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    Image of Gary_7vn Gary_7vn
    01:39 AM

    In reply to "We Fight for Freedom, and Windows Vista Is F*cking Us Up"
    What's wrong with Excel? Vista we know about, but Excel has to be one of the most stable, useful, if totally boring applications out there. I don't think Excel has ever crashed on me, and I have used 600k lines of data using Pivot Tables.
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    Image of Xeno Xeno
    12:23 AM

    In reply to "We Fight for Freedom, and Windows Vista Is F*cking Us Up"
    So he should hate ATI or that his IT guys suck. It's not a Vista problem.
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    Image of Sandeep Murali Sandeep Murali
    12/10/09

    In reply to "We Fight for Freedom, and Windows Vista Is F*cking Us Up"
    I don't fight for freedom, but I do some pretty demanding graphic-related tasks on my Vista comp. No BSODs, ever. Now granted, I have an nvidia card and not ATI, but even if it had a screwy driver, how is that vista's fault? A driver that AMD coded and deployed for consumer use is somehow Microsoft's wrongdoing?

    You say that a work order (Even one created through someone in another country) can take weeks to materialize. Say, how many weeks have passed since Vista came out?
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    Image of Pookiewood Pookiewood
    12/10/09

    @Sandeep Murali: Yeah it is MS's Problem just like when a memory stick goes bad or you have a declining CPU that half works and gives you blue screens. Totally MS's fault!
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    Image of gdlla96 gdlla96
    12/10/09

    @Sandeep Murali: UMMM... Actually it's both ATI's fault and Microsoft's fault. ATI for the faulty driver, and Microsoft for making their OS so susceptible to a bad driver that it crashes the whole system.
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    Image of Sandeep Murali Sandeep Murali
    12/10/09

    @gdlla96: You don't really know what a BSOD is and how Operating systems work, do you?

    "The Blue Screen of Death (also known as a stop error, BSoD, bluescreen, or Blue Screen of Doom) is a colloquialism used for the error screen displayed by some operating systems, most notably Microsoft Windows, after encountering a critical system error that can cause the system to shut down to prevent irreversible damage to the system's integrity. It serves to present information for diagnostic purposes that was collected as the operating system issued a bug check."

    Enlighten yourself:

    [en.wikipedia.org]
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    Image of KyleHuff KyleHuff
    12/10/09

    @gdlla96: The video drivers must run in kernel mode for performance reasons, and once that is allowed, MS really can't do shit to stop them from BSODding the machine.
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    Sandeep Murali promoted this comment KyleHuff was starred KyleHuff was unstarred
    Image of MrEvil MrEvil
    12/10/09

    In reply to "We Fight for Freedom, and Windows Vista Is F*cking Us Up"
    I bet the DoD outsourced their IT to EDS. And seriously EDS sucks. I've had to do on-site contract work for them and their outsourced techs over in India are as illiterate as you can get. They speak English, but they don't seem to comprehend English. You'd think the Military of all organizations would make sure that all IT was in-house and staffed with Americans that have passed a Top Secret clearance. The Department of Energy doesn't outsource anything at nuclear facilities and all IT personnel have to have a "Q" clearance (DoE equivalent of Top Secret). I mean there's plenty of quality IT people in this country needing work and third party contractors are outsourcing all those jobs to the developing world to a bunch of people that just read from a prompt all day.
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    Image of blash blash
    12/10/09

    @MrEvil: There's plenty of quality IT people but not nearly enough with the requisite clearance levels. You try to get a job when you don't have clearance, good luck without having any connections. You try to get a job and you already have clearance, there's literally very long lists of employers eagerly snapping people up. It takes well over a year for the clearance process to take place, you need a job offer in hand to get it started, and most people can't wait that long.
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    Image of UberJumper UberJumper
    12/10/09

    In reply to "We Fight for Freedom, and Windows Vista Is F*cking Us Up"
    Wait, this guy's got a multi-monitor rig, and he's setup most likely with an extended desktop. Why is the blue screen showing on all three monitors? It should only show on one should it not (when my multi monitor rigs get bluescreens, usually the BSOD's only on the primary monitor). Example here (not me): [www.revenuerobot.com]

    I've gotten a few rare BSOD's on my multiple display Vista box, and I only recall seeing the BSOD on the primary monitor. My XP multiple display system only shows the BSOD on one monitor.

    Is one one his co-workers pranking him with a Bluescreen Screensaver? [lifehacker.com]
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    Image of Segador Segador
    12/10/09

    In reply to "We Fight for Freedom, and Windows Vista Is F*cking Us Up"
    As someone who works on DoD systems every day, what surprises me the most is that this member felt comfortable posting details of his command's IT problems on a public gadget blog.
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    Image of mazwoz mazwoz
    12/10/09

    @Segador: I completely agree. I am an Airman in our great Air force and I am quite displeased to see this on a public website.
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    Image of Yerzriknot Yerzriknot
    12/10/09

    In reply to "We Fight for Freedom, and Windows Vista Is F*cking Us Up"
    I for one have a problem with our national security being in Vista's hands.
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    Image of Deckard Deckard
    12/10/09

    In reply to "We Fight for Freedom, and Windows Vista Is F*cking Us Up"
    Doesn't sound like a Vista problem to me. Hopefully they can get this corrected, and no lives are lost. I wonder if they lack admin rights on their machines, hence the inability to make corrections themselves? If this is a life or death situation there has to be an escalation process. This post has me worried about the state of our military and safety of our men & women.
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    Edited by Deckard at 12/10/09 6:04 PM Deckard was starred Deckard was unstarred
    Image of Shamoononon: I shave my legs. Shamoononon: I shave my legs.
    12/10/09

    In reply to "We Fight for Freedom, and Windows Vista Is F*cking Us Up"
    And 90% seems quite a bit exaggerated... A lot of it runs on *ix systems.
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    Shamoononon: I shave my legs. was starred Shamoononon: I shave my legs. was unstarred
    Image of Shamoononon: I shave my legs. Shamoononon: I shave my legs.
    12/10/09

    In reply to "We Fight for Freedom, and Windows Vista Is F*cking Us Up"
    I have so much to say about this, yet so little desire.

    Good luck guy.

    *grimace*
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    Shamoononon: I shave my legs. was starred Shamoononon: I shave my legs. was unstarred
    Image of Segador Segador
    12/10/09

    @Shamoononon: I shave my legs.: Lol. I have so much to say about this, but so many documents preventing me from doing so.
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    Image of Hiphopopotamus Hiphopopotamus
    12/10/09

    In reply to "We Fight for Freedom, and Windows Vista Is F*cking Us Up"
    Our technical problems go through a help desk in another country too... and I am fighting an equally important battle for freedom in Azeroth, dammit!
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    Image of something_unique_and_descriptive something_unique_and_descriptive
    12/10/09

    In reply to "We Fight for Freedom, and Windows Vista Is F*cking Us Up"
    I love how everyone assumes that because his IT request has to go through another country the USAF is outsourcing its support. There are AF bases all over the planet, it many different countries... we don't know where he's stationed. That "other country" could be the US or a regional command.

    That said, I'm amazed that this sort of thing was allowed to happen in the first place. I did some work with a government contractor back in 2005 during their migration to Windows XP. "But wait," you say, "XP was released in 2001!" Yes, it was, they spent FOUR YEARS doing compatibility testing to make sure that A) Sh*t like this wouldn't happen, and B) All of their specialized and in-house deved apps would work properly.

    These machines should have been tested for stability, including driver load, before they ever even thought about deploying them. The fact that whoever's supplying these machines to the USAF (I'm guessing Dell or HP) isn't even doing the sort of basic testing on these machines set for Military service that I do on ones destined to sit on a store counter is disgraceful.
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    Image of Dr. Evil Genius is eagerly anticipating the Year of the Black Rainbow Dr. Evil Genius is eagerly anticipating the Year of the Black Rainbow
    12/10/09

    In reply to "We Fight for Freedom, and Windows Vista Is F*cking Us Up"
    "...currently using a Excel spreadsheet to control critical information on our fighter jets."

    The balance of freedom is at stake when he decides whether or not to save the latest changes.

    Very scary.
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    Image of m4ximusprim3 m4ximusprim3
    12/10/09

    @Dr. Evil Genius is eagerly anticipating the Year of the Black Rainbow: "No, echo one. You have to find out your remaing fuel by entering =(D3 - E5) in cell A2. You're adding, not subtracting... Echo one? Echo one, come in!"
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    Edited by m4ximusprim3 at 12/10/09 5:52 PM m4ximusprim3 was starred m4ximusprim3 was unstarred
    Image of NorwoodIsMyHero NorwoodIsMyHero
    12/10/09

    @Dr. Evil Genius is eagerly anticipating the Year of the Black Rainbow: I agree. I'm an avid Excel user and I model lots of stuff in it. But when it comes time to actually apply stuff, our bank has a data and software team designated to take people's Excel and VBA models and macros and convert it into apps and software that eliminates many of the problems of allowing important calculations to be made in Excel creates.
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    Edited by NorwoodIsMyHero at 12/10/09 5:52 PM NorwoodIsMyHero was starred NorwoodIsMyHero was unstarred
    Image of Hiphopopotamus Hiphopopotamus
    12/10/09

    @Dr. Evil Genius is eagerly anticipating the Year of the Black Rainbow: Finally... we know what Google Wave was created for.
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    Image of robots199 robots199
    12/10/09

    In reply to "We Fight for Freedom, and Windows Vista Is F*cking Us Up"
    Central Control: "Go into target (3,4)"
    Jet Pilot "Rodger that"

    *BSOD Occurs*

    Central Control: "Go into.....uhh"
    Pilot He is gaining on me, I need coordinates, stat!"
    Central Control: Umm... *punches digits into calculator while rolling dice DOD style"
    Central Control: "Here you go, (9,5)
    Pilot: "Ok, thanks"

    KABOOM!!
    *Plane blows up due to the coordinates being his own plane

    Afterthought:
    "Should've upgraded our systems to windows 7".
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    Image of The Amazing Ant The Amazing Ant
    12/10/09

    @robots199: That's what you get for not remembering your 20-sided die, and using a regular 6-sided.
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    Image of Nathan Obbards Nathan Obbards
    12/10/09

    @The Amazing Ant: That's only cause the dice didn't do a barrel roll.
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    Image of Lizard_King Lizard_King
    12/10/09

    In reply to "We Fight for Freedom, and Windows Vista Is F*cking Us Up"
    Another example of how people blame MS when another company is at fault... add that to the unnecessary "We Fight for Freedom" - with equally unnecessary capitalization.
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    Image of drakino drakino
    12/10/09

    @Lizard_King: Why is another company at fault? Microsoft said they changed the display subsystem in Vista to WDDM for a few reasons. One of the big ones was "Enhanced fault-tolerance". IE, the driver should be able to be restarted, and even be able to handle faulty hardware to some extent without tanking the machine with a BSOD.

    But yet, the drivers are still causing BSODs somehow. Yes, ATI wrote the drivers, but they wrote them to Microsoft's (very late to be finalized) specs that said things would be better. And they weren't. So both companies share blame here.
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    Lizard_King promoted this comment drakino was starred drakino was unstarred
    Image of madog madog
    12/10/09

    @Lizard_King: Wellllll I see what you are saying, but while the blame isn't solely theirs they aren't exempt either.
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    Image of Lizard_King Lizard_King
    12/10/09

    @drakino: Both ATI and Nvidia had bad driver snafu's with the Vista launch. However, inherently, Vista works. I have two computers with it working, it just may not work with this video driver. My money is that the card was made prior to Vista being launched.

    Bottom line: Microsoft gets a TON of blame when there is a fault, often the blame should be on the hardware manufacturer, or the writer of a piece of software. Shoddy hardware and drivers is a HUGE problem with base model PCs.

    But I kinda like your rules. My C6280 All-in-one does not work properly in Snow Leopard, worked fine in Leopard - DAMN YOU APPLE!
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