Different from that which is implied or specified.
In other words, if the option you wish to select doesn't fall into the specific options that are given, then choosing "other" would be the correct action.
You need a 1" conduit to easily get a power cord through the pipe w/out screaming. At least for me, that was my option. Even though I live in a place (WV) that does not follow codes, I did mine to code.
It is my understanding that the code you are referring to are for lengths of 6 ft or longer in commercial properties. Interested in what provision 368.8 says.
How is running them inside the wall any different than having them hang down on the outside of the wall, or in a false column. I think the law is being mis-read. I believe it applies it extensions cords being unsed instead of actual wiring between boxes.
It does not seem like it would hold up in court, a short is a short and where the wire hangs, so long as it is not damaged, would not make a difference.
I have a friend who markets home-automation gear and he kept going on and on about how there needed to be either 12" or 18" (I forget which) of distance between the cords though the wall.
However, when he was doing home installs he always ran a separate power box up to just behind the TV via gangbox. You know, utterly anal person who insists on "doing it right" when it comes to wall mounting someone's 42" plasma.
@Six Demon Bag: Lite: If you use shielded wire it can cancel out most of not all noise from being near 120v wire. And it only matters in analog situations for the most part.
@Xeno: Analog/digital really has nothing to do with crosstalk. Talk to anyone who has ever dealt with signal degradation on large bundles of Ethernet cabling before.
While digital makes it less likely to be affected, it does not make it impervious. Even Monoprice specifies which cables are rated for in-wall use (which is partially for shielding and partially for fire code requirements) vs normal use.
But pretty much all HDMI cable is shielded in some manner. But improperly/poorly run power can have very nasty EMI leaks that cause all kinds of issues.
Not everyone lives in a brand new home that is completely up to spec.
@jswilson64: Actually, he's just a very much "Do it right" person. It doesn't matter about code. He cares not only about aesthetics, but safety and performance. It's just how he is. He likes to customize just about anything he can, but when he does it, he doesn't do it in a half-ass manner like so many people do.
@Geisrud: I'm no expert but I'd guess those cables don't count. Ethernet, for example, is the same cable whether it's on the floor or inside the wall. Power cables are a different beast.
@Log1c: You're right about signal cable. I'd never considered that.
"(A) Covered. This Code covers the installation of electrical conductors, equipment, and raceways; signaling and communications conductors, equipment, and raceways; and optical fiber cables and raceways for the following:"...and it goes on to list what kind of structures it applies to.
@yelraf: But it explicitly lists the cables it covers in Table 400.4. I'm no expert, but it looks like all power cables to me (or combination cables that include power). They're forward-thinking, at least: the table includes cable for charging electric vehicles!
@Wilson Rothman: Careful about that one. There is a reason why plenum rated cable exists...
In many places it is against fire code to run non-plenum rated Ethernet cable under a floor/through a wall that has electrical wiring and/or forced air.
This also includes any wiring run through drop ceilings, etc.
@joestoner: Actually it is not. Plenum-rated cable is not the same as non-plenum-rated cable.
Their sheathing is different (and their flexibility as well) due to fire reasons. From the toxic gasses they give off as they burn to how easily they resist burning.
@CSX321: "signaling and communications conductors" typically count as speaker wire, HDMI cabling, etc.
I've had a lightning strike hop from a power jack to switch to an Ethernet cable, to the hardware at the far end. The insulation for the cabling melted/burned off and/or left a small lump of conductor where it split in a couple of places.
@Andy Nguyen: Apparently you're ignorant as to why they did it and want to merely maintain the "Mysterious" nature because it sounds more like a conspiracy rather than a decision to support a business model they (GM) did not find profitable and the possible legal conditions created by leaving the vehicles on the road.
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Different from that which is implied or specified.
In other words, if the option you wish to select doesn't fall into the specific options that are given, then choosing "other" would be the correct action.
I hope I've been helpful.
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Hmph, wish I had known that at the time.
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It does not seem like it would hold up in court, a short is a short and where the wire hangs, so long as it is not damaged, would not make a difference.
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Besides the fire risk, you also have risk of drilling/nailing from behind and impacting the wire.
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I have a friend who markets home-automation gear and he kept going on and on about how there needed to be either 12" or 18" (I forget which) of distance between the cords though the wall.
However, when he was doing home installs he always ran a separate power box up to just behind the TV via gangbox. You know, utterly anal person who insists on "doing it right" when it comes to wall mounting someone's 42" plasma.
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While digital makes it less likely to be affected, it does not make it impervious. Even Monoprice specifies which cables are rated for in-wall use (which is partially for shielding and partially for fire code requirements) vs normal use.
But pretty much all HDMI cable is shielded in some manner. But improperly/poorly run power can have very nasty EMI leaks that cause all kinds of issues.
Not everyone lives in a brand new home that is completely up to spec.
@jswilson64: Actually, he's just a very much "Do it right" person. It doesn't matter about code. He cares not only about aesthetics, but safety and performance. It's just how he is. He likes to customize just about anything he can, but when he does it, he doesn't do it in a half-ass manner like so many people do.
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In spirit you might be only considering extension cords, but I think signal cable is lumped into the above category.
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"(A) Covered. This Code covers the installation of electrical conductors, equipment, and raceways; signaling and communications conductors, equipment, and raceways; and optical fiber cables and raceways for the following:"...and it goes on to list what kind of structures it applies to.
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In many places it is against fire code to run non-plenum rated Ethernet cable under a floor/through a wall that has electrical wiring and/or forced air.
This also includes any wiring run through drop ceilings, etc.
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Their sheathing is different (and their flexibility as well) due to fire reasons. From the toxic gasses they give off as they burn to how easily they resist burning.
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I've had a lightning strike hop from a power jack to switch to an Ethernet cable, to the hardware at the far end. The insulation for the cabling melted/burned off and/or left a small lump of conductor where it split in a couple of places.
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