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    11/12/09

    In reply to Microsoft Disowns Manager For Suggesting That A Mac OS Inspired Windows 7
    The level of Apple fanboyism in these comments is off the scale.

    In the end everyone copies from each other at some point. Personally I don't think Win7 resembles OSX much but that's just my opinion.

    Also to pre-empt any snarky Apple fan spinning that opinion into something negative I don't think that it being dissimilar is a bad thing. Windows has its perks over OSX and vice versa, neither is unanimously superior so get over your damn god-OS complexes already. #windows7mac
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    11/12/09

    @Odin: No, Windows 7 doesn't resemble OSX that much, but what it did do was take a lot of the popular features of OSX and integrate them into itself.

    Now, I'm not saying that's a bad thing, but I think that's something that we can all agree happened.
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    Edited by NeoAkira at 11/12/09 11:22 AM NeoAkira was starred NeoAkira was unstarred
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    11/12/09

    @Odin: As someone who almost exclusively uses Apple products, I couldn't agree more. These kinds of borrowing elements from one to another are pretty much inevitable. It can only benefit the consumer that these companies understand what the customer likes and doesn't like and try to implement the best options available to the user. I also don't think W7 looks much like OS X, and the elements that do seem to be implemented better. I think a lot of this bashing W7 is to make Mac fanboys feel as if their OS is so superior that everyone copies it, meanwhile Snow Leopard doesn't appear to have so much revolutionary appeal to it. #windows7mac
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    Odin promoted this comment s8ist was starred s8ist was unstarred
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    11/12/09

    @s8ist:
    Unfortunately the majority (or at least the vocal majority) of Apple users sees OSX as their Messiah and defend it zealously. Anyone who doesn't worship it is a heathen and an idiot. It's a stupid way to think. There's no perfect OS, OSX has its flaws just like everything else.

    You use what you like or what suits you, just because you like it doesn't automatically invalidate the competition. I'm primarily a Windows user, always have been and probably always will. Why? It's not because I believe Windows is the saviour of all mankind and Microsoft can do no wrong and that Apple is the devil. It's because it suits the things I do with my computer and I like it. As a gamer and a .NET developer I just can't see myself using anything else as my primary system.

    I don't hate OSX because I don't use it. I don't think it's bad because it doesn't suit what I do. It's definitely a comparable OS but it's not incredibly better than what I currently use.

    The level of Apple fanboyism out there though borders on zealotry and it's crazy sometimes. I mean before I came to Giz I thought Windows users ragging on Mac users were bad. Turns out the reverse is a whole lot worse. I can barely bring myself to look at any of the comments on Microsoft articles on Giz because they're just filled with seething hatred and bias.

    Take the recent article on the Microsoft Courier. I found it to be an attractive interesting looking gadget, well worth my interest. When I looked at the comments though, the majority were just about how Microsoft sucked and how the Apple tablet Courier.

    It's bizarre. I personally couldn't give two shits about the Apple tablet right now. Why? Because it's an Apple product? No! Because it doesn't even have a substantial existance. All it is right now is a bunch of fan made concept images, a couple of patents and a smattering of rumours on the wind. It's a freaking phantom of a product. Yet there are people out there willing to call an interesting and infinitely more substantial device rubbish because of it. It's mind blowing.

    This is directly addressing any over zealous Apple fanboy that reads this:

    I've since reconsidered the thing I dislike most about Apple (that's not to say that I hate Apple, I just have things I don't like about them and this is one of them), and it's the fanboys. Your close mindedness, ass kissery and superiority complexes bring not only shame upon yourselves as human beings but shame upon the company and products you adore. Congratulations, you're a plague upon what you like most. Morons. #windows7mac
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    11/12/09

    @Odin: That's your opinion (and an unnecessarily long one at that). #windows7mac
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    11/12/09

    @Odin: I largely agree. I think this whole thing as approaching a commensalism argument. In most things, if something is demonstrably superior in function it tends to be adopted universally. When M-B introduced antilock brakes on their S-class (lo these many years ago), everyone else scrambled to adopt the technology. Where they copying Mercedes? No, it just works better. I've had Mac and PC machines for years, and the OS's are becoming more and more similar. As the evolution continues, any differences between them will be largely cosmetic. Human function determines OS function, not the other way around. And whether you use Apple or MS, we're all (most of us) human. #windows7mac
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    11/12/09

    In reply to Microsoft Disowns Manager For Suggesting That A Mac OS Inspired Windows 7
    What is this obsession with being original all the time? Can't someone just use an existing good idea? #windows7mac
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    Nathan Obbards promoted this comment Poop Cooper was starred Poop Cooper was unstarred
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    11/12/09

    In reply to Microsoft Disowns Manager For Suggesting That A Mac OS Inspired Windows 7
    Didn't see that one coming. *faux shock* #windows7mac
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    11/12/09

    In reply to Microsoft Disowns Manager For Suggesting That A Mac OS Inspired Windows 7
    LOL, so much Drama with Micro$oft #windows7mac
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    11/12/09

    @vladdybear: Oh shit, we've got another edgy hipster who replaced the "s" in Microsoft with a $!

    That'll teach Microsoft. Because, you know, as a company Microsoft is unique in seeking profit. #windows7mac
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    Nathan Obbards promoted this comment Kymeira was starred Kymeira was unstarred
    Image of J France J France
    11/12/09

    @Kymeira: Shit! Another edgy hipsters having a go at a not-quite-as-edgy-hipster for using an $ instead of "s".

    Now someone have a go at me for having a go at him for having a go at that other guy.

    Lets troll this thread into an infinite loop. #windows7mac
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    Image of Chris Hansen Chris Hansen
    11/12/09

    @vladdybear OH CRAP! That was so clever and unexpected! #windows7mac
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    Image of MarClar MarClar
    11/12/09

    @Leonce: This will blow your mind:

    APPL€.

    Im taking edgy-hip to the next level.
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    robinandtami promoted this comment Edited by MarClar at 11/12/09 3:48 AM MarClar was starred MarClar was unstarred
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    11/12/09

    @Kymeira: Oh don't be jealous. Its not about who makes more money is about who charges $400 for their OS. #windows7mac
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    11/12/09

    In reply to Microsoft Disowns Manager For Suggesting That A Mac OS Inspired Windows 7
    Steve Jobless wouldn't have disowned him but fired him after calling him a retard. #windows7mac
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    11/11/09

    In reply to Microsoft Disowns Manager For Suggesting That A Mac OS Inspired Windows 7
    In the end... Apple copied from Xerox. /flamewar #windows7mac
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    Nathan Obbards promoted this comment warezIbanez was starred warezIbanez was unstarred
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    11/12/09

    @warezIbanez: They didn't necessarily copy it. But either way, it's pretty interesting how many of the technologies we use today (from both MS and Apple) originated from Xerox PARC almost 40 years ago. #windows7mac
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    Nathan Obbards promoted this comment VonFeldt7 was starred VonFeldt7 was unstarred
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    11/12/09

    @VonFeldt7: and X 12-15 years ago...

    In the mid 90's there were some bad ass interfaces and window managers for X. I have yet to see something "new" that I didn't see back then. #windows7mac
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    11/11/09

    In reply to Microsoft Disowns Manager For Suggesting That A Mac OS Inspired Windows 7
    Who was that guy? 7 is nothing like X and everything else he said was stupid. I'd rather post about Star Trek vs. Star Wars than this. #windows7mac
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    11/11/09

    In reply to Microsoft Disowns Manager For Suggesting That A Mac OS Inspired Windows 7
    I honestly do not think windows 7 is anything like OSX. If anything they are very different imo. For a Microsoft manager to say that would make any executive at Microsoft get mad.
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    FredicvsMaximvs promoted this comment Nathan Obbards approved this comment totalfixation001 was starred totalfixation001 was unstarred
    Image of stopcrazypp stopcrazypp
    11/11/09

    In reply to Microsoft Disowns Manager For Suggesting That A Mac OS Inspired Windows 7
    The important point of this blog post wasn't even mentioned:
    "Unfortunately this came from a Microsoft employee who was not involved in any aspect of designing Windows 7."

    This is a very important point. This means the original comment was probably just a personal opinion. If the person wasn't even involved in design Windows 7, his comment holds no water; it's about as good as any random guy commenting on the matter (really the only reason why the original article was even news was it seemed like Microsoft's direct admission that Windows 7 cribbed from OSX for UI elements).

    And also dead link. Correct link here:
    [windowsteamblog.com] #windows7mac
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    TheLostVikings R.O.A.C.H. promoted this comment stopcrazypp was starred stopcrazypp was unstarred
    Image of anarchy7 anarchy7
    11/11/09

    In reply to Microsoft Disowns Manager For Suggesting That A Mac OS Inspired Windows 7
    Someone cant handle the truth.. #windows7mac
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    11/11/09

    @anarchy7: please dont attract a flame war #windows7mac
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    Nathan Obbards promoted this comment death_cab_for_boobie was starred death_cab_for_boobie was unstarred
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    11/11/09

    @anarchy7: You're an idiot. Have you ever used W7, praytell?

    I hate to say this about one of our own (gizmodians), but your comment is inaccurate and uninformed. #windows7mac
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    Kaiser-Machead promoted this comment CheeseGamer was starred CheeseGamer was unstarred
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    11/11/09

    @CheeseGamer: You're falling for it! #windows7mac
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    11/12/09

    @Norbs: Nah, I actually run XP on my MBP and iMac. :P (kidding.)

    Windows 7's interface looks a whole lot like window's general theme of interface. Sure it has gloss, but hell, when you have consumer demand for more gloss, you put more gloss! Also, once someone comes up with a good idea, taking it comes naturally.

    Random example:
    Just because Edison made the lightbulb doesn't mean he make better ones than GE.

    For example, Xerox made the Xerox machine. Say ASDFcorp makes a better xerox machine than Xerox.

    Would you say "HEY THEY STOLE THAT FROM XEROX! THEY SUCK!"? No, you would go out and buy the ASDFcorp machine and get on with your life. By this theory, I don't get why everyone gets so riled up from the adaptation of good ideas in Windows/Mac.
    From a slightly biased windows point of view, the irony is that, if Apple steals a good idea from MS, nobody cares, but vice versa? Flame wars galore! They should be sued! Killed! Explodiated!

    It's all horse manure.

    @Kaiser-Machead:
    It's a tra-- #windows7mac
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    11/11/09

    In reply to Microsoft Manager Admits Mac Influence Amidst Other Nonsense
    Let's just agree that different operating systems are for different tasks, okay? Graphic design is for Macs, Gaming is for Windows, and Hacking is for Linux. #windows7mac
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    CustomFirmware promoted this comment SAMtheMAN99 was starred SAMtheMAN99 was unstarred
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    11/11/09

    In reply to Microsoft Manager Admits Mac Influence Amidst Other Nonsense
    What do we care if MS takes inspiration form Apple or vise-versa if it makes the shit we use better? #windows7mac
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    omgwtflolbbqbye promoted this comment CraigJ was starred CraigJ was unstarred
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    11/11/09

    In reply to Microsoft Manager Admits Mac Influence Amidst Other Nonsense
    Need to get over this whole idea of "stealing" UI design. Apple and Microsoft were both beaten to the punch by Xerox PARC, which is where they both got the window and mouse ideas in the first place.

    OF COURSE you are going to look at what works and what people like in your competitor's products. Mac OSX and Linux steal ideas from Windows. Windows from the other two. It would be silly to think otherwise, and I for one, don't see a thing wrong with it. Makes the experience better for all of us.

    And it happens in other industries, too. Take a look at what's happened to automobiles over the last 30 years and tell me they don't all take the good ideas from the other manufacturers and run with them. If they didn't, most of us wouldn't have intermittent wiper blades, cruise control, ABS, all wheel drive, air bags, and so on... #windows7mac
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    Image of iomatic, hey, I'm an idiot, but I'll comment anyway iomatic, hey, I'm an idiot, but I'll comment anyway
    11/11/09

    @wjglenn:

    The original Alto UI ≠ modern OS interface, dude. #windows7mac
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    11/11/09


    @iomatic (I know I'm an idiot, but I'll comment anyway): really? you don't see any resemblence between modern GUIs and this one? #windows7mac
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    spannu promoted this comment reckoner23 was starred reckoner23 was unstarred
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    11/11/09

    @reckoner23: Don't get any of those old screenshots with tabbed windows or he might have even more things to pretend don't exist. #windows7mac
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    Image of iomatic, hey, I'm an idiot, but I'll comment anyway iomatic, hey, I'm an idiot, but I'll comment anyway
    11/12/09

    @reckoner23: We're talking about (at least in this article) GUI improvements. Concepts from PARC are yes, way ahead of time, and most definitely yes, repurposed into the Mac OS and Windows today.

    I never refuted that. Allow me to clarify: '≠' means 'does not equal' The GUI from 1970 is not the same GUI as today. There are useful 3D remnants, better contrast ratios, and user-customization not available in that GUI of yesteryear. Sure, Benz beat all automobiles to the punch, but would you drive that thing from 1886 on today's highway, seriously?

    So don't misplace my comments, kids.
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    Edited by iomatic, hey, I'm an idiot, but I'll comment anyway at 11/12/09 12:43 PM iomatic, hey, I'm an idiot, but I'll comment anyway was starred iomatic, hey, I'm an idiot, but I'll comment anyway was unstarred
    Image of TheAxMan TheAxMan
    11/11/09

    In reply to Microsoft Manager Admits Mac Influence Amidst Other Nonsense
    Yet another AppleInisder article trying to diss MS -- why does Giz think AppleInsider is a good source for MS info??? #windows7mac
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    Nathan Obbards promoted this comment TheAxMan was starred TheAxMan was unstarred
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    11/11/09

    @TheAxMan: [www.pcr-online.biz] via [www.appleinsider.com]

    Ignorance can take many forms.
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    Edited by Nathan Obbards at 11/11/09 7:15 PM Nathan Obbards was starred Nathan Obbards was unstarred
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    11/11/09

    @Nathan Obbards: It truly can.

    From the PCR article, it's clear that this dude works on a team that had nothing to do with the UI work in Win7.

    Yet AppleInsider sees that one line, siezes upon it, and turns it into a headline.

    Ignorance indeed. #windows7mac
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    11/11/09

    In reply to Microsoft Manager Admits Mac Influence Amidst Other Nonsense
    Somebody gonna get hurt real bad #windows7mac
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    11/11/09

    @malibumac: Please let it be my brother. #windows7mac
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    11/11/09

    @MostlyHarmless: I'm not gonna say who, but I think you might know him very well! #windows7mac
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