I'm just begging the cell phones gods that they let this phone sell horribly so that HTC has considers throwing some Android love its way. That and if AT&T would pick it up as its first Android handset. *runs to bed side, falls to knees, and prays*
I don't understand this review. You say that HTC's replaced everything. So then is the replacement good? Where's the software review? Do you enjoy using the device? Past reviews have examined the earlier versions of TF3D, why not this?
All that's done is to gloss over the software ("it's all HTC") without saying anything +ve or -ve about it, and the end with "It's still Windows Mobile."
SO FREAKING WHAT? If the fact that the OS is Windows Mobile presents a problem, would it be so hard to point out what that problem is?
Don't point to the 6.5 review, for two reasons. 1) That review was criticizing 6.5 for not being as much as it could/should be at this point, not that much of inspecting what's actually there on its own merit, but more importantly 2) Don't point to that review because you say HTC covers up everything!
This review had very little to say, starts out in biased tone, and ends with the assumption that "it's Windows Mobile" explains everything. #htctouchhd2review
Ok, I usually ignore posts bad mouthing Microsoft and polishing Apple's... apples on Gizmodo.
But let me ask this one thing John, and I'll ask for something really hard here: if you completely forget HTC Touch HD2 has WinMo running under the UI how bad the software is compared to a similar Android phone or the iPhone?
Because seriously, trolling and fanboyism apart, for someone reading this post alone, there is absolutely no real information that tells us why we should consider the software on the cellphone bad.
Being able to replace all basic functions on a OS could be viewed as "trying to hide it", but it could also be seen as the OS being highly customizable.
Lots of portable devices and computers uses highly customized Linux versions, and that's usually not because the manufacturer is trying to hide something... it's only trying to give it a different look to offer the users a fresh or more adequate UI to fit the hardware.
Now, I'm guessing WinMo 6.5 is worse on benchmark, functions, bugs or whatever to justify that bias. Can't think of nothing else. And I'm really hoping there is a better reason for this review other than pure trolling. #htctouchhd2review
I also harbor a strong dislike for standard Windows Mobile, but if HTC covered up Winmo's interface beyond the first few panels and managed to get it to run smoothly, I'm willing to overlook all of those things, so long as it's not dependent on the stylus in any way (do not want).
How much of an improvement would you say HTC's retelling of WinMo is over the standard version on other phones? #htctouchhd2review
@imTheKing: That's possible, but I think that HTC's take on reskinning Windows Mobile looks pretty enticing. My primary complaint with prior versions of this was that it was more superficial, but it seems that HTC is dedicated to redesigning it as much as they can. If they can do it right and have the underpinnings of WM, you get the support of all of those apps, but none of what some people really did not like about the OS in the first place.
Frankly, I'm not all that convinced that Android is really ready to take over in all respects anyway. #htctouchhd2review
After reading this, it left me confused. Most of the article was talking about the amazing hardware. Then it finally gets to the hated part(Windows Mobile) but doesn't really state any problems with it and just says that it's bad that it has it. Then the only negative is "it's still Windows Mobile", rather than any actual specific problems with the device.
In fact it sounds like everything went perfectly smoothly in the actual implementation but the fact that it ran Windows Mobile(which has 0 effect on the actual experience) in the background was used as a negative.
I don't care one way or the other if you don't like WinMo(I use Android myself) but at least give the reasons why it lowers the quality of the phone by stating problems experienced, areas where the UI gets killed, etc. As is, it was made to sound like the god phone that you(the author) hates for no reason whatsoever. #htctouchhd2review
@MarcusMaximus: You can just search WinMo and look at the full review. Why should they rewrite it every single time they post an article? #htctouchhd2review
@imTheKing: "With Sense HTC has made a sort of meta-OS, which uses Windows Mobile 6.5 as a behind-the-scenes stagehand, which only shows its face when it absolutely needs to."
That's why. If it has little to no effect on the actual user experience then it means absolutely nothing. I'm not asking him to say why he dislikes winmo, but how and where those facets he does dislike show themselves in this phone. If they don't, then the fact that it has winmo doesn't matter at all and it's back to sounding like it does now: This phone is amazing in every way. #htctouchhd2review
@imTheKing: What bothers me about this particular review is that there's no attempt to compare it to any other operating system.
This is the first time Windows Mobile has been on hardware this advanced, and HTC has (from all accounts) done a bang-up job of making sure you don't see the underlying operating system, but it seems like the author is pissed that HTC isn't going to do an official Android port, and is taking it out on the device.
I mean, isn't it a net WIN (pardon the pun) when the good things you have to say about the Sense UI include "surprisingly usable", "works surprisingly well" and "impressive", while the only concrete negative (besides vitriol about WinMo in general) about this handset in particular is that the Sense UI is "only marginally effective" at hiding WinMo.
That's not a review of the software, that's just kinda lazy. At least compare the usability of the Sense UI on this hardware to something like Android 2.0 on the Droid. #htctouchhd2review
@Hobolicious: So the end of the story is basically that HTC is trying to cover up WinMo as much as possible. That should explain it all no? #htctouchhd2review
The third paragraph that was added in the "Falling Out of Lust with the HD2" section addressed the bulk of my problems with the review as originally written.
Now I know WHY the Sense UI doesn't particularly cut the mustard. #htctouchhd2review
@NyC88Rican: Thanks, I remember that from my CS days. Since I've been in the real world working, haven't had to use 1337 in a while... appreciate the brushup ;) #htctouchhd2review
I've been wondering this as well, since Sense runs so good why not just replace the whole Windows experience? HTC has the manpower to bang out their own OS, or just use Android as an underpinning. #htctouchhd2review
@KassiaHaoe: this comment, by essence of including the mobile OS that shall not be named, has been rated a 1 out of a lot more. poor form, sir. #htctouchhd2review
the iPhone has had an incredible head start at this point. I'd love to hear the sales pitch to someone who walks into a store to buy an iPhone and they walk out with an HD2.
The HD2 is an amazing piece of hardware... but it's still gonna compete with that pesky iPhone... #htctouchhd2review
@Michael Scrip: No it won't. In a business environment the iPhone is pretty much ignored in favour of Blackberry and WinMo devices. Yes, you will find businessmen with an iPhone but they've probably got a Blackberry or whatever flavour of the month WinMo phone came out 6 months ago in their other pocket. #htctouchhd2review
@Thee Sea: That was the case, and sure it, but I'm starting to see a surprising shift. I was at a VC/Entrepreneur dinner last week and they had all the iPhone users hold up their handsets. I couldn't believe the number of C(E,T,F,M)O's that we're carrying iPhones around. Of course they may have been carrying a Blackberries too... but still. #htctouchhd2review
Well that's a different argument altogether. Business vs. Consumer.
Companies have their own reasons for choosing either Windows Mobile for Exchange support or BES for enterprise Blackberry support.
But, the iPhone is a consumer device... that plays music, movies, apps, games, etc... and it can *also* check corporate email.
So, again, I still don't think the HD2 will be an iPhone killer. Do you really think there will be 30 million HD2s sold in 3 years? Doubtful. Are there over 30 million Windows Mobile platform devices in the world... in companies who already use Exchange in their corporations? Probably.
Interesting theory about the blurring line between critics and customers, Wilson. But is it right?
If the Nokia's smartphones are generally dismissed by critics yet still capture a plurality of the marketshare, that kind of suggests your theory is wrong.
Stepping back from cold reality, I think there will always be a distinction between the critic (professional or otherwise) and the rest of the customer base. We go to critics and reviewers for many things because there is too much choice in this world and not enough time. The Internet doesn't change this. And if people unerringly followed the advice of critics, Michael Bay would be out of a job. #steveballmer
Odd, considering their latest Windows 7 ad blitz consists of nothing but a cute tiny asian kid quoting all the great things critics are saying about Windows. (Including Gizmodo, at least in the original version of the commercial.) #steveballmer
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All that's done is to gloss over the software ("it's all HTC") without saying anything +ve or -ve about it, and the end with "It's still Windows Mobile."
SO FREAKING WHAT? If the fact that the OS is Windows Mobile presents a problem, would it be so hard to point out what that problem is?
Don't point to the 6.5 review, for two reasons. 1) That review was criticizing 6.5 for not being as much as it could/should be at this point, not that much of inspecting what's actually there on its own merit, but more importantly 2) Don't point to that review because you say HTC covers up everything!
This review had very little to say, starts out in biased tone, and ends with the assumption that "it's Windows Mobile" explains everything. #htctouchhd2review
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But let me ask this one thing John, and I'll ask for something really hard here: if you completely forget HTC Touch HD2 has WinMo running under the UI how bad the software is compared to a similar Android phone or the iPhone?
Because seriously, trolling and fanboyism apart, for someone reading this post alone, there is absolutely no real information that tells us why we should consider the software on the cellphone bad.
Being able to replace all basic functions on a OS could be viewed as "trying to hide it", but it could also be seen as the OS being highly customizable.
Lots of portable devices and computers uses highly customized Linux versions, and that's usually not because the manufacturer is trying to hide something... it's only trying to give it a different look to offer the users a fresh or more adequate UI to fit the hardware.
Now, I'm guessing WinMo 6.5 is worse on benchmark, functions, bugs or whatever to justify that bias. Can't think of nothing else. And I'm really hoping there is a better reason for this review other than pure trolling. #htctouchhd2review
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How much of an improvement would you say HTC's retelling of WinMo is over the standard version on other phones? #htctouchhd2review
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Frankly, I'm not all that convinced that Android is really ready to take over in all respects anyway. #htctouchhd2review
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In fact it sounds like everything went perfectly smoothly in the actual implementation but the fact that it ran Windows Mobile(which has 0 effect on the actual experience) in the background was used as a negative.
I don't care one way or the other if you don't like WinMo(I use Android myself) but at least give the reasons why it lowers the quality of the phone by stating problems experienced, areas where the UI gets killed, etc. As is, it was made to sound like the god phone that you(the author) hates for no reason whatsoever. #htctouchhd2review
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That's why. If it has little to no effect on the actual user experience then it means absolutely nothing. I'm not asking him to say why he dislikes winmo, but how and where those facets he does dislike show themselves in this phone. If they don't, then the fact that it has winmo doesn't matter at all and it's back to sounding like it does now: This phone is amazing in every way. #htctouchhd2review
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This is the first time Windows Mobile has been on hardware this advanced, and HTC has (from all accounts) done a bang-up job of making sure you don't see the underlying operating system, but it seems like the author is pissed that HTC isn't going to do an official Android port, and is taking it out on the device.
I mean, isn't it a net WIN (pardon the pun) when the good things you have to say about the Sense UI include "surprisingly usable", "works surprisingly well" and "impressive", while the only concrete negative (besides vitriol about WinMo in general) about this handset in particular is that the Sense UI is "only marginally effective" at hiding WinMo.
That's not a review of the software, that's just kinda lazy. At least compare the usability of the Sense UI on this hardware to something like Android 2.0 on the Droid. #htctouchhd2review
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The third paragraph that was added in the "Falling Out of Lust with the HD2" section addressed the bulk of my problems with the review as originally written.
Now I know WHY the Sense UI doesn't particularly cut the mustard. #htctouchhd2review
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And leet or "Elite" just means, really really good. #htctouchhd2review
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Other Windows Mobile phone killer.
the iPhone has had an incredible head start at this point. I'd love to hear the sales pitch to someone who walks into a store to buy an iPhone and they walk out with an HD2.
The HD2 is an amazing piece of hardware... but it's still gonna compete with that pesky iPhone... #htctouchhd2review
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Make calls without sucking. #htctouchhd2review
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Well that's a different argument altogether. Business vs. Consumer.
Companies have their own reasons for choosing either Windows Mobile for Exchange support or BES for enterprise Blackberry support.
But, the iPhone is a consumer device... that plays music, movies, apps, games, etc... and it can *also* check corporate email.
So, again, I still don't think the HD2 will be an iPhone killer. Do you really think there will be 30 million HD2s sold in 3 years? Doubtful. Are there over 30 million Windows Mobile platform devices in the world... in companies who already use Exchange in their corporations? Probably.
But that's not the measure of an iPhone killer... #htctouchhd2review
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"Balls-out with Balmer." #steveballmer
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If the Nokia's smartphones are generally dismissed by critics yet still capture a plurality of the marketshare, that kind of suggests your theory is wrong.
Stepping back from cold reality, I think there will always be a distinction between the critic (professional or otherwise) and the rest of the customer base. We go to critics and reviewers for many things because there is too much choice in this world and not enough time. The Internet doesn't change this. And if people unerringly followed the advice of critics, Michael Bay would be out of a job. #steveballmer
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