iPhone OS, and Android are all *NIX with HTML and Javascript on top. Except for Windows Mobile, most of the smartphone market has some form of *NIX / Java blend.

    VMware would really shake things up if it blurred the barriers of hardware. I don't think the carriers will go for it, though. Handset vendors won't care as much, except Apple, whose whole game is "the total user experience" anyway.
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    Image of QuarterToTomorrow QuarterToTomorrow
    12/08/09

    @Jack_Burton: While webOS and Android run on top of the Linux kernel and iPhone OS is Darwin (way waaay down), this doesn't mean they're compatible. As far as I'm aware, none of them are Posix compliant, they all run completely different toolchains and userlands, and apps are written in JavaScript on webOS, Java on Android and Objective-C on iPhone.

    (nb Java != JavaScript)
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    Image of Jack_Burton Jack_Burton
    12/08/09

    @QuarterToTomorrow: I never said they were compatible, just that they had similar components in their underlying architecture. Have you ever used VMWare? It's a hardware abstraction layer that goes between the device and the host OS.

    My point is that VMWare would have less work to do as far as supporting basic I/O since it would be piping in a manner similar in all 3 OSes. They are more similar than dissimilar.
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    Image of something_unique_and_descriptive something_unique_and_descriptive
    12/07/09

    In reply to It's Time To Make Phone OSes Work On Any Phone
    As long as the devices are dependent on carrier distribution it's not going to happen. As it is right now if you want WinMo and Android, you buy two phones, they subsidize one (which locks you into a contract) and then sell you the second for additional profit.

    There are so many things f**ked the hell up with the wireless industry the ability to load your own OS barely even registers on the radar. How about we start by getting the carriers to discount service for those of us whose devices they aren't subsidizing. Once that happens buying unlocked becomes a much better value proposition, then with the carriers, and their desire for artificial market segmentation, out of the way a multi-boot smartphone might be possible.

    People from the FCC / congress, if you're reading this, make it happen.
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    Image of Mikestan Mikestan
    12/07/09

    In reply to It's Time To Make Phone OSes Work On Any Phone
    I think the Corporate Gods learned their lesson from computers and there is no way in hell they are going to give you "freedom" with their mobile phones
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    Image of blash blash
    12/07/09

    In reply to It's Time To Make Phone OSes Work On Any Phone
    Honestly I just don't know why no one has hacked the Android OS to run on the iPhone. Would seem like a no-brainer, right? Android is open-source, geek-oriented, and the iPhone is ubiquitous enough to merit serious 3rd party free-unlocking and pirate app support (and by pirate here I don't mean piracy, I mean not sanctioned by Apple).
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    Image of microlithx microlithx
    12/07/09

    @blash:
    The iPhone's hardware precludes the loading of other OSes. One of the core means of doing this is via booting from a microSD card which the iPhone famously lacks.
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    Image of blash blash
    12/07/09

    @microlithx: Yeah but hackers have been able to access everything from root to the baseband. If they can do all that, why can't they boot something that lets them write new firmware to allow them to boot a new OS off the included storage? Is there some part of the iPhone that still hasn't been torn apart in software in some way?
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    Image of Kaiser-Machead Kaiser-Machead
    12/07/09

    In reply to It's Time To Make Phone OSes Work On Any Phone
    Having handsets that actually work well with their respective OS's is more important, in my opinion, than the choices available of the OS+hardware combo. Far too many phones I've tried out did not work all that well to begin with, and having more options per phone won't exactly cure that.
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    Image of Software_Goddess Software_Goddess
    12/07/09

    In reply to It's Time To Make Phone OSes Work On Any Phone
    *Claps, nods head* Speechless.
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    Image of OCEntertainment OCEntertainment
    12/07/09

    In reply to It's Time To Make Phone OSes Work On Any Phone
    I don't necessarily think I'm with you on this one, John, but I do think that I will be in a couple of years.

    Thing is, as fast as we can get some of our phones to move, they are all slow. I mean, compared to desktop space, where you can fly through the internet, download videos in a flash (pun totally intended). I am not in the least bit interested in seeing how Android would run on the specs of a current phone if it had to include a bunch of software to support the myriad of hardware that's out there now. Maybe it won't be too much longer before hardware gets crazy fast, but as long as we're still measuring CPU speeds in "OMG! 1GHZ?!", I'd rather wait it out.

    I think you're dead on in a lot of what it's going to take to get there....but when I think back to what the software world was like when my desktop ran on a 600 Mhz processor and 256 MB of RAM, I'm less than inclines to think I want anything but a specialized, heavily tweaked, custom-built piece of software running on my phone. Some of the improvements have come from faster software, sure, but I think we owe a good deal of faster desktops now to faster hardware.

    In the long run, I am right there with you. And I think it deserves the call to action now that it will take to get there someday. But I don't think I'd want to see what that would look like in 2010.
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    Image of Die Fledermaus Die Fledermaus
    12/07/09

    In reply to It's Time To Make Phone OSes Work On Any Phone
    While the idea has some merit, most mobile OS are hardware centric. Much of the reason of that is to keep them small and running the best they can. While Android shows the most possibility for cross platform adaptability, it is still tweaked for the hardware it is on. I believe that smart portable technology is still in its infancy and the power to take that sort of step is several generations away as was stated in the blog. What I would like to see is a very customizable OS again Android shows promise. An OS where the icons the layout the whole look could be adapted for the needs of the user. a very amorphous interface.
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