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OCEntertainment
11/12/09

In reply to Windows Mobile Marketplace Adds Non-Mobile App Store
To be fair, app browsing isn't all that great on *any* phone. In fact, I have yet to use a single mobile device (including the iPhone, thankyouverymuch) that I actually prefer browsing on over a full compy. Fullsite app browsing = generally awesome in my book.

(Google: I'm talking to you.) #windowsmobilemarketplace
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Gundem
11/12/09

In reply to Windows Mobile Marketplace Adds Non-Mobile App Store
Too late M$.

I love Zune and have all 3 version but you can't help but to think that one day future xboxes and windows will be all you have left. #windowsmobilemarketplace
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CheeseGamer
11/12/09

@Gundem: I'm sorry, did you just call Microsoft M$ (which, by the way, has been ruled to be "old" and "unoriginal" as of about 3 years ago), then express your dire love for the Zunes? I...

I think something broke. #windowsmobilemarketplace
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Gundem
11/12/09

@CheeseGamer: Please keep your nerdy rules to yourself. Thank you. #windowsmobilemarketplace
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brobot - Beboptimus Prime
11/12/09

In reply to Windows Mobile Marketplace Adds Non-Mobile App Store
"Well, the new online portal seems like a solid idea, albeit one that implicitly acknowledges that app browsing is not that great on a WinMo 6.5 phone. You can access the portal from any browser, taking advantage of your computer's larger screen and faster loading to find apps that much quicker."

I dunno about that - I wouldn't be so quick to say that it acknowledges that so much as it comes as a logical step. I mean... look at the iPhone App Store. I personally hardly ever use the app store from the phone, unless it's to grab some free app that I need to use for whatever reason that has come up. Based on my experience, and that of the people I know, I'd say that the App Store within iTunes is more of the main one, with the mobile app store browser being more of an added convenience. So I'd say that Microsoft has their head on straight here - It's just that they had the mobile marketplace available first as a catalog available on its mobile devices, and now they're completing and solidifying the idea through a desktop version.

edit: PS - I miss the <blockquote> tags... they made quotes so much more intuitive and easier to read and comprehend in context at first glance.
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HelloYouAll
11/12/09

@brobot: When you criticize Gizmodo you have to take into account that this is an Apple lover's site. They are lastly tending to ditch non Apple stuff specially when it comes to mobile devices. I own an iPodtouch an I have to say it's a nightmare if I want to find a non top 25 or featured App. Its the way it is, we are talking about a small screen device, same goes for windows mobile. But the author is turning a good service for windows mobile customers into yet an other reason to ditch the windows mobile platform. #windowsmobilemarketplace
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Eulatos
11/12/09

@HelloYouAll: Just use the search function? Its not that hard. #windowsmobilemarketplace
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brobot - Beboptimus Prime
11/12/09

@HelloYouAll: errrrmmm... I don't know where you got the idea that I was criticizing gizmodo from my comment... Especially since you basically just re-stated the entire point of my comment, except with an anti-giz spin on it by talking about apple bias before saying "the author is turning a good service for windows mobile customers into yet an other reason to ditch the windows mobile platform."

To every person who ever previously/currently/henceforth whines about gizmodo's apple bias, I, Bepoptimus Prime, hereby officially declare #Shenanigans. - All the whining is 100x more annoying than any bias in the first place. sheesh. cry about it #windowsmobilemarketplace
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Sockatume
10/09/09

In reply to Windows Mobile Marketplace App Copy Protection Is a Joke
Reading that MS propaganda doc is amusing:

1) They actually outright state that the "basic" protection is simply requiring that someone sign in with a Live ID before they can download, then deleting the CAB file. It's phrased to imply that there's more going on, but that's it.

2) Apparently only a few hypothetical "super-hackers" could possibly work around the protection provided by (1)

3) The expensive, premium protection is seemingly the same old tie-the-app-to-the-IMEI patching of the binary that everyone and their dog uses, which is probably trivial to hack too.
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SQLGuru
10/09/09

In reply to Windows Mobile Marketplace App Copy Protection Is a Joke
I had heard that he was just hijacking the CAB file. It's probably downloading to some temp location. If you make a copy of that CAB while the installer is running, you should be able to then copy the CAB to any other WinMo device. Most of them have a point where they prompt for input (install to device or to card is a good candidate) and you can probably grab it then.

If they use Pocket IE, then it's very likely in that standard directory. A quick "Chandler" should find the full path. You could probably even write a small app that automatically mirrored any CAB file out of there.
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SQLGuru
10/09/09

@SQLGuru: Here's the "Chandler" search I used to find it: [www.bing.com]

[blogs.msdn.com]

"\Windows\Profiles\guest\Temporary Internet Files".

Anyone with the WinMo app store that can verify this for 6.5?
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CSX321
10/09/09

@SQLGuru: Yes, that's basically it. Although to be fair, the documentation spells this out pretty clearly. It also talks about an alternate key-based system that involves adding some code to your program. I think maybe that's not available yet.

I'm still undecided on whether to submit my software to the Marketplace. I'm not worried about piracy much, as they're only $1.99 apps anyway. But the expense and trouble that seems to be involved in getting things approved is an impediment to individual developers like me.

I have two apps now in the Samsung App Store. That was very cheap and easy, and it has a pretty good copy protection scheme, tied to the phone's ID.
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SQLGuru
10/09/09

@CSX321: Do you have a good "finger friendly" set of widgets that you use for your app? I have an app that I've started writing, but with no native controls as part of the SDK, I'm torn between continuing working on it and giving up. (I'm more of a function over form guy.) My app is about 90% done in terms of function but only about 10% done in terms of "pretty" -- at least the version I plan on giving away for free. Then I would release a "pro" version with additional features.

As for piracy, I'm really writing it for me but wouldn't mind a few buck from others who find it just as useful.
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CSX321
10/09/09

@SQLGuru: I got started writing stuff for myself, too.

No, I don't really have a set of controls or anything yet. I have a C# image button class I did for one app. For other things, I just space them so they can be hit easily with a finger. Oh, I also have a form base class with "flick" gesture support and the ability to slide up, down, left, or right between forms. I've pretty much found the limits of what can be done graphics-wise with the .NET 2 CF.

For my apps I have demo versions that have limited features and nag screens, but no time limit. They can be activated with an RPN key (Handango-style) to full version status. I haven't decided yet whether to put them on Handango, etc. 50% is a lot compared to Samsung's and Microsoft's 30%.
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OMG! Ponies!
09/03/09

In reply to LG Gets Aggressive: Three WinMo 6.5 Phones Imminent, 10 More Due in 2010
Sorry to be a little off-topic here but I have a serious question about smartphones:

What would be best phone for texting for a 63 year-old woman losing her voice with so-so sight. It would primarily be for texting. It's for my mom who is not doing well.
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nosebleed
09/03/09

@OMG! Ponies!: the Palm Centro seems to be choice of the overall consensus for older folk due to it's simplicity - other than maybe check out the HTC fuse too although it might be "too many bells and whistles"
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OMG! Ponies!
09/03/09

@nosebleed: I'm afraid the keys will be too small for her. Trying to choose between Sidekick3 and LG enV2
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nosebleed
09/03/09

In reply to LG Gets Aggressive: Three WinMo 6.5 Phones Imminent, 10 More Due in 2010
"winmo" and "aggressive" seems a bit of an oxymoron...

AMIRITE!?
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badasscat
09/03/09

@nosebleed: No. Here, I'll send an MMS to your iPhone to explain why.

(oh, snap)
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shinchan
09/03/09

@badasscat: If the explanation picture is too big for MMS, you can still try to send it via bluetooth...

(oh wait-)
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nosebleed
09/03/09

@badasscat: haha.laugh it up. there's only another couple of weeks (hopefully) that you can make that joke.

enjoy your BSOD's : )
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SigmundTheSeaMonster
09/03/09

In reply to LG Gets Aggressive: Three WinMo 6.5 Phones Imminent, 10 More Due in 2010
Will it buttdial, like the rest of LG crappy phones? (queue flushing noise 3..2..)
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Mega-Japan
09/02/09

In reply to HTC Mega Becomes Touch2 WinMo 6.5 Smartphone
That's great. More REAL phones.
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Renegade
09/02/09

@Mega-Japan: yea, real stinky, how is M$ not done with Windows Mobile 7?

You can cover it up with touch-flow all you want but all you've got is a painted turd of an OS
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badasscat
09/02/09

@RenegadeIrishman_IsFullOfStars: No, all you have is probably the most advanced of all the cell phone OS's underneath (true multitasking, native copy/paste from day one, etc.), but which is behind in the interface department. So, you take TouchFlo3D, which is an improved interface, and put it on top of Windows Mobile, which is the most advanced underlying OS, and voila. You now have a phone more powerful than the iPhone that also looks and works as good or better (in most ways). Not even the iPhone has a 3D interface.
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Renegade
09/02/09

@badasscat: you cant just slap an interface on an OS without it being coded for it or It results in poor performance and integration. I'm not a Microsoft hater in any way I just think their phone OS is way outdated. I didn't mean to imply that they were incapable, merely that they were late. I used humor though, so as to entertain the masses.
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Geisrud
04/28/09

In reply to Microsoft and Verizon in Talks To Develop iPhone Rival
As long as it doesn't use the Sidekick form-factor. Or run Windows Mobile.

They're going to need to reinvent the wheel to compete in this market.
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zenpoet
04/28/09

In reply to Microsoft and Verizon in Talks To Develop iPhone Rival
For all those who would say that MS can't get anything right, I have almost always loved their 3rd and 4th iterations of a product. I am not a fan boy by any means, but I thought the PS3 would destroy the 360, and I have two 360s, and no desire to get a PS3.

I have two iPods, a Zune, about 10 other various and sundry mp3 players, and have to say that if it were not for the nike+, I would probably never use my iPod.

I just hope that MS gives it a more serious try than Google.
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EBone
04/28/09

In reply to Microsoft and Verizon in Talks To Develop iPhone Rival
If a third party manufactures it, isn't that just a phone running Windows Mobile OS?

I'm so confused by MS.
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sumocat
04/28/09

In reply to Microsoft and Verizon in Talks To Develop iPhone Rival
I'm sure this phone will rival the iPhone in the same way the Zune media player rivals the iPod.
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Geisrud
04/28/09

@sumocat: oooh, tastefully passive-aggressive. Nice.
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Lite: hates Illinois Nazis
04/28/09

In reply to Microsoft and Verizon in Talks To Develop iPhone Rival
The new phone will be named iOwn, where Microsoft and Verizon will find a way to even further nickel and dime you for what will turn out to be a heavily crippled feature phone.
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Joaquin
04/28/09

In reply to Microsoft and Verizon in Talks To Develop iPhone Rival
The question is not when will it be ready, but when will it stop booting.
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Lite: hates Illinois Nazis
04/28/09

@android: Never. Current verizon phones are so heavily laden with their proprietary user overlays that they already crash happily on their own.

Nothing like going to send a text message only your phone reboots, or flipping the damn thing open to answer a call for the screen to stay black and keep ringing at you until you pull the battery off to reset the damn thing.

Or, how they used to charge you $5 per month for browsing the web on your feature phone, but now they charge $10+ depending on which package you pick. And half the time when you go to use your phone it comes back with, "Network unavailable."

Sorry, the only thing I've found Verizon's network good for is not dropping a call. Anything else, their phones suck, their customer service sucks, their pricing sucks.
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Joaquin
04/28/09

@Lite: I'm sorry I stirred your hurt feelings... It was only a referring to the Z2K9 event [gizmodo.com]

But now I know I'll shop around instead of going with VZ
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Lite: hates Illinois Nazis
04/28/09

@android: has been aproved by the gizmolords: My feelings aren't hurt. I'm just being a realist about Verizon, its practices in disabling phone features it doesn't like so that you have to pay them to use them. (VZW GPS Navigation on the BB Storm anyone?)

They provide about the best phone coverage I've seen for cell phones over most of the US and have one of the more advanced networks.

They will just seriously gouge you for every penny that they can.
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