N is great but no one should buy this. I bought the Netgear wnhde111 wireless N bridge kit for $85 on ebay. This gives 2 devices that can be used as access points routers or bridges and a spare port for my PS3. #xbox360wirelessnnetworkingadapter
@Xeno: To the properly informed tech geek that's a hell of a deal. Your average 12 year old parent wouldn't know what the hell to do with the kit though. Thus the overpriced N adapter is born. #xbox360wirelessnnetworkingadapter
@tok3ninja: The thing is that with the netgear kit you just flip a switch to auto on both units and plug them in and it works. They are really simple, I only customized the setup cus' I'm a geek. #xbox360wirelessnnetworkingadapter
Another sad example of Microsoft copying from Apple - this time, stealing the "why build it in when we can charge separately for the parts" strategy. #xbox360wirelessnnetworkingadapter
@FriarNurgle: They could build it in, but they know wireless is a gimmick for consoles, it just doesn't work out in the end. too slow for HD streaming and will cause shitty lag for everyone.
@FriarNurgle: If Microsoft had a build in wireless adapter, they could not have the possibility to release a faster adapter (like they have now).
Now we can use N networks wile other consoles are still stuck with G. #xbox360wirelessnnetworkingadapter
@FriarNurgle: If they included wireless G or N into the Xbox then the price would probably increase. And considering wireless online gaming is a horrible idea I am glad people are some-what forced to use wires, eliminating unnecessary lag and etc. #xbox360wirelessnnetworkingadapter
@aniteshj: N is plenty fast for streaming HD video. I do it every day on my 360. I don't use this overpriced adapter but 802.11N is plenty fast. #xbox360wirelessnnetworkingadapter
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Still, despite the price drop, what a total waste of money. Gaming online via WiFi is never really the most reliable compared to a wired connection, and a wired connection is just half as much as that adapter (or less) if you get an ethernet network spindle at places like Home Depot. _ #xbox360wirelessnnetworkingadapter
@Kaiser-Machead: So what does it all mean basil? Will we be seeing new chips entering the iTouch and iPhone or will they just keep it the same and activate them when the time comes? #cellphones
@opanitch: It's possible that the broadcom chip in the iPods will not be activated with N, and that its inclusion was a matter of cost than capability. If they DO decide to activate it for whatever reason, no doubt it will involve a charge to do so. #cellphones
for $140, you might as well throw in a few extra bones for airport extreme. I refuse to pay over $100 for any router, even if that means sticking with my Tomato-based WRT 54GL
@MaDog That's completely irrelevant, N is backwards compatible with B and G, that was always present in every pre-N spec and definitely in the finalized spec.
Having an N router means you get to use all bands but can enjoy the latest spec if you have supported devices.
@EdaFonzie: Yeah, B and G stuff will work with N, but what madog is saying is that the B and G items will drag your speed down to those levels. Your N devices will be wasted.
@badhatharry: Not exactly, I run an N router in my house and I'm the only one with an N compatible card so It's set to send out B, G, and N frequencies , but while they're connection is 54Mbps mine is usually around 144Mpbs. Yes it is diminished somewhat by broadcasting both, but I still have greater speeds, not to mention that it runs on the 5.0Ghz spectrum so suffers much less interference from some phones and microwaves.
@EdaFonzie: As (that's some) badhatharry said, it's not completely useless and is backwords compatible with previous mainstream wireless specs. It's just that I'm sure there are many other people in a similar position as myself that have a cell phone, game console, and old computer using the G spec, and a newer computer using N spec.
When anything other than N is connected to an N router, it physically slows down the entire wireless network to become backwords compatible making the N device not access at it's potential. Whether it actually matters or ones Internet connection is fast enough to utilize it is a different story, but it's why dual band routers exist if I wasn't clear on that before.
@madog: Yeah, since the tech specs on the site don't tout this as being dual-band I'm presuming it isn't. I've got the older WNDR3000 which is dual-band, but not gig-LAN. and DD-WRT works fantastic on it, if this one was dual band I would consider upgrading...
When working with a dual band router, you simply set one radio to be N only, and the other to be G/B or compatibility mode (depending on your software), DD-WRT sets them up as completely seperate APs with diff SSIDs and everything, you can even setup virtual APs based on one radio or the other with additional SSIDs for different auth protocols/DHCP servers/subnets/etc...
At this point I find N routers to be useless for many people. Anyone with multiple computers or other devices that use wifi but most likely still have B or G cards in them, like an iPhone or a Wii (or just about every phone and game system capable of wifi), wouldn't benefit to the fullest of the N spec. The fact that an N router will slow down the network if anything less than an N device is connected to it defeats the purpose in many scenarios (at least to my understanding).
If anyone is thinking about getting an N enabled router I would suggest getting a dual band router that can support both specs (G and N) individually and at their fullest speeds. At least until everything is N in the next couple years (when the next spec is being released), or unless you know all of your devices use it, or at the very least the B/G devices you own are not active at the same time as the others (and then when the speed is necessary).
This is kinda tasty. I think I want to setup a N network in my new house for gaming and streaming WMC. I don't know if I want to wait that long though. Anyone have a N router that they really like?
@Xeno: I really like the new Airport Extremes. I've had several N routers starting with the craptastic Linksys WRVS4400N (RMA'd a dozen times). I've also used the WRT600N and the Dlink DGL4500. They all had problems with dropping connections or just failing entirely after a couple of weeks or months. The Apple is by far the most consistent and reliable I've tried thus far... Simultaneous dual-band FTW!
@sirsycho: That's a possibility. I have had issues with that stupid application you have to run for configuring them in the past though. Why can't they be configured on a web page?
@Xeno: Netgear WNDR3000, near-current DD-WRT, rock solid, encrypted PPTP VPN, DynDNS, advanced routing is a snap, dual-band N|b/g, wake on lan deamon, QoS, fully functional (and correctly supported) uPnP.
Only drawback is no gig-LAN, and a giant blue LED array bubble that (unless they recently fixed it) you can't turn off when using DD-WRT...
Can't buy them retail anymore, but can prob find new ones on ebay hella cheap.
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Having an N router means you get to use all bands but can enjoy the latest spec if you have supported devices.
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When anything other than N is connected to an N router, it physically slows down the entire wireless network to become backwords compatible making the N device not access at it's potential. Whether it actually matters or ones Internet connection is fast enough to utilize it is a different story, but it's why dual band routers exist if I wasn't clear on that before.
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When working with a dual band router, you simply set one radio to be N only, and the other to be G/B or compatibility mode (depending on your software), DD-WRT sets them up as completely seperate APs with diff SSIDs and everything, you can even setup virtual APs based on one radio or the other with additional SSIDs for different auth protocols/DHCP servers/subnets/etc...
it is amazingly versatile.
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If anyone is thinking about getting an N enabled router I would suggest getting a dual band router that can support both specs (G and N) individually and at their fullest speeds. At least until everything is N in the next couple years (when the next spec is being released), or unless you know all of your devices use it, or at the very least the B/G devices you own are not active at the same time as the others (and then when the speed is necessary).
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Only drawback is no gig-LAN, and a giant blue LED array bubble that (unless they recently fixed it) you can't turn off when using DD-WRT...
Can't buy them retail anymore, but can prob find new ones on ebay hella cheap.
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Ludicrous speed?
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