The 7 upgrade process REALLY isn't rocket science. How is it more mysterious than it should be? Yes, you need a product key, which is provided with legitimate purchases of the OS. Yes, that product key actually has to match your product, which again, it would if you legitimately purchase it. That is absolutely nothing new or out of the ordinary.
They put a compatibility checker on their site to help you make an informed decision whether or not to upgrade. There's a TON of info on the upgrade process on their site and countless others. They even put a chart out stating which version of Vista could in-place upgrade to which version of 7, and which paths required a "clean install."
Do they need to hold people's hand any more than that every single step of the way?
Do they need to explain at length every single little technical tidbit about how the upgrade actually works for them to be acceptably "forthcoming"? Yeah, I suppose they should be more like Apple in that area-oh, wait.
The only thing they didn't do the best job mentioning to Digital River (the people running the student upgrade) is that people "in-place" upgrading from 32bit to 64bit will have issues doing so via an executable running in a 32bit environment, and would need a burnable, bootable disc image to do it.
Could Digital River have simply released an image? Sure. But then they wouldn't be able to charge $15 for a disc to be mailed to you...don't go crying to Microsoft about it.
My upgrade process:
1. Buy $30 student upgrade.
2. Download said upgrade.
3. Run said upgrade.
4. Select clean install as I was downgrading from Ultimate to Professional and actually did my research unlike most people apparently.
5. Wait 15-20 min. Entered key when needed. Selected a few simple and well-explained options.
6. Enjoyed Windows 7.
Smooth sailing ever since. And all I had to do was follow simple directions in probably the simplest upgrade installer Microsoft has ever released. #windows
@Rob: I don't have to sift through a dozen different flavors of OS X before settling on the right version. C'mon, admit, it's fucking silly: Home Editition, Home Premium, Fuck-Me-In-The-Ass Edition, Business Edition, Ultimate, and the ass hurting list goes on. Sorry, but the product team at Microsoft are a bunch of clueless fools. #windows
@-zargon- & Steve: How's this: How about just buying 1 box, like OS X, and every "version" you need is on the one DVD.
And on top of that, I get an OS far more powerful than Windows, for only $130. Well, actually, Snow Leopard only costs $30 and is a full install. So, how much did you pay for Win 7?
Don't be fooled, Microsoft isn't doing you any favors by offering different versions, they're just giving you the choice of how to part with your money for what is essentially a Vista bug fix. #windows
@Bully: You are making a mountain out of a mole hill with the versions. It really isn't as complicated as you are trying to make it out to be, but maybe it is for you since you seem to be just another sheep.
Please enlighten us on how OS X is "far more powerful than Windows."
I also hope you enjoyed paying $30 for your service pack, Windows users get them free!
@Lite: is combing the desert.: Or, I'm just so used to Vista sucking that anything that even looks like an increase in performance is something I'll jump at.
I wonder if this will end up being like one of those Cell Phone Signal Booster stickers. Where, we want to believe it's better so much that we'll make ourselves believe.
@Lite: is combing the desert.: It was a pain in the ass to redeem from Dell. Not that it mattered, as I didn't want to install Vista right away, but it was neither timely nor customer service friendly.
@enm4r: I actually had problems w/ the Apple 10.5 upgrade back when I bought my mini. I ended up having to fill out some form and fax them. Because of that it took like 4 weeks to get my copy...
@rcast1986: Um, MINI Drive has been commenting long before the facebook thing happened. Just because someone makes a comment you don't find amusing, doesn't mean they are a facebook knuckledragger.
@rcast1986: Do you ever really have anything nice to say to anyone you disagree with, or do you just feel that you need to insult everyone? MINI's been around for quite some time now.
He actually has a point. There are a LOT of people unhappy with Vista. Both those who have never used it, and those who have. Personally I find Vista to be a step backward from XP, as do many IT professionals who have to support it daily.
@RobotVampire: That is the dumbest thing I have ever read, and I've been forced to read Atlas Shrugged. Tell me something, how does paying more for inferior hardware make you "hardcore." Cause, where I'm from, that makes you an uninformed consumer.
As for paying more for inferior hardware, well that comes down more to personal preference. To some people the design considerations make the hardware worth buying. For others not supporting Microsoft does. For others yet maybe they just buy it to piss you off because you cannot afford it?
I bought my Macbook Pro because it was durable, reliable, cost just as much as a comparable Dell, IBM, or HP at the time. It could also run OSX which I enjoy using, as well as Windows XP/Vista. I bought my Mac Mini because at the time there was nothing else like it on the market in that form factor. I had very limited space and needed a multimedia machine. I also happen to like using front row.
I also own a gaming PC. Quad Core, 8 gig ram, 10k RPM drive... Works great. With the monitor it cost more than buying an iMac.
I buy Macs because I appreciate the hardware build, I appreciate the user interface, and I can afford to comfortably pay the premium price to get it. When I get home at the end of the day after supporting Windows XP, Vista, 2003, 2008, OSX 10.4-10.5, Centos 5.1-5.2, and Ubuntu I really just don't want to have to tear MY PC apart to make it "Just work" because there's a bios issue that keeps the machine from coming out of hibernation permanently unless I clear the bios.
Issues I don't typically run into when using my Macs. I'm rather OS agnostic, and I poke fun at both OSX and Windows.
But then again, I'm also the guy who will go to a higher end electronics store and pay $100-200 more just to have a better shopping experience... Without buying the Pear speaker cables.
@Lite: is combing the desert.: Wait, you mean a computer with 4 times the default RAM of an iMac, a 10k RPM drive and twice as many cores costs MORE THAN AN IMAC?
@Chimera: That's funny, because I coulda sworn I put "Let me get back on my facebook account." Maybe I wasn't clear/off the mark and maybe you misunderstood it, but I was attempting to compliment his rimshot-esque comment (at least as far as I interpreted it) with an equally "Hey look at me, I'm dumb!" reply. As much of a fanboy as he is, I didn't think he was serious when he said "LMMacAO!"
@MINI Driver: Was that not what you were going for? This is your chance to redeem yourself...
@Lite: is combing the desert.: See the first part. Where would saying something 'nice' come into play while agreeing or disagreeing with someone's stance, especially here? "I don't see eye to eye with you on this matter. Lovely hair, by the way! And isn't this weather just fine?"
And what does being around for a while have to do with anything? If he really was serious, then how does frequency of posts or longevity negate a stupid comment that's been pasted over with an overused, unoriginal joke?
And he might have a point to you, fellow He-Man Windows hater. But parroting 'Get a Mac' ads and old people who hear "the Vista isn't as good as the Mac according to that friendly young man on the television commercials" doesn't necessarily mean "a LOT of people" are "unhappy" with Vista. Maybe they are, maybe they aren't. Maybe this is yet another case of the outspoken minority being heard over the quietly pleased majority, and thus making it seem like more people are effected than actually are (this happens quite a bit). But I'll tell you whose opinion matters the most in this regard -- mine. I have Vista, I love it and although there are issues, I find it much more enjoyable than my frequent (daily) Apple experiences, both regarding OSX and beyond it.
@UnexpectedEOF: Yeah, I've also had more than 2x as many problems w/ Vista on it as I have OSX... And I've been building machines for over 20 years.
It also takes up more than 2x the room, has more than 2x as many cables dangling off of it.
For some people space matters. The number of visible cords matters. For some people, design matters. For others, not so much.
For a gaming machine where I'll periodically be dragging the internals out and replacing them, the iMac doesn't makes as much sense though. So instead I have to loom the cables to keep them nicely bundled, only, they're all of different lengths, so that doesn't work so well.
But let's see, I have to somehow hide. Speaker cables, Speaker power wires. USB cable. Ethernet cable. Power cable, charger cable for mouse, monitor cable, and power cable for monitor.
Vs 1 cable for the iMac and everything else is wireless.
Some people cannot fathom paying more for design. Others can, and will. It doesn't make them stupid, it makes them rich enough to pay to not have to deal with an additional hassle. I could change my own oil if I wanted to. I'd just rather pay someone else to deal with it. My time has a certain level of value on it that I place.
@rcast1986: I have Vista. At home in my daily life I run Vista Ultimate. Both 32 bit and 64 bit flavors. My tablet runs XP. My work laptop is 32 bit Vista Business. It sucks. It really does. Dreamscene crashes repeatedly on any machine I've ever used it on. Administration control works maybe 70% of the time, the rest of it the application just doesn't work or prompt you to escalate permissions at all it just fails or returns an error and closes.
So, you end up disabling it outright, and then put up with the "Your machine is insecure" messages that pop up repeatedly without warning.
Multiple Anti-Virus software brands begin acting strangely if the machine ever crashes/fails to shut down cleanly/loses power suddenly. Especially Trend. (Which, I'd blame the anti-virus company if it weren't multiple vendors and only Vista that does this. XP seems immune to the issue). Everything from hanging the machine during updates to telling you to please stay off the internet until mommy and daddy resets permission levels.
It runs slower than XP, removed some nice functionality (such as being able to export mail profile settings) that XP had. I have yet to have anyone make a valid argument for any business to use XP over Vista. Let alone for home users. And that is where Vista fails. It's slower, requires more expensive hardware, and more memory to run while it isn't really any more stable than XP is with no real added benefit.
@loudensspam: Standalone sales are already so sluggish that they care more about not crippling sales for the hardware vendors, which in turn allows them to sell more licenses for a MS OS anyhow.
I still want to know if this post [i.gizmodo.com] about the WARP feature in Windows 7 "a 'fully conformant software rasterizer', WARP requires nothing more than an 800MHz processor for complete-if comically slow-DX10 compliance" means Windows 7 will let an older system that stutters on hi-def video (but can more or less play it) display such video without hiccups?
@SF_iris: What Microsoft did here is almost unforg@ChrisFu: I think that Microsoft should do the right thing here and offer a free upgrade to Windows 7 for anyone who paid for the upgrade from XP to Vista. If people got Vista free with a new computer or as free upgrade, I can't see any reason to give folks a freebie, but if people actually fell prey to MS's marketing hype and actually paid for Vista, they ought to get a free upgrade path. That seems only fair.
@discounteggroll: Vista was on a DVD so I would assume that 7 will be on a DVD. They didn't have DVDs in 95 so I think that it would be safe to assume that your computer wouldn't run any OS that came on a DVD. You might need to take a look at some new hardware or just converting to Mac. Mac works a lot more like W95.
@reddingofish: It's alright I guess, since you were actually trying to give a helpful response instead of a flame, buttttt...keep an eye out for the sarcasm! They like to sneak it in everywhere.
10/27/09
They put a compatibility checker on their site to help you make an informed decision whether or not to upgrade. There's a TON of info on the upgrade process on their site and countless others. They even put a chart out stating which version of Vista could in-place upgrade to which version of 7, and which paths required a "clean install."
Do they need to hold people's hand any more than that every single step of the way?
Do they need to explain at length every single little technical tidbit about how the upgrade actually works for them to be acceptably "forthcoming"? Yeah, I suppose they should be more like Apple in that area-oh, wait.
The only thing they didn't do the best job mentioning to Digital River (the people running the student upgrade) is that people "in-place" upgrading from 32bit to 64bit will have issues doing so via an executable running in a 32bit environment, and would need a burnable, bootable disc image to do it.
Could Digital River have simply released an image? Sure. But then they wouldn't be able to charge $15 for a disc to be mailed to you...don't go crying to Microsoft about it.
My upgrade process:
1. Buy $30 student upgrade.
2. Download said upgrade.
3. Run said upgrade.
4. Select clean install as I was downgrading from Ultimate to Professional and actually did my research unlike most people apparently.
5. Wait 15-20 min. Entered key when needed. Selected a few simple and well-explained options.
6. Enjoyed Windows 7.
Smooth sailing ever since. And all I had to do was follow simple directions in probably the simplest upgrade installer Microsoft has ever released. #windows
10/27/09
10/27/09
But then, maybe you are the type of person who likes to be told how to do your computing and what you need to do it... #windows
10/27/09
And on top of that, I get an OS far more powerful than Windows, for only $130. Well, actually, Snow Leopard only costs $30 and is a full install. So, how much did you pay for Win 7?
Don't be fooled, Microsoft isn't doing you any favors by offering different versions, they're just giving you the choice of how to part with your money for what is essentially a Vista bug fix. #windows
10/28/09
The same $30 you did. #windows
10/28/09
Please enlighten us on how OS X is "far more powerful than Windows."
I also hope you enjoyed paying $30 for your service pack, Windows users get them free!
10/27/09
10/27/09
10/27/09
10/27/09
10/27/09
10/27/09
Should this say Win 7? Typo? Freudian slip? #windows
10/27/09
06/29/09
-of course newegg has been kicking some royal butt for me lately when it comes to computery type stuff, so they deserve my repeat biz.
I paid tax, but no shipping.
I grabbed one of each: Pro for my Core i7 desktop and Home for my Mini 9/whatever capable portable I'm running in the future.
My bro also grabbed Pro for his matching Core i7 rig.
02/12/09
02/12/09
(I'm being sarcastic folks, don't get your panties in a bunch.)
I'm looking forward to seeing if W7 sucks far less than Vista does. So far it looks semi-promising.
02/12/09
I wonder if this will end up being like one of those Cell Phone Signal Booster stickers. Where, we want to believe it's better so much that we'll make ourselves believe.
02/12/09
02/12/09
Not a new phenomenon for Microsoft.
Or Apple for that matter. They do it too.
02/12/09
02/12/09
02/12/09
02/12/09
Let me get back on my facebook account...
02/12/09
02/12/09
02/12/09
He actually has a point. There are a LOT of people unhappy with Vista. Both those who have never used it, and those who have. Personally I find Vista to be a step backward from XP, as do many IT professionals who have to support it daily.
02/12/09
02/12/09
02/12/09
02/12/09
As for paying more for inferior hardware, well that comes down more to personal preference. To some people the design considerations make the hardware worth buying. For others not supporting Microsoft does. For others yet maybe they just buy it to piss you off because you cannot afford it?
I bought my Macbook Pro because it was durable, reliable, cost just as much as a comparable Dell, IBM, or HP at the time. It could also run OSX which I enjoy using, as well as Windows XP/Vista. I bought my Mac Mini because at the time there was nothing else like it on the market in that form factor. I had very limited space and needed a multimedia machine. I also happen to like using front row.
I also own a gaming PC. Quad Core, 8 gig ram, 10k RPM drive... Works great. With the monitor it cost more than buying an iMac.
I buy Macs because I appreciate the hardware build, I appreciate the user interface, and I can afford to comfortably pay the premium price to get it. When I get home at the end of the day after supporting Windows XP, Vista, 2003, 2008, OSX 10.4-10.5, Centos 5.1-5.2, and Ubuntu I really just don't want to have to tear MY PC apart to make it "Just work" because there's a bios issue that keeps the machine from coming out of hibernation permanently unless I clear the bios.
Issues I don't typically run into when using my Macs. I'm rather OS agnostic, and I poke fun at both OSX and Windows.
But then again, I'm also the guy who will go to a higher end electronics store and pay $100-200 more just to have a better shopping experience... Without buying the Pear speaker cables.
02/12/09
HEAVENS TO MIRGATROID.
02/12/09
@MINI Driver: Was that not what you were going for? This is your chance to redeem yourself...
@Lite: is combing the desert.: See the first part. Where would saying something 'nice' come into play while agreeing or disagreeing with someone's stance, especially here? "I don't see eye to eye with you on this matter. Lovely hair, by the way! And isn't this weather just fine?"
And what does being around for a while have to do with anything? If he really was serious, then how does frequency of posts or longevity negate a stupid comment that's been pasted over with an overused, unoriginal joke?
And he might have a point to you, fellow He-Man Windows hater. But parroting 'Get a Mac' ads and old people who hear "the Vista isn't as good as the Mac according to that friendly young man on the television commercials" doesn't necessarily mean "a LOT of people" are "unhappy" with Vista. Maybe they are, maybe they aren't. Maybe this is yet another case of the outspoken minority being heard over the quietly pleased majority, and thus making it seem like more people are effected than actually are (this happens quite a bit). But I'll tell you whose opinion matters the most in this regard -- mine. I have Vista, I love it and although there are issues, I find it much more enjoyable than my frequent (daily) Apple experiences, both regarding OSX and beyond it.
02/12/09
It also takes up more than 2x the room, has more than 2x as many cables dangling off of it.
For some people space matters. The number of visible cords matters. For some people, design matters. For others, not so much.
For a gaming machine where I'll periodically be dragging the internals out and replacing them, the iMac doesn't makes as much sense though. So instead I have to loom the cables to keep them nicely bundled, only, they're all of different lengths, so that doesn't work so well.
But let's see, I have to somehow hide. Speaker cables, Speaker power wires. USB cable. Ethernet cable. Power cable, charger cable for mouse, monitor cable, and power cable for monitor.
Vs 1 cable for the iMac and everything else is wireless.
Some people cannot fathom paying more for design. Others can, and will. It doesn't make them stupid, it makes them rich enough to pay to not have to deal with an additional hassle. I could change my own oil if I wanted to. I'd just rather pay someone else to deal with it. My time has a certain level of value on it that I place.
02/12/09
So, you end up disabling it outright, and then put up with the "Your machine is insecure" messages that pop up repeatedly without warning.
Multiple Anti-Virus software brands begin acting strangely if the machine ever crashes/fails to shut down cleanly/loses power suddenly. Especially Trend. (Which, I'd blame the anti-virus company if it weren't multiple vendors and only Vista that does this. XP seems immune to the issue). Everything from hanging the machine during updates to telling you to please stay off the internet until mommy and daddy resets permission levels.
It runs slower than XP, removed some nice functionality (such as being able to export mail profile settings) that XP had. I have yet to have anyone make a valid argument for any business to use XP over Vista. Let alone for home users. And that is where Vista fails. It's slower, requires more expensive hardware, and more memory to run while it isn't really any more stable than XP is with no real added benefit.
01/07/09
01/07/09
01/07/09
01/07/09
01/07/09
01/07/09
01/07/09
How about you, do you want to buy it?
01/07/09
01/07/09
01/07/09
I haven't upgraded since then, and would hate to have to buy a CD/DVD drive just to install a new OS
01/07/09
01/07/09
01/07/09
01/07/09
remorse feels even worse. I apologize